Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - Part 23

[TheComicbookKid]

This is worth repeating:

"For Sue then, Trank also wanted to update her from the classic comics, adding: "There have always been two categories of Sue - the slu#ty secretary version, and this brilliant scientist version. This is a really, really smart Sue, and one that is dignified and has integrity."

In all the years I've been reading the book, 'slu#ty secretary' has never sprung to mind regarding Sue. No idea which books Trank's evidently been fapping' off too.

Ironically, "a really, really smart Sue, and one that is dignified and has integrity" is not a bad description for 616 Sue.

I think he's talking about the visuals.

Like when she had the 4 cut-out in her costume.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Doesn't read like hes talking about visuals. Reads a whole like he's talking about character. If it were visuals he'd have to mention costume changes. Not being brilliant as opposed to sl**ty

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Doesn't read like hes talking about visuals. Reads a whole like he's talking about character. If it were visuals he'd have to mention costume changes. Not being brilliant as opposed to sl**ty

****ty secretary is a term about sexualization trope i.e. smart and sexy.(but more just sexy)

I don't know for sure.

The same way people complained about how sexualized female characters are in promotional posters. It doesn't matter if Alba's Invisible Woman was smart, her character poster had her front zipper down on her costume.

Mara's costume is a turtleneck in all black.

 

[Flint Marko]

I think he's talking about the visuals.

Like when she had the 4 cut-out in her costume.

That was around for what, a year or two? Sue has pretty much never been portrayed as ****ty. It's clear he doesn't know what he's talking about.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

I think he's talking about the visuals.

Like when she had the 4 cut-out in her costume.

Doesn't read like hes talking about visuals. Reads a whole like he's talking about character. If it were visuals he'd have to mention costume changes. Not being brilliant as opposed to sl**ty

Yeah. I don't know how 'brilliant scientist' can be applied to clothing. When she was wearing the same uniform as Johnny (as she did most of the time) they were both visually brilliant scientists?

I think it's just a dumb statement no matter how you look at it. I think his point was, Sue was a prodigy in UFF an she wasn't in the other books. but to equate not being a prodigy to '****ty secretary' is ignorant at best and misogynistic at worst.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Yeah. I don't know how 'brilliant scientist' can be applied to clothing? When she was wearing the same uniform as Johnny (as she did most of the time) they were both visually brilliant scientists?

You don't remember the stuff about why are female superheroes always posed with their butts showing in posters while the male characters are just posing forward? Didn't matter what kind of strong female characters they were.

Trank is bad with interviews. That's obvious after a couple of interviews. That's probably why Kinberg is around.

 

[Tymminator]

Yeah. I don't know how 'brilliant scientist' can be applied to clothing. When she was wearing the same uniform as Johnny (as she did most of the time) they were both visually brilliant scientists?

I think it's just a dumb statement no matter how you look at it. I think his point was, Sue was a prodigy in UFF an she wasn't in the other books. but to equate not being a prodigy to '****ty secretary' is ignorant at best and misogynistic at worst.

 

[Flint Marko]

You don't remember the stuff about why are female superheroes always posed with their butts showing in posters while the male characters are just posing forward? Didn't matter what kind of strong female characters they were.

You're really reaching here. He's not talking about visuals, he's taking about how the character has been portrayed throughout the years, and he's dead wrong.

Trank is bad with interviews. That's obvious after a couple of interviews. That's probably why Kinberg is around.

Him being bad at interviews is a sign that he has a pretty bad handle on these characters.

 

[TheComicbookKid]

You're really reaching here. He's not talking about visuals, he's taking about how the character has been portrayed throughout the years, and he's dead wrong.

He's talking about over sexualization of female characters which is true. But Sue's not the best example of it.

Him being bad at interviews is a sign that he has a pretty bad handle on these characters.

That's reaching.

 

[wobbly]

I think he's talking about the visuals.

Like when she had the 4 cut-out in her costume.

Sue has worn a full body costume from the 60's through to the 90's, then the revealing kit for a relatively short spell in the 90's, and has been back in full costume since. In over 50 years of publishing, the 616 Sue has worn a full costume, actually less revealing than the one Mara is sporting (least her forearms were not bare...), for the vast majority of it.

So sorry, but no, he is not talking about visuals, he is talking about the character: "There have always been two categories of Sue, the slu#ty secretary version, and this brilliant scientist version."

He is talking 616 and UFF, simple as that, and getting the former so unbelievably wrong it's hilariously sad.

 

[Flint Marko]

He's talking about over sexualization of female characters which is true. But Sue's not the best example of it.

I'm going to post the quote again because I don't think you really read it:
"There have always been two categories of Sue - the slu#ty secretary version, and this brilliant scientist version. This is a really, really smart Sue, and one that is dignified and has integrity."
Tell me, does he sound like he's talking about over sexualization of female characters as a whole? Or is he saying that Sue has "always either been" a ****ty secretary or a brilliant scientist? What are his exact words?
You are trying to read into this and interpret it to defend him, and it isn't working. He thinks Sue has been a tramp or a genius, and he's dead wrong.

That's reaching.

Again, he thinks Sue has been portrayed as a skank throughout the comics. That shows a fundamental misunderstanding of the characters. How am I reaching, when you're the one saying he's making blanket statements about women in comics as a whole when he's blatantly only talking about Sue?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

You don't remember the stuff about why are female superheroes always posed with their butts showing in posters while the male characters are just posing forward? Didn't matter what kind of strong female characters they were.

Trank is bad with interviews. That's obvious after a couple of interviews. That's probably why Kinberg is around.

Some female comic book characters are certainly overly sexualized to the point it's comical. But I would think that if he understood the Fantastic Four and their history, he should say something like: "I like the fact that Sue has not typically been portrayed as the enormous-breasted, scantily-clad character that many females have been in comic books. She always had more going on than her looks."

 

[spideyboy_1111]

i think he's confused Ultimate sue with Ultimate sue... who's basically a skanky scientist.

 

[Dasher10]

It sounds like he's not a fan of Tom DeFalco's Sue or the various Sue cheating on Reed with Namor stories. Good taste.

 

[wobbly]

i think he's confused Ultimate sue with Ultimate sue... who's basically a skanky scientist.

Lol t:

 

[Whiskey Tango]

No it doesn't

Sure it does.

Right from the mouth of Trank in the Empire interview...



Un. Believable.

http://collider.com/fantastic-four-details-josh-trank/


Have fun!

Tranq just can't open his mouth without **** falling out. I can't think of another superhero movie where the director had such outright contempt for the source material and it's fans. He's not even bothering to hide it at this point.

 

[Paradox1]

I cant defend the remark on face value. However anything in print like that, which doesn't have the context attached always looks bad. I remember a time when reporters actually added context to the report.

 

[GoblinScrier]

Sure it does.





Tranq just can't open his mouth without **** falling out. I can't think of another superhero movie where the director had such outright contempt for the source material and it's fans. He's not even bothering to hide it at this point.

THIS STATEMENT...never have there been truer words...you know I don't even really bother coming on here to post much anymore...it just feels hollow...and empty...how any real F4 fan can support this nightmare is beyond me? Yet to see some of the "support" this thing gets boggles my mind? I am glad there are still an elite group of F4 fans who support the source material, the look, the feel, the accuracy etc, and the yearning of seeing this out of Fox's hands and back home once and for all in Marvel's hands...alas, that is just a dream....oh well...back to the drawing board....

 

[Zarex]

Sure it does.





Tranq just can't open his mouth without **** falling out. I can't think of another superhero movie where the director had such outright contempt for the source material and it's fans. He's not even bothering to hide it at this point.

Maybe that will be a tagline for an upcoming commercial or poster:

"If you hate the FF, you'll love Fant4astic!"

 

[TheComicbookKid]

Some female comic book characters are certainly overly sexualized to the point it's comical. But I would think that if he understood the Fantastic Four and their history, he should say something like: "I like the fact that Sue has not typically been portrayed as the enormous-breasted, scantily-clad character that many females have been in comic books. She always had more going on than her looks."

Nah. I was confused at first too cause I think Sue has always been written as
"the mother" figuratively and literally.

That's not at odds with a scientist.

The "s---y secretary" line is like a "hot librarian" trope. A demure, quiet person sexualized. That's how I figured he was speaking. But it's still not a good example cause the 90s Sue and Fox's Sue are the two most prominent examples and fans hated both of those.

Trank is just arrogant it seems. Trying to make is seem like he's doing Sue a favor when fans already said they like Sue with substance.

 

[Flint Marko]

I cant defend the remark on face value. However anything in print like that, which doesn't have the context attached always looks bad. I remember a time when reporters actually added context to the report.

What "context" could have been added to make that sound better?

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

THIS STATEMENT...never have there been truer words...you know I don't even really bother coming on here to post much anymore...it just feels hollow...and empty...how any real F4 fan can support this nightmare is beyond me? Yet to see some of the "support" this thing gets boggles my mind? I am glad there are still an elite group of F4 fans who support the source material, the look, the feel, the accuracy etc, and the yearning of seeing this out of Fox's hands and back home once and for all in Marvel's hands...alas, that is just a dream....oh well...back to the drawing board....

Of the old-timers who were around 10 years ago for the first two films, I can't name a single one who is supporting this film, but they can feel free to jump in and correct me if I'm wrong.

 

[CConn]

I was technically around 10 years ago (I didn't post much in the FF boards because, y'know, it was obvious those movies were going to suck pretty bad), and I support this film.

 

[Flint Marko]

Of the old-timers who were around 10 years ago for the first two films, I can't name a single one who is supporting this film, but they can feel free to jump in and correct me if I'm wrong.

From what I've seen most of the people defending this movie are X-men fans.

 

[Paradox1]

What "context" could have been added to make that sound better?

Your right context never changes anything (sarcasm).We should interpet everything printed exactly at face value.(sarcasm) See what I did there?

The ****ty secertary is a thing in books,movies and television. It's not an implication that she wears revealing clothes or talks like a sailor. It's an energy they bring to the scene that oozes sexuality. In recent memory Scarlet played upon that trope in Iron Man 2.