Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - Part 23

[2094]

The found footage elements to this movie could be a scene where Reed documents the four and they're new powers and could be showing off what they can do in the found footage perspective. Thats pretty much the only reasonable type of scene wouldn't you think?

Kind of like when Curt Connors in TASM during the sewer video scenes.

 

[TeeKay]

It will be interesting to see if this movie is rated R.

Because the Thing is not wearing any pants?

 

[Paradox1]

I don't think this movie will be any different. It's a talky movie i.e. character driven with CGI environments (negative zone) and characters getting to know their powers.

You won't be seeing things go boom boom in this movie. Even after shooting more action to make the existing set piece longer, I doubt it will still be enough.

Bottom line, the movie has nowhere the amount of big and spectacle heavy action set pieces comic book movies nowadays have. I can guarantee this will be the biggest issue for audience. It can get pretty boring if they have to sit for 1.5 hrs of talky stuff to get to the action.

That's why fox is nervous as hell. But then again rise of the planet of the apes was similar and that turned out fine. Only difference being it was a little over 100 minutes long. Maybe they should edit this down to a fast pace 100 minutes if the movie is too boring.

This movie isn't selling itself as the typical summer action popcorn flick. So any audience member who goes into it knows what to expect.

 

[RAE072]

This movie isn't selling itself as the typical summer action popcorn flick.

Oh man. PLEASE tell me it's selling itself as a "serious, intellectual, dark take on a sci-fi thriller."

PLEASE.

 

[2094]

Oh man. PLEASE tell me it's selling itself as a "serious, intellectual, dark take on a sci-fi thriller."

PLEASE.

Hey it's selling itself as a "serious, intellectual, dark take on a sci-fi thriller."

 

[Human Torch]

That does it. This film has to win best picture. Anything less and I consider it a failure.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Im honestly shocked naked thing doesnt attract more convo and distaste. I dont know who would want that

If I really spent time listing all the things I dislike about this, I'd never be able to leave my computer and I'd lose any sanity I have left.

I pretty much dislike everything I've seen and heard since the initial announcement of Trank as Dirctor (which I liked at the time).

I could probably list about 6 or 7 elements that I sort of like, but even the best elements have components that concern me - for example, the design of The Thing looks promising, but it also looks like they have diverged from his classic look (and of course the pants thing is a concern).

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah. To be safe(and because science fascination). Which is in character for Reed.

But now, we'll probably get disabilities/confined to government facility for an entire half/third of a movie!

Won't THAT be fun? Wheeeee!

You don't know that. i know what happened in the first film and that part was extremely boring.

We have been told, by multiple people involved with the film, that the film would be about these characters learning to deal with their powers. (we have also heard and seen evidence in the trailer that the government would be interested in using them as weapons).

Yes. The time spent dealing with their powers was boring in the first film and I fully expect it to be boring in this film and that's a major problem I have with this production.

Anybody who doesn't want to see a large amount of this film dedicated to the characters dealing with their 'condition' is very likely to be disappointed by this movie based on what we are being told.

If that element is really dispatched in the first half-hour and the rest of the film is a Fantastic Four film, there could be hope. But I have almost zero expectation of that.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

I get the feeling this version of the thing will some how build up rocks on his body like an armor instead of just changing. And maybe by the end of the film he'll be "stuck" in that form.

 

[TeeKay]

Wasn't there a rumour that Ben can transform in and out of the thing?

 

[Orba]

Wasn't there a rumour that Ben can transform in and out of the thing?

Yeah there was a rumour that he can would only change form when in danger or something like that, but that after the final fight he would be stuck in Thing form.

 

[Farren]

Was that the same rumor that said Ben was weak and scrawny? Because Jamie looks pretty buff in the trailer. I'm leaning towards thinking that rumor isn't true.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Was that the same rumor that said Ben was weak and scrawny? Because Jamie looks pretty buff in the trailer. I'm leaning towards thinking that rumor isn't true.

Here's where the rumor came from. I don't see anything about Ben being Scrawny in it. I do see a few things that don't quite seem to fit the trailer (the synopsis came out long before the trailer), but I also see some similarities:

Reed is a genius convenience store clerk with Ben. Reed's parents don't care about him, and Ben's dad is abusive. They're good friends and have each other's backs. Reed writes a paper for community college on teleportation that attracts the attention of Dr. Franklin Storm, CEO of the Baxter Building research center.

Storm has a son, Johnny, and an adoptive daughter, Sue, whose father, Storm's old partner, died in an experiment gone wrong. Johnny and Sue are party kids, and Sue is particularly disdainful of science. Reed and Sue don't get along at first.

Victor Doomashev is a anti-social Eastern European computer programmer and hacktivist who calls himself "Doom". He hates the 1%, particularly Storm, whom he claims corrupts science for profit.

Storm uses Reed's paper to complete some equations on a machine to access another dimension, the N-Zone. Reed invites Ben to watch the machine being turned on. Sue and Johnny are also there. Doom manages to hack into the Baxter Building's servers and use a computer virus to damage the machine, which explodes. Reed, Sue, Johnny and Ben are exposed to otherwordly energy and become mutants with powers that they can't control.

Storm takes them to the Baxter Building and creates containment suits for their powers. They begin to train. Reed and Storm also begin developing a way to revert the accident. Sue blames Reed for everything, but they eventually become friends and then a couple. Ben can switch off his powers when he's not in danger. Johnny changes colors based on heat intensity, and Sue has some borderline telekinetic thing. Reed is pretty much Reed.

Doom finds out that the four have acquired powers and becomes angry it's not him, so he comes up with a plan to break into the Baxter Building to access the N-Zone through the rebuild machine. As a distraction, he reprograms a bunch of stolen military drones, the "Doombots", to attack the building. The four come together as a team for the first time and save people.

Doom activates the machine and gets technopathy powers or something, basically energy blasts and making machines obey to him, and a fight ensues. The machine goes critical, and, in order to prevent it from exploding and destroying the city, the four push into it and Storm shuts it off.

There's a countdown before it reaches critical mass. Inside the N-Zone, the four battle Doom again, and manage to leave him trapped there after he disfigures himself soaking up too much power. The Four manage to escape, but Ben gets the blunt of it to protect Reed and can't switch back.

The machine is destroyed, Doom is gone, the four have learned to work as a team, and Reed vows to find a cure for Ben. And it ends there.

 

[fantasticfan]

Was that the same rumor that said Ben was weak and scrawny? Because Jamie looks pretty buff in the trailer. I'm leaning towards thinking that rumor isn't true.

I think that rumor came from the since debunked "leaked script" description and then repeated to further the notion that he would go back and forth to save on CGI costs.

 

[wobbly]

Going by the cocoon business (yeah, that's right out of the comics...) I doubt Ben will be changing back & forth. Wouldn't fit in with the 'grounded' 'realistic' themes to have someone gain and lose 100's of lbs of solid mass in mere seconds, etc.

I figure Ben might come back from the trip looking bad (but still human) but soon transforms into the cocoon (think of 'The Fly 2') then emerges as the Thing.

 

[Zarex]

Was that the same rumor that said Ben was weak and scrawny? Because Jamie looks pretty buff in the trailer. I'm leaning towards thinking that rumor isn't true.

Jamie is in decent shape, but he is much smaller than Ben has ever been depicted before in print, animation or live action. Ben has always been a muscular former street tough and football player. Bell couldn't bulk up enough to fit that desciption, hence the change to spray-hitting second baseman.

 

[Joe Rockhead]

Jamie is in decent shape, but he is much smaller than Ben has ever been depicted before in print, animation or live action. Ben has always been a muscular former street tough and football player. Bell couldn't bulk up enough to fit that desciption, hence the change to spray-hitting second baseman.

For his size, the best they could have done to make him the street tough that Ben is in the comics would have been to make him either a boxer or UFC fighter. They'd just need to break his nose a couple of times.

 

[Dark Raven]

Because the Thing is not wearing any pants?

That could pose problems for Sue if she accidentally excites Ben. She would be caught between a rock and a hard place.

Jamie is in decent shape, but he is much smaller than Ben has ever been depicted before in print, animation or live action. Ben has always been a muscular former street tough and football player. Bell couldn't bulk up enough to fit that desciption, hence the change to spray-hitting second baseman.

In the next reboot, if they go even smaller because now they think Ben is just a lean little guy, he'll probably end up as a yoga instructor.

 

[Paradox1]

Oh man. PLEASE tell me it's selling itself as a "serious, intellectual, dark take on a sci-fi thriller."

PLEASE.

From your mouth to God's ear.

 

[Tony Stark]

Wasn't there a rumour that Ben can transform in and out of the thing?

Yes, and I think this is going to be true, because they wanted to save on FX money. Only have Ben in Thing form for the fight scenes. This is why he really won't be "naked". I think that Ben's power will be forming a rock shield over his body.

Yes, lame and stupid, but look at who we're dealing with at Fox.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Batan Returns - to this day - is still the best Batman movie ever made

I concur. It's the most fun, yet still dark, twisted, and just as serious as it is comic booky. brilliant film

 

[spideyboy_1111]

It will be interesting to see if this movie is rated R.

it wont be.. its not like it shows his stone and pebbles...

 

[spideyboy_1111]

If I really spent time listing all the things I dislike about this, I'd never be able to leave my computer and I'd lose any sanity I have left.

I pretty much dislike everything I've seen and heard since the initial announcement of Trank as Dirctor (which I liked at the time).

I could probably list about 6 or 7 elements that I sort of like, but even the best elements have components that concern me - for example, the design of The Thing looks promising, but it also looks like they have diverged from his classic look (and of course the pants thing is a concern).

im just kinda shocked it hasn't sparked more outrage.. like the once rumored "naked hulk" did

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Was that the same rumor that said Ben was weak and scrawny? Because Jamie looks pretty buff in the trailer. I'm leaning towards thinking that rumor isn't true.

people confuse "buff and scrawny" all the time.. you can be ripped and still have a thin frame... he's not a husky linebacker build that Ben Grim is, plain and simple

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

im just kinda shocked it hasn't sparked more outrage.. like the once rumored "naked hulk" did

I think it's a simple matter of priorities.

We just saw a Fantastic Four trailer with no Fantastic Four. That along with the low budget, rumors of production problems, inappropriate cast, awful costumes etc. etc. etc. all make Ben's bare a$$ seem sort of trivial in comparison.

Also, I doubt anyone would defend a bare-assed Thing, so it's not going to lead to a lot of discussion and debate.

It's simply one more bad idea in a film so full of bad ideas that it gets lost in the mess.