Fant4stic: Reborn! - Part 35

[Casius--J]

I fear that this will be our only FF film iteration for a long time! If it does well then it will get the sequel and continue with Fox. If it bombs then I don't see Fox or Marvel wanting to go anywhere near the property for many years to come!

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

At the risk of sounding maudlin.....when do you think there will be the next reboot....10 - 20 years.....I'm 58....I don't want to wait too much longer to see a decent filming of the comic.

I see this as a killing blow. Fox did not do right by the FF. They altered everything because they never trusted the source material and they have no idea how to bring an authentic Fantastic Four film to life. If this film is as bad as it looks, then the FF will not exist as a team for some time. If by some miracle Marvel ever got the rights back they would need to give the characters a rest for a while in order to wash the bad taste of 3 consecutive Fox failures away.

That's what I think anyway. It's such a shame. And to think Fox was mere months away from losing these rights. At least Daredevil came home thank goodness. And we see how that turned out.

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

International trailer is a little different:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Qc6EYDZovPQ

Thank you! Some cool new shots t:

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

Oh my god. How do you get something as simple as the thing's voice wrong? It looks so out of place to hear Jamie Bell's normal voice coming out of a huge rock monster. Honestly, Jamie should've been Reed, Miles should've been Johnny and Michael should've been Ben. As for Toby Kebbel, talk about a waste of talent. He actually could've given a good performance but obviously the mediocre writing on this won't allow him too. Not looking forward to this at all :/

 

[Dasher10]

I fear that this will be our only FF film iteration for a long time! If it does well then it will get the sequel and continue with Fox. If it bombs then I don't see Fox or Marvel wanting to go anywhere near the property for many years to come!

Yep and the people who are against this film have already made up their minds. Honestly, if it's a good film and everyone hates it because they already decided to and it tanks, it'll be a shame but based on how much vitriol was shown to the last two trailers (despite not much being wrong with them) it's a given that this film will bomb regardless of quality.

 

[Eddie]

I really don't think we'd wait that long for Marvel to use these characters if the rights reverted. They've utilized every single franchise that had a previous film except for Blade and Ghost Rider. The Daredevil reboot was tentatively planned before the rights reverted they had Charlie Cox in mind a few years back, apparently), they started developing Punisher shortly after he reverted, and they're actually using him now, Howard the Duck popped up in a cameo, and Man-Thing, of all properties, had a character used in Iron Man 3 (Brandt) with an actual Man-Thing name drop in AoS. As for Blade and Ghost Rider, I know for sure Blade has been considered (at one time a reboot scrip went through the same program that gave Marvel the initial scripts for Guardians of the Galaxy and a couple others) while Ghost Rider's reversion isn'tthat old.

I could see them doing the Surfer first, though.

EDIT: And let's not forget Hulk, Cap, or Fury, either. Much of their work has been redoing other screwups.

 

[Son of Coul]

I liked the opening with kid Reed and Homer Simpson, gave off a kid's explorer movie type of vibe. But the rest very quickly became a generic mish mash of all we've seen before plus some action reshoot shots added to make it even more by-the-numbers.

Even though I really dislike the idea of a Cronenberg-style F4 movie at this point in time and by all accounts (like Vaughn) it wasn't going to be a good one, it would've at least been interesting to look at how someone who doesn't seem to grasp the material takes a crack at it as an outlet for his own genre preferences. Now it's looking to be a watered down version of it with retreaded blockbuster stamps mixed in to give us something more bland in the middle.

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I really don't think we'd wait that long for Marvel to use these characters if the rights reverted. They've utilized every single franchise that had a previous film except for Blade and Ghost Rider. The Daredevil reboot was tentatively planned before the rights reverted they had Charlie Cox in mind a few years back, apparently), they started developing Punisher shortly after he reverted, and they're actually using him now, Howard the Duck popped up in a cameo, and Man-Thing, of all properties, had a character used in Iron Man 3 (Brandt) with an actual Man-Thing name drop in AoS. As for Blade and Ghost Rider, I know for sure Blade has been considered (at one time a reboot scrip went through the same program that gave Marvel the initial scripts for Guardians of the Galaxy and a couple others) while Ghost Rider's reversion isn'tthat old.

I could see them doing the Surfer first, though.

EDIT: And let's not forget Hulk, Cap, or Fury, either. Much of their work has been redoing other screwups.

Yeah and spidey had three meh movies in a row and he's already in the game. It makes sense of course because he's the poster boy of Marvel, but it's still a similar situation. They could probably stick the Four in Infinity War if they really wanted to. And then give em their own flick in phase 4.

 

[C. Lee]

This movie may wind up being a decent gritty dark science fiction film. I have said that before, I say it again.

But.....I was wanting a decent Fantastic Four movie.

Have I already made up my mind....yes, I have made up my mind that I will not give them once cent of my money for taking away my chance to see a decent big budget Fantastic Four movie. After seeing and hearing what they are trying to pass off as a Fantastic Four movie....I will not go see it. Some have responded in the past to this with - You may be missing out on a good movie. - My response again to that is....that is my choice. I choose what movies I pay to see. I make these choices by watching the trailers and reading about them. I do this everyday for hundreds of movies. If I do not like what I have seen or read about a movie....I choose not to see it. I do not like what I have read or seen about this dark gritty science fiction that is trying to pass it off as a Fantastic Four movie. So I choose not to see it.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

Oh my god. How do you get something as simple as the thing's voice wrong? It looks so out of place to hear Jamie Bell's normal voice coming out of a huge rock monster. Honestly, Jamie should've been Reed, Miles should've been Johnny and Michael should've been Ben. As for Toby Kebbel, talk about a waste of talent. He actually could've given a good performance but obviously the mediocre writing on this won't allow him too. Not looking forward to this at all :/

I like the change of style for the Golem's voice this time.

 

[Lencho01]

There was alot of controversy because he wasn't in full armor, just a mask and wearing a suit with a hooded trench coat.

Oh, I see.

 

[Eddie]

The only reason I didn't mention Spidey was that I tried to keep it strictly to reversions. That one's a special case. That said, if Fox wants to fund and distribute a Marvel produced reboot (ala Spidey) that could work, too.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Yep and the people who are against this film have already made up their minds. Honestly, if it's a good film and everyone hates it because they already decided to and it tanks, it'll be a shame but based on how much vitriol was shown to the last two trailers (despite not much being wrong with them) it's a given that this film will bomb regardless of quality.

Indeed.

This will be a good test to see if the fanboy community can turn GA away from a movie.

Yeah and spidey had three meh movies in a row and he's already in the game.

Spidey is Marvels king though. A better comparison is Ghost Rider which had two poorly recieved movies in a row and hasn't been retried by Marvel

 

[ThePhantasm]

Indeed.

This will be a good test to see if the fanboy community can turn GA away from a movie.

hahaha don't even try to blame the failure of this movie on the fans

if it bombs it will be because of bad reviews, abysmal marketing, and poor directing

 

[Loden Greatstorm]

This movie may wind up being a decent gritty dark science fiction film. I have said that before, I say it again.

But.....I was wanting a decent Fantastic Four movie.

Have I already made up my mind....yes, I have made up my mind that I will not give them once cent of my money for taking away my chance to see a decent big budget Fantastic Four movie. After seeing and hearing what they are trying to pass off as a Fantastic Four movie....I will not go see it. Some have responded in the past to this with - You may be missing out on a good movie. - My response again to that is....that is my choice. I choose what movies I pay to see. I make these choices by watching the trailers and reading about them. I do this everyday for hundreds of movies. If I do not like what I have seen or read about a movie....I choose not to see it. I do not like what I have read or seen about this dark gritty science fiction that is trying to pass it off as a Fantastic Four movie. So I choose not to see it.

Mr. Lee, what would you like to see in a Fantastic Four movie?

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I do too and that's why I really don't want this film to be bad. I remember discussion on the site we can't mention by name here, that commenters would trash DOFP at every mention it got prior to release with people demanding that the rights revert back to Marvel. Bryan Singer also had a rape lawsuit (since dismissed) to contend with before release. Then the film came out and everyone loved what they saw. There was also a lack of marketing and trailers which failed to show off powers or the Sentinels to say nothing of how bad Quicksilver's outfit looked (and still looks).

So far it seems like Fox has made all the same mistakes with allegations about the director, a lack of marketing and horrible costuming decisions.

And First Class was really just a rights grab. End of the day, it was made so Fox could hold on to the X-Men film rights. It also had extensive reshoots during post-production, the director was involved in a sex scandal involving one of the film's stars and this was when Marvel started their merchandise freeze. Plus the title was renamed from, "X-Men Origins: Magneto" to avoid association with the first Wolverine film. That and Havok being made the Older Summers brother and Banshee being turned American rubbed fans the wrong way.

And they all turned out okay, great even. There's tons of movies with troublesome productions that turned out great.

The Four will be home by then, so yeah, they will.

Marvel sold them & Fox paid for them so they are home.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I really don't think we'd wait that long for Marvel to use these characters if the rights reverted. They've utilized every single franchise that had a previous film except for Blade and Ghost Rider. The Daredevil reboot was tentatively planned before the rights reverted they had Charlie Cox in mind a few years back, apparently), they started developing Punisher shortly after he reverted, and they're actually using him now, Howard the Duck popped up in a cameo, and Man-Thing, of all properties, had a character used in Iron Man 3 (Brandt) with an actual Man-Thing name drop in AoS. As for Blade and Ghost Rider, I know for sure Blade has been considered (at one time a reboot scrip went through the same program that gave Marvel the initial scripts for Guardians of the Galaxy and a couple others) while Ghost Rider's reversion isn'tthat old.

I could see them doing the Surfer first, though.

EDIT: And let's not forget Hulk, Cap, or Fury, either. Much of their work has been redoing other screwups.

if marvel has any chance or way to speed up the process.... Phase 4 would be perfect for the fantastic four... Spidey with the 4... inhumans, panther, namor... and the coming of galactus

 

[Eddie]

Technically Marvel is still their "home", though, even on film. Fox has a license. The ultimate rights holder is Marvel.

 

[marvelmadness13]

All I'm saying is that if Fox immediately returns or sells back the rights when this bombs I hope they can work Galactus and the Surfer into Infinity War.

Maybe even drop a line hinting at them in Guardians 2.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Looks like Josh Trank gained some major weight in recent months. Probably from all the stress.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

And they all turned out okay, great even. There's tons of movies with troublesome productions that turned out great.



Marvel sold them & Fox paid for them so they are home.

1) actually no... the amount of films with troubled productions (of this magnitude) that turn out good, are few and far between... its not unheard of.. but a rarity. there's far more films that turn out bad with troubled productions than good.

2) "Marvel sold them & Fox paid for them so they are home" ummmm last i checked the F4 rights are at Marvel.. the movie rights ( a small portion of their rights in comparison) are at FOX... just because you temporarily buy something.. doesn't mean it's "home"

 

[justanotherguy]

Spidey is Marvels king though. A better comparison is Ghost Rider which had two poorly recieved movies in a row and hasn't been retried by Marvel

and here in lies the train of thought.

Fantastic Four fans, believe in the property. To compare it to Ghost Rider is insulting.

Fox/Xmen guys believe that this is some sort of niche property compared to X-Men.

It's not. It's a comparable IP when properly handled.

Fantastic Four in the right setting could carry an entire cinematic universe.

At Fox, it will never be in position to do so. They will use them as supporting characters to the X-franchise if given the chance.

 

[Destructus86]

wow how do they manage to make Domashev look WORSE with each passing reveal instead of better?

That looks....just horrible. What were they thinking? He doesn't look threatening at all.

 

[Sullstar]

All I'm saying is that if Fox immediately returns or sells back the rights when this bombs I hope they can work Galactus and the Surfer into Infinity War.

Maybe even drop a line hinting at them in Guardians 2.

Marvel actually offered Fox an extension on Daredevil for Surfer and Galactus, maybe they were in original Infinity War plans before everything meshed out.

Fox/Xmen guys believe that this is some sort of niche property compared to X-Men.

It's not. It's a comparable IP when properly handled.

Disagree, X-Universe has so many characters and X-Men comics/spinoffs and cartoons dominated much of the 90s, sometimes they had 8 or 9 of the top 10 titles in monthly sales. Not many people I knew liked FF that much, but I might just be the wrong generation for it. However back then you wouldn't have imagine Avengers was a comparable, if not more popular IP

 

[Dasher10]

hahaha don't even try to blame the failure of this movie on the fans

if it bombs it will be because of bad reviews, abysmal marketing, and poor directing

Yeah, the marketing was terrible. Fox needs to correct that. I didn't hate the most recent trailers. I kept rewatching them to see why they were so detestable and realized that it wasn't the footage contained within, it's the fact that they had some really choppy audio editing, which is once again, on Fox's marketing department who spliced the audio in the most awkward way possible which is really, really jarring.

Let's look at what makes a, "bad movie."

1. Poor Acting - Hamming it up when you should be playing it straight or playing a role so straight that you don't show any emotion are the two best ways to ruin a film. Chewing the scenery in a somber gangster film or acting like you're bored out of your mind in a horror film will ensure that your audience will hate you.

2. Misplaced Humor - Camp only works with low budget films which can't afford decent CGI. Oftentimes, if your jokes fall flat and aren't funny, you wind up with a film that's cheesy rather than funny. If you have the budget to offer suspension of disbelief, then the worst thing you can do is crack unfunny jokes on camera. It's charming when the filmmakers didn't have a budget but if they do, then those scenes should have been left on the cutting room floor.

3. Poor Lighting - When you can't see what's happening on set or you see bugs flying in front of the camera because you shot the film at night, then yeah, your film is awful.

4. Poor Writing - When your villain does nothing detestable, the plot contradicts itself or a cast with no romantic subtext decide to hook up, that's when you have a plot hole. You need to give the audience a reason to hate the antagonist and root for the protagonist, have your fictional universe abide by certain rules and can't force a romance subplot. Otherwise, the audience are left wondering what they just saw.

5. Slow Pacing - When nothing happens over the course of the film. You don't even know what you just saw, nothing was memorable or you were just bored out of your mind.

Allegedly, 5 could very well happen but so far the only bad humor was forcing Kate Mara's smile in the trailers and showing off some awful sound and video editing. Both of which are on marketing rather than production. The cast is made up of good actors while the lighting is perfectly watchable (although the latter is just serviceable and nothing to write home about). The costumes are ugly but they don't make or break a film. It really depends on the length of the soundtrack to determine if the first half of the film will really just be a whole lot of nothing or if there will be enough character development that it doens't drag. Maybe even the Negative Zone will be introduced earlier than we think it will.