Fant4stic: Reborn! - Part 35

[spideyboy_1111]

Off-topic, but does anyone else think a Doom solo could work?

I do actually.. or a film from his perspective.. go back a page or 2 there's a concept i had for Marvel should they get the rights back. it kinda sounds like it could be dooms perspective.

 

[Dasher10]

I don't think the Daredevil deal is why Fox and Marvel have a poor relationship, particularly considering how DD launched Marvel's street-level universe. It's probably more around merchandising and Fox not wanting to join the MCU.

Keep in mind that I'm not totally willing to write off FF. Ant-Man had even more dramatic changes to the source material along with a concept I considered to be an even harder sell to audiences yet I actually want to see it since it got critical acclaim.

Plus, it'll be harder for Marvel and Fox to merge universes if FF flops. I'd like to see FF turn out well and make a profit just since it would actually help Fox and Marvel work out a deal. In a perfect world, Fox would get to keep their continuity and the X-Men from both the past (Cyclops, Storm, Magneto, Psylocke, Phoenix, Xavier, Beast, Nightcrawler and Archangel) and the present (Wolverine, Deadpool, Colossus, Rogue, Iceman, Shadowcat and Gambit) would enter the MCU. Spider-Man is getting a second reboot within a decade in 2017, I don't want to see more reboots in the MCU. I'd rather see this be the FF we're stuck with and have continuity move forward rather than start from scratch all over again.

As long as these films don't turn out like The Amazing Spider-Man films which just retread the ground from the Raimi series and made Peter too much of a jerk to be likable, I'm sure there will be sequel potential.

 

[2094]

Just watched the new trailer and found it very underwhelming. Everything is green now and it distracted me the entire time and took me out of it and also the new shot of Doom looks like the leaked photo we saw of him with his arm positioned like that and that also took me out of it. I like Kebbels voice though and I also think this will be mediocre at the very best but this will surely flop like Magikarp.

 

[marvelmadness13]

o please do tell!

Of course this is the same guy who called all detractors and even a talented Marvel artist racist and said he needed a challenge and knew people would criticize him.

 

[Spider-Aziz]

I don't think spideyboy_1111 meant that literally.

 

[Eddie]

Dasher10, have you seen the stuff Marvel has done since this reboot became a thing? They literally updated a Spider-Man game to remove the "4" from Bombastic Bagman's costume. If this film does well it's just going to get worse. If you want to see a peace treaty, don't see this film.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Of course this is the same guy who called all detractors and even a talented Marvel artist racist and said he needed a challenge and knew people would criticize him.

someone is definitely having a hissy fit... and a pompous one at that... oh.. boo hoo trank you made 1 film that surprised people.. and got laid off others..

 

[spideyboy_1111]

I don't think the Daredevil deal is why Fox and Marvel have a poor relationship, particularly considering how DD launched Marvel's street-level universe. It's probably more around merchandising and Fox not wanting to join the MCU.

Keep in mind that I'm not totally willing to write off FF. Ant-Man had even more dramatic changes to the source material along with a concept I considered to be an even harder sell to audiences yet I actually want to see it since it got critical acclaim.

Plus, it'll be harder for Marvel and Fox to merge universes if FF flops. I'd like to see FF turn out well and make a profit just since it would actually help Fox and Marvel work out a deal. In a perfect world, Fox would get to keep their continuity and the X-Men from both the past (Cyclops, Storm, Magneto, Psylocke, Phoenix, Xavier, Beast, Nightcrawler and Archangel) and the present (Wolverine, Deadpool, Colossus, Rogue, Iceman, Shadowcat and Gambit) would enter the MCU. Spider-Man is getting a second reboot within a decade in 2017, I don't want to see more reboots in the MCU. I'd rather see this be the FF we're stuck with and have continuity move forward rather than start from scratch all over again.

As long as these films don't turn out like The Amazing Spider-Man films which just retread the ground from the Raimi series and made Peter too much of a jerk to be likable, I'm sure there will be sequel potential.

the Marvel universe doesn't need the X-men...and the X-men don't need the Marvel universe (or the fantastic four)..... the Fantastic Four however DO imo need the Marvel Universe in order to tell their best stories...

 

[Sullstar]

TIL one frustrated tweet and an almost sarcastic follow up is a meltdown

Especially considering the meltdowns he has actually had

 

[spideyboy_1111]

TIL one frustrated tweet and an almost sarcastic follow up is a meltdown

Especially considering the meltdowns he has actually had

... id consider it a snottysarcastic tweet... it's not positive sarcasm

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Josh Trank being an unprofessional jackass? What a surprise.

 

[Rowsdower!]

So, has anyone eaten a THING BURGER yet?

 

[terry78]

I really don't know if I should.

 

[Eddie]

The last time I went to Denny's was in the previous decade, and I got sick. I don't like hashbrowns, anyway. No slurping down that Thing sauce for me.

 

[Quasar]

Of course this is the same guy who called all detractors and even a talented Marvel artist racist and said he needed a challenge and knew people would criticize him.

Quasar's list of Accomplishments:

Accomplishment #1: Didn't ruin a franchise

 

[Dasher10]

Speaking of Twitter, I was expecting viscous attacks on the cast, only to find people supportive of them who liked the trailer. I feel like there's a bit of an echo chamber here which looks to spin everything in a negative direction, regardless of what it is. I'll say that certain reactions to the trailer from Comic-Con made this sound like we were getting a final trailer which looked like Green Lantern or Catwoman but (terrible audio editing aside) it was serviceable and actually showed off more of Thing and Doom which I wanted to see for quite a while. That and Doom looked a lot better this time around since we can see that his suit has melted on to him. He didn't look like classic Doom but he actually looked intimidating. Thing looked better in motion but really needed some pants. Human Torch looks good when his powers are on so I don't have to look at his costume. Invisible Woman and Mister Fantastic still look terrible but I've gotten over it.

Still, you can tell that the dialog was awkwardly pieced together word by word in really awkward ways. I'm surprised that Fox gave this trailer the go-ahead.

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

Quasar's list of Accomplishments:

Accomplishment #1: Didn't ruin a franchise

 

[marvelmadness13]

So, has anyone eaten a THING BURGER yet?

Denny's isn't a restaurant, it's the butt of a joke.

Even if that weren't the case I'm uncomfortable with the idea of thing sauce anywhere near me.

 

[Eddie]

From now on, every time I insult Josh Trank I'll list a personal accomplishment.

Josh Trank is a moron.

Personal accomplishment: I've successfully prevented my pets from causing thousands in damages.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

Spoiler

Don't care for the achievements part but i too wonder why people spend much of their time attacking strangers over the Internet, in general. Cyber bullying, bodyshaming, racism ect... Often those doing these would never in real life. There was a news story of an old grandmother who would go on Twitter to bully a celebrity by saying its a good thing this celebrities child had died and other horrible stuff.

Speaking of Twitter, I was expecting viscous attacks on the cast, only to find people supportive of them who liked the trailer. I feel like there's a bit of an echo chamber here which looks to spin everything in a negative direction, regardless of what it is.

General attitude toward this isn't nearly as doom & gloom as people want to believe. There is support for the movie out there. I've seen a few fan accounts on Instagram.

That being said yes it doesn't have the level of support of other CBMs

 

[Dasher10]

Dasher10, have you seen the stuff Marvel has done since this reboot became a thing? They literally updated a Spider-Man game to remove the "4" from Bombastic Bagman's costume. If this film does well it's just going to get worse. If you want to see a peace treaty, don't see this film.

You're giving in to the wishes of a large corporation simply because they're willing to harm their own properties? That's cowardice. I'm not willing to cave to pressure over Marvel's bad behavior since if Marvel got the FF rights back, they'd easily cancel all the X-Men comics. Fox gave Daredevil back and they canceled FF. Do you really think they won't go even harder on the X-Men if they get the FF back?

I'd rather see this film do well since it'll send a message to Marvel to not disrespect their fans, uncancel the FF and feature Fox-owned characters in animation and video games. Boycotting the film just because Marvel is throwing a temper tantrum sends the message that that type of bad behavior works.

 

[TeeKay]

Don't care for the achievements part but i too wonder why people spend much of their time attacking strangers over the Internet. Cyber bullying, bodyshaming, racism ect... Often those doing these would never in real life. There was a news story of an old grandmother who would go on Twitter to bully a celebrity by saying its a good thing this celebrities child had died and other horrible stuff.

He's mistaking attacks with opinions. When he said he made every single decision on this film knowing that people would question it, why is he surprised by the reaction? He should cope on or gtfoh.

 

[Paradox1]

Don't care for the achievements part but i too wonder why people spend much of their time attacking strangers over the Internet. Cyber bullying, bodyshaming, racism ect... Often those doing these would never in real life. There was a news story of an old grandmother who would go on Twitter to bully a celebrity by saying its a good thing this celebrities child had died and other horrible stuff.

That is disgusting,but you should see Jimmy Kimmel's segment mean tweets. They should have one just on the cast of superhero movies. It would be so glorious to see.

 

[Kelly]

Don't care for the achievements part but i too wonder why people spend much of their time attacking strangers over the Internet. Cyber bullying, bodyshaming, racism ect... Often those doing these would never in real life. There was a news story of an old grandmother who would go on Twitter to bully a celebrity by saying its a good thing this celebrities child had died and other horrible stuff.

I think you really need to differentiate between an attack, and an opinion. Much of what I've read on twitter and here is simply long time fans who are not happy with what they see and feel as far as this particular project is concerned. Then intermingled within that group, are a few that are simply posting to attack. It seems that all of those are lumped together and THAT is where the problem lies. If he showed even a little bit of respect to those long time fans who simply disagree with his vision, I think that would have gone a long way in the beginning...but he didn't, he immediately used a machine gun attack method, and is still doing that rather than, realizing that those fans have a right to their opinion, as much as he has a right to his vision.

As far as the rest of your post, those people thrive on the internet along with Misogyny because people click those pics, they click that tweet, they click that video, they buy that magazine...if there was not a demand for that kind of stuff, then there would not be a supply of it on the internet, and then throw in anonymity and you have a toxic potion.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

You're giving in to the wishes of a large corporation simply because they're willing to harm their own properties? That's cowardice. I'm not willing to cave to pressure over Marvel's bad behavior since if Marvel got the FF rights back, they'd easily cancel all the X-Men comics. Fox gave Daredevil back and they canceled FF. Do you really think they won't go even harder on the X-Men if they get the FF back?

I'd rather see this film do well since it'll send a message to Marvel to not disrespect their fans, uncancel the FF and feature Fox-owned characters in animation and video games. Boycotting the film just because Marvel is throwing a temper tantrum sends the message that that type of bad behavior works.

Bingo.

Marvel messing about with their own comic properties and merchandise is Marvels doing not Fox.