Fant4stic: Reborn! - Part 35

[RAE072]

Why do you think the Fantastic Four movies are so obsessed with the idea of Doom getting powers from the same accent that the Four get their powers. Is that just something that has to happen?

They're too lazy to try to work his actual origin and character into the film?

Or they think their ideas are better. Or a combo of the two.

I mean, Kinberg basically said that about what they did to Ben. They liked their idea better.

 

[Docker2.0]

This movie may wind up being a decent gritty dark science fiction film. I have said that before, I say it again.

But.....I was wanting a decent Fantastic Four movie.

Have I already made up my mind....yes, I have made up my mind that I will not give them once cent of my money for taking away my chance to see a decent big budget Fantastic Four movie. After seeing and hearing what they are trying to pass off as a Fantastic Four movie....I will not go see it. Some have responded in the past to this with - You may be missing out on a good movie. - My response again to that is....that is my choice. I choose what movies I pay to see. I make these choices by watching the trailers and reading about them. I do this everyday for hundreds of movies. If I do not like what I have seen or read about a movie....I choose not to see it. I do not like what I have read or seen about this dark gritty science fiction that is trying to pass it off as a Fantastic Four movie. So I choose not to see it.

Could not have said it better!

I watched the trailer. As I did so, I couldn't help but think to myself "I can't believe this is happening."

What the hell did they do to Doom's face? I mean....what is that?

After watching that, I feel even more resolved to skip this thing in theaters. I am not going to encourage FOX to continue spewing out s*** like this with my hard-earned $$$. Just no.

I know right! It's like I'm having a nightmare and can't wake up. I saw the trailer and it had some of the cheesiest, corniest lines I have seen in a movie in a minute. You can clearly tell the reshoots from the earlier shoots.

According to Trank, it was always intended to be green. Considering that concept art exists of the Thing being radioactive green, too, I'm inclined to believe that.

EDIT: If I had to guess, it was probably previously different because of an internal dispute over how it should look.

Trank is making himself look really bad right now.

 

[C. Lee]

Why do you think the Fantastic Four movies are so obsessed with the idea of Doom getting powers from the same accent that the Four get their powers. Is that just something that has to happen?

Earlier in this thread, someone asked me what I wanted in a FF movie......and one of the things I listed was - I want the 4 to have an accident that gives them powers with Doom being nowhere near them in any way....and also I want a FF movie where Doom doesn't have powers like they do....he has nothing to do with them gaining powers or having any powers like them....he's just a crazy guy in a suit of armor.

 

[TeeKay]

Why do you think the Fantastic Four movies are so obsessed with the idea of Doom getting powers from the same accent that the Four get their powers. Is that just something that has to happen?

Laziness. Because yet AGAIN, we'll probably get Doom blaming the FF for the incident somehow. Superficial conflict imo. Been there, done that.

 

[DlAMONDZ]

Can't even look at this Doom without smh

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

They're too lazy to try to work his actual origin and character into the film?

Dropping that angle would have differentiated this version from the past one and gave us something new and I assume more accurate to the source material. You are right it must be laziness because it's not like the original films are fondly remembered, it's not like people just loved that plot point.

I'm glad I'm not the only one who saw that. It actually looks worse than it did in the previous trailers.

Usually I call ******** on people complaining about CGI (I did it yesterday) because I think that they are just nit picking because they don't like how a film looks but I must agree that some of the CGI looks shockingly low grade. The Human Torch is one such effect that isn't working for me for the most part. I despise CGI discussion so if I'm pointing it out you know something went wrong. Reminds me of Green Lantern a little bit.

 

[TeeKay]

They used OTOY for this film. Rather than go to let a say ILM, Weta of Digital domain they went and used untested VFX software because it was cheaper. Some of the shots of the Thing look off especially when he lands in the forest. Bleh.

 

[Son of Coul]

It's really just a way to streamline a two hour story and simplify things without it feeling convoluted, similar to how they tied Red Skull's origins with Cap's, Iron Monger's more closely to Iron Man's, etc. The problem is that his comic origin is much more interesting, so I think they'd be more successful if they took the extra effort to figure out how to manage it into one story while maintaining those elements.

 

[Dasher10]

Come on really? It's not even the same. The X-Men have at least been done a measure of justice by Fox not run into the ground like the FF have been. The FF are in critical condition, they are on life support but Marvel will never be able to resuscitate these characters while Fox is strip mining the property.

Would you rather see a bad film do well? What is the point? Are you really happy with what they've done to Doom for the THIRD TIME?

And stop complaining about the FF comic cancellation unless you were regularly buying issues. It rings hollow.

I bought a whole ton of FF comics within the past year. Both omnis for Byrne's FF (which I loved) and all of Simonson's run (which was good but not great). Since I don't see the Claremont run being reprinted in the near future, so I'll probably skip ahead to Waid within the next year. Point being, I WAS buying FF comics.

 

[TeeKay]

It's really just a way to streamline a two hour story and simplify things without it feeling convoluted, similar to how they tied Red Skull's origins with Cap's, Iron Monger's more closely to Iron Man's, etc. The problem is that his comic origin is much more interesting, so I think they'd be more successful if they took the extra effort to figure out how to manage it into one story while maintaining those elements.

Its already been done way back in the 2005 film. I have no idea why Trank chose to retread that idea again.

 

[Farren]

Earlier in this thread, someone asked me what I wanted in a FF movie......and one of the things I listed was - I want the 4 to have an accident that gives them powers with Doom being nowhere near them in any way....and also I want a FF movie where Doom doesn't have powers like they do....he has nothing to do with them gaining powers or having any powers like them....he's just a crazy guy in a suit of armor.

Yeah Doom with "powers" seems ... off.

Doom is awesome because he earned his power, not because he got super-abilities through a freak accident. I don't HATE Doom being in the accident or getting powers from it -- and I'll give the Story film credit for at least recognizing the importance of Victor being physically disfigured by his "powers" and sort of horrified by what was happening to him because at least that channeled how he probably felt in his college accident in the 616. But Doom gaining abilities via the FF's accident does present some .... problems with his characterization.

 

[RAE072]

It's really just a way to streamline a two hour story and simplify things without it feeling convoluted, similar to how they tied Red Skull's origins with Cap's, Iron Monger's more closely to Iron Man's, etc. The problem is that his comic origin is much more interesting, so I think they'd be more successful if they took the extra effort to figure out how to manage it into one story while maintaining those elements.

The perfect way to do it is use Mole Man as the first movie villain.

Then, tease Doom in an after credits scene. He sees the news that the Fantastic Four, led by Reed Richards, has saved New York from giant subterranean monsters.

Tease the comic accurate costume, he says "Richards..." cut to black.

Then, in the sequel, open with Doom back story and proper introduction and his plans on destroying Reed once and for all.

Your main team is already established in the first movie so now you have room to expand on Marvel's Greatest Villain in the sequel.

That's what I would do, at least.

 

[Flint Marko]

I can't help but think that, given the mixed reactions that final trailer has garnered, this was the final nail in the coffin for this movie. The only people convinced are the people who went in knowing they'd love it regardless, while the rest of us are kind of in awe over the choices that have been made.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Earlier in this thread, someone asked me what I wanted in a FF movie......and one of the things I listed was - I want the 4 to have an accident that gives them powers with Doom being nowhere near them in any way....and also I want a FF movie where Doom doesn't have powers like they do....he has nothing to do with them gaining powers or having any powers like them....he's just a crazy guy in a suit of armor.

I wish they had done what you wanted instead. I'm finding them copying that angle from Story films to be a turn off. I'm not a huge fan of FF but I never was enamored with that plot point, it always struck me as lazy stroytelling.

They used OTOY for this film. Rather than go to let a say ILM, Weta of Digital domain they went and used untested VFX software because it was cheaper. Some of the shots of the Thing look off especially when he lands in the forest. Bleh.

The Human Torch stuff really stood out to me.

 

[2094]

So after that Trailer who is still going to see this still?

 

[GR8GODZILLAGOD]

So after that Trailer who is still going to see this still?

I've had no plans for the longest time of seeing this ever.

 

[Flint Marko]

I'll see it at some point. But I certainly won't pay.

 

[Eddie]

For years I've wanted Skrulls for the first film. If you must do an origin story, and if Hollywood simply has to tie the villain into the origin, use an alien threat. Make the space mission that the Four go on a mission to investigate a weird space anomaly (caused by, say, a cloaked Skrull ship), and make the reason Reed and crew has to steal the ship (other than FOR SCIENCE! ) due to the Skrull-replaced government officials suddenly shutting it down. There's your updated 616 origin. Then do a proper Doom in the sequel.

 

[2094]

I've had no plans for the longest time of seeing this ever.

I know some users here will see this regardless. I will definitely see this opening night because I love the cast and after following this movie since day 1 I want to see how everything unfolds. I lean on the optimistic side here and there..

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I still haven't decided if I'm going to plunk down 7-10 dollars for it. I'm saving up for a trip in September so we will see...

 

[RAE072]

So after that Trailer who is still going to see this still?

I'll see it, I'm not paying to see it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

So after that Trailer who is still going to see this still?

I'm done. After this trailer I just have no interest. I may see it under 1one condition. If, and only if it gets a Rotten Tomatoes score of over 85, I may check it out, but right now I have no reason to even consider it.

 

[Eddie]

I'm not giving them a dime, but I don't support bootlegging it either. I'll wait to see it in a legal way that doesn't give Fox my money, like purchasing the blu-ray second-hand.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm done. After this trailer I just have no interest. I may see it under 1one condition. If, and only if it gets a Rotten Tomatoes score of over 85, I may check it out, but right now I have no reason to even consider it.

It has zero chance of getting an 85% score so I guess you won't be seeing it.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

As for the question: "Why is Doom so awful . . . again?"

Trank told us that he likes films, not comic books, so most of what he knows about the FF probably comes from the Tim Story films.

It also explains why every scene looks like something from another film. He's just collecting scenes from other films instead of using some of the great, never before seen on film, elements from the comic books.

All this time and money wasted. Just a huge squandered opportunity.