Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - Part 39

[Lightning Strykez!]

It's not only the Critics either. Check the audience reviews from those that saw it today. Most of them are very negative

That's very true handsome Lover-Boy.

And for those Hype users who were defending FOX's reasons for putting the embargo on this film's reviews...well, now you know why the rest of us were smelling trouble. Looks like a few critics are posting earlier than expected on Rottentomatoes.com and it's not looking good. I don't expect this trend to reverse either. I distinctly remember both of the previous FF films starting in the low 20 and 30 percentiles and that's exactly where they died later when all of the reviews were accounted for.

*sigh* It just makes me so mad seeing history repeat itself all over again for my most cherished hero team. They deserve better than this.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

I thought the embargo for this broke tomorrow? It seems like that critics review spot lists positive reviews, but are they actually positive or positive bits from negative reviews? Can somebody explain this to me. Oh, and is it also true that Jurassic World started at 50% because that movie was dope and I find that a bit hard to believe.

I think Fox may have broke their own embargo by posting positive reviews.

 

[Kanon]

I thought the embargo for this broke tomorrow? It seems like that critics review spot lists positive reviews, but are they actually positive or positive bits from negative reviews? Can somebody explain this to me. Oh, and is it also true that Jurassic World started at 50% because that movie was dope and I find that a bit hard to believe.

AFAIK the embargo still holds, the reviews (5) that hit today, are either from sites that understand that FOX broke the embargo first in the spots, or don't apply for embargo due to reviewing a public screening in the UK.

 

[starscream22]

I would think if any "rights deal" was to happen, FOX would want something similar to SONY's Spider-Man deal. Lend the Four to Marvel for big event films, but retain the right to make solo adventures/crossover movies

Of course you would....

I think is still depends on the overall Box Office. If this film doesn't make over a 100M Domestically then I strongly believe that Fox will take a check solely for this film.

If it just breaks even or actually turns a profit then they'll give Marvel a harder time.

But if I'm Marvel I wouldn't even put the same deal on the table that they had with Sony. It wouldn't even be worth it! F4 is no Spider-man franchise. (Thanks mostly to Fox)

 

[NotSoLongAgo]

I think so. I don't think Marvel Studios has even come close (or even want to) to the social injustice or edginess of X2 or DOFP.

Case closed

 

[Mr. Youtube]

Wait, so Fox broke it's own embargo by posting positive reviews, one of which I thought was CBS Radio. Where are those reviews?

 

[Val_Zod]

Welp guys and gals. Rotten Tomatoes Score for this film is now officially active.

So far? The film is at 20% Rotten.

1 Fresh Review.

4 Rotten Reviews.

Gird your britches. I'm feeling deja vu all over again.

I feel legitimately bad for fans such as yourselves who've been around long enough to witness the arrival of the Story films, and then coming nearly a decade later while its the renaissance of comicbook movies, and you are all still given the same level of quality from before.

Spiderman, and Daredevil were given another chance. I hope Fantastic Four can get their due someday as well. It only takes hitting rock bottom for things to start getting better. Prime example is Batman.

 

[Mr. Youtube]

Case closed

Not in film they didn't.

 

[Flint Marko]

Not in film they didn't.

You're right, they did one better in what was essentially a 13 hour movie.

 

[Endeavor]

Not in film they didn't.

So? It's still part of the MCU

 

[starscream22]

It's not only the Critics either. Check the audience reviews from those that saw it today. Most of them are very negative

And saying the same things the most people here predicted.

 

[Snikt]

I heard today that it was explained the trade prints (Varitey, THR, Deadline) get first dibs on the reviews and can post theirs' first. Their embargo was for today.

The rest of the media's (online, other print media) embargos lift tomorrow evening.

That's how el mayimbe explained it anyway. I know, I know; take that for what's it's worth.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

I feel legitimately bad for fans such as yourselves who've been around long enough to witness the arrival of the Story films, and then coming nearly a decade later while its the renaissance of comicbook movies, and you are all still given the same level of quality from before.

Spiderman, and Daredevil were given another chance. I hope Fantastic Four can get their due someday as well. It only takes hitting rock bottom for things to start getting better. Prime example is Batman.

Thank you. It SUCKS and it's painful. I know some think that me (and the majority here) are just negative "haters" but the truth is we genuinely love these characters, have read them for decades and believe in this franchise. We know just how valuable The Fantastic Four is and how incredible its potential could be. But we keep banging our heads against a studio who is ****ing this property out for cash with zero care or investment. In the process they are absolutely ruining this thing in the eyes of general moviegoers who will NEVER know how great the Fantastic Four are. 20th Century FOX has made the Fantastic Four a JOKE.

I can't bring myself to see it in theaters--I'm just so pi$$ed off at seeing history repeat itself. And judging by these first reviews, it looks like I'm right in saving my money.

 

[Val_Zod]

See my fear is that IF FF goes back to Marvel, it won't be too long until fanboys start campaigning for X-Men to go back, which is possibly the worst option for X-Men.

Because Disney just won't get how to handle X-Men and the social challenges the films will need.

If the Xmen films continue to be a success, you won't be seeing much of those talks. Take Deadpool for example. I see almost nothing but positive word on that film amongst the fans. People will only be asking for Xmen to go back if Fox starts churning out less than stellar Xmen films like they have Fantastic Four films.

It isn't a matter o studio bias, its a matter o wanting good films and portrayals.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

That's what I mean. Fox need to give up their cut of the merchandise.

... marvel doesn't want that though... they have no desire to try to make money off of FOX movie merch... that only helps sell their movie more so...

 

[sleekstereo]

So? It's still part of the MCU

But film is the big money maker and marketing tool for them and X-Men is film making worthy, not direct to Netflix.

Disney will never allow topics that X-Men explore to exist in their cinematic universe because they need it to be family friendly.

The thought of X-Men throwing Avengers size jokes in a movie is cringe worthy.

 

[MyDudeSpidey]

Not in film they didn't.

I don't think you're giving TWS enough credit here. And Daredevil proved they easily could if they wanted to.

 

[Flint Marko]

If the Xmen films continue to be a success, you won't be seeing much of those talks. Take Deadpool for example. I see almost nothing but positive word on that film amongst the fans. People will only be asking for Xmen to go back if Fox starts churning out less than stellar Xmen films like they have Fantastic Four films.

It isn't a matter o studio bias, its a matter o wanting good films and portrayals.

Exactly, Fox has been doing a wonderful job with the X-men so no one is really clammoring for the rights to revert. A movie like Deadpool couldn't happen with Marvel, so it's worked out nicely.

 

[Marvolo]

Even if FOX can merge two distinct cinematic licensing agreements without the approval of the IP holder, and I believe that is highly unlikely, why would Donner and Singer let this dumpster fire near their successful X-Men series? That makes zero sense.

And how many times do you think FOX is going to get away with kicking Marvel in the jimmies before Marvel (and Disney) hits back? Marvel has Season 2 of the most popular series on Netflix, now featuring A-Listers Elektra and Punisher, ready to go for 2016. Does FOX want to chance having thirteen episodes of DD made available for streaming on Deadpool's opening weekend?

I have confidence that the people who run FOX aren't complete morons. They're going to make a deal and forget all about the FF.

Fox owns the film rights to the Xmen characters and the FF characters. They can do a crossover and use it as a soft reboot. And Marvel is likely to get in the way of that.

And this particular film is a wreck but at one time the X-Men film franchise were a wreck but with the right directors Fox turned it around and no one even cares about X3 or Wolverine Origins anymore. So they very well could end up doing the same with the F4 property. And Singer is apparently set to leave after Apocalypse so I doubt he much cares whether a crossover happens. I just dont think Fox are going to give up all future possible revenue they can gain from the F4 characters because of a single failed attempt which they will no doubt blame on Trank's shenanigans. They will write this film off and probably hold onto the rights for another 7 years or more.

 

[Endeavor]

*sigh* It just makes me so mad seeing history repeat itself all over again for my most cherished hero team. They deserve better than this.

Sorry papito
I know you love these characters

 

[Mr. Youtube]

So? It's still part of the MCU

Yeah, but imagine how much better Iron Man 3 would have been if we actually saw stuff like anxiety attacks without him complaining about a Dora watch or that type of ****. That type of humor is present in Daredevil, right? Why isn't Daredevil's seriousness present in Iron Man or Captain America (which nearly had it right). I mean, trying to copy the X-Men formula but with the style of a MCU film killed Terminator Genisys and I haven't seen the film, but it appears that trying to emulate a different feel might have done that.

But now that I got Genisys in my head! ****ing Jai Courtney ruined Kyle Reese in THAT film. God, Michael Biehn's character was so humane, so mortal. He made the movie great because let's face it, his character was nothing compared to the Terminator but he still faced. Best of all? He was serious. He was in danger and so he was serious. He wasn't ****ing complaining about finding a switch? What the hell? God! I so hope this film isn't a total reverse Genisys.... PLEASE!

 

[sleekstereo]

Even if FOX can merge two distinct cinematic licensing agreements without the approval of the IP holder, and I believe that is highly unlikely, why would Donner and Singer let this dumpster fire near their successful X-Men series? That makes zero sense.

And how many times do you think FOX is going to get away with kicking Marvel in the jimmies before Marvel (and Disney) hits back? Marvel has Season 2 of the most popular series on Netflix, now featuring A-Listers Elektra and Punisher, ready to go for 2016. Does FOX want to chance having thirteen episodes of DD made available for streaming on Deadpool's opening weekend?

I have confidence that the people who run FOX aren't complete morons. They're going to make a deal and forget all about the FF.

Nerds will watch both.

As for the general public, I'll bet on Deadpool with its hype.

 

[Endeavor]

But film is the big money maker and marketing tool for them and X-Men is film making worthy, not direct to Netflix.

Disney will never allow topics that X-Men explore to exist in their cinematic universe because they need it to be family friendly.

The thought of X-Men throwing Avengers size jokes in a movie is cringe worthy.

I disagree, and let's just leave it at that.
No need to derail this into another Marvel/MCU debate.

There's enough to talk about regarding how bad FF sucks and how FOX Kinberg and Trank need to deal with that.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Yeah, but imagine how much better Iron Man 3 would have been if we actually saw stuff like anxiety attacks without him complaining about a Dora watch or that type of ****. That type of humor is present in Daredevil, right? Why isn't Daredevil's seriousness present in Iron Man or Captain America (which nearly had it right). I mean, trying to copy the X-Men formula but with the style of a MCU film killed Terminator Genisys and I haven't seen the film, but it appears that trying to emulate a different feel might have done that.

But now that I got Genisys in my head! ****ing Jai Courtney ruined Kyle Reese in THAT film. God, Michael Biehn's character was so humane, so mortal. He made the movie great because let's face it, his character was nothing compared to the Terminator but he still faced. Best of all? He was serious. He was in danger and so he was serious. He wasn't ****ing complaining about finding a switch? What the hell? God! I so hope this film isn't a total reverse Genisys.... PLEASE!

The Russos didn't fill Winter Soldier with jokes. Doctor Strange sounds like it will be very dark and borderline horror. Marvel is trying different things with their Netflix ventures. Why is this a bad thing? On one hand you have folks complaining about the so called "Marvel formula" and on the other hand you have folks complaining "why is one thing not like the other?"

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I disagree, and let's just leave it at that.
No need to derail this into another Marvel/MCU debate.

There's enough to talk about regarding how bad FF sucks and how FOX Kinberg and Trank need to deal with that.

Yeah sorry - I agree. Let's move on from this topic.