Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - Part 41

[metaphysician]

They made Hank Pym into an old man who was never with the Avengers and had nothing to do with the creation of Ultron.

But who was still a hero with deep personal issues, who was active in the 60s and 70s like his original comic version, who has a tragedy involving the loss of his wife, and who largely is responsible for all his own worst problems including the villain of the piece.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

actually we got both versions of mandarin in one film... they just merged the modern mandarin with killian... The tatts the fire breathing, the ripping tony's armor with his hands... all modern mandarin

 

[spideyboy_1111]

But who was still a hero with deep personal issues, who was active in the 60s and 70s like his original comic version, who has a tragedy involving the loss of his wife, and who largely is responsible for all his own worst problems including the villain of the piece.

don't forget.. he gave the father/son complex of ultron to Cross.. which worked well

 

[Zarex]

As far as FF is concerned, its too late for Fox to try and turn things around. The audience has rejected their takes, and there isn't enough time for them to wash away the stench of this latest iteration. They could reboot it, and set it as much apart from it, but that would suggest going to a bigger, more ambitious/lighter movie, which would mean a larger budget, which Fox can't afford to do, given how toxic the brand is. I doubt they want to make that kind of investment right away after a bomb, and they just don't have enough time.

I just don't think any of the bean counters at FOX would ok the budget required to bring the FF back from the dead. Given how crappy FFINO looked on a $120M budget, they're looking at a minimum budget of $175M for the reboot. And it may end up being higher, as FOX will be forced to overspend on a proven director and star caliber actors in order to coerce them to take part in an FF film.

So if FOX gets 50% of the BO, pays Marvel their 5% cut and spends another $50M on promotion, we're looking at a break even point of around $475M. On a reboot of a series that has never come anywhere close to that amount. And a franchise that is coming off of a complete BO disaster.

I understand that FOX execs may not care for their counterparts at Marvel. But do they hate them enough that they would risk losing another $60 million, and likely much more, on yet another FF film? I don't think so.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Devin Faraci threatened to kill someone on Twitter last night who criticized his article on the Slater script. He has since deleted the tweets.

 

[Eddie]

He and Trank are perfect for each other.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

which is to say, the mandarin is about as faithful to the source material as the heath ledger joker is to his.

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[Urich Leeds]

actually we got both versions of mandarin in one film... they just merged the modern mandarin with killian... The tatts the fire breathing, the ripping tony's armor with his hands... all modern mandarin

Neither was actually The Mandarin.

Shane Black screwed up Mandarin, and Marvel promptly corrected that in "All Hail The King", were they established a real, true Mandarin exists, and was none too pleased about Killian and Slattery using his name.

 

[Serpico Jones]

Faraci also said he would "take care of his wife"....what a scumbag.

 

[Drz]

They added the prologue and more Loki during post-production,that's it.

I was talking to Christopher Eccleston about Malekith, and he said there some scenes that were dedicated to just his character that were left on the cutting room floor. Is there going to be a big director’s cut?

Wouldn’t that be great? [Laughs] Maybe if you start the lobbying right now you can build up enough demand that Marvel will have to respond. I think it’s always the case with these big movies that that happens, and it’s painful to me because I absolutely love, love, love, love a lot of the stuff that fell by the wayside. Some of it was Malekith. You saw a lot more into the relationship between him and Algrim. You saw a lot more of what was driving him personally. And as I mentioned already there was a lot more with the kids, you saw them explore these fantastical events that were going on.



Yeah, that’s excruciating. Whether it’s whole scenes that are dropped or whether it’s beats or lines or moments that fall away in the drive to make it faster, tighter, funnier, quicker, more efficient, so yeah, that’s the excruciating thing. I think if there was a director’s cut it would be that much different. Maybe someday. Maybe someday if I become such a huge success later on in life I can come back and do it.

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[starscream22]

I just don't think any of the bean counters at FOX would ok the budget required to bring the FF back from the dead. Given how crappy FFINO looked on a $120M budget, they're looking at a minimum budget of $175M for the reboot. And it may end up being higher, as FOX will be forced to overspend on a proven director and star caliber actors in order to coerce them to take part in an FF film.

So if FOX gets 50% of the BO, pays Marvel their 5% cut and spends another $50M on promotion, we're looking at a break even point of around $475M. On a reboot of a series that has never come anywhere close to that amount. And a franchise that is coming off of a complete BO disaster.

I understand that FOX execs may not care for their counterparts at Marvel. But do they hate them enough that they would risk losing another $60 million, and likely much more, on yet another FF film? I don't think so.

Zarex If you don't stop making perfect since right now, people are going to be forced to abruptly change the subject for no apparent reason!

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

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I believe that Marvel probably made the right cuts to make the film successful but yeah I'm not gonna lie. It bothers me greatly to never be able to see that additional material at all. The extras on the Blu Ray were extremely lackluster. Some of the deleted scenes weren't even on the disc - you had to hunt them down on the Net. Lame.

But I don't buy this thinking that the director's cut is always the best. If a studio feels that there's something wrong with the film then it's their prerogative to fix that before release. There's a reason Marvel has been so successful and a big part of it I'm sure is because they don't let projects go off the rails like Fox has done.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

I just don't think any of the bean counters at FOX would ok the budget required to bring the FF back from the dead. Given how crappy FFINO looked on a $120M budget, they're looking at a minimum budget of $175M for the reboot. And it may end up being higher, as FOX will be forced to overspend on a proven director and star caliber actors in order to coerce them to take part in an FF film.

So if FOX gets 50% of the BO, pays Marvel their 5% cut and spends another $50M on promotion, we're looking at a break even point of around $475M. On a reboot of a series that has never come anywhere close to that amount. And a franchise that is coming off of a complete BO disaster.

I understand that FOX execs may not care for their counterparts at Marvel. But do they hate them enough that they would risk losing another $60 million, and likely much more, on yet another FF film? I don't think so.

Brilliant post. Right on.

 

[First Avenger]

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Yeah,I read that two years ago,so? Cuts hqppen in every movie ever.

 

[Flint Marko]

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So to you, cutting out Malekith and putting more of Loki in the film equates to "more humor and less character". You see how that's a far cry from what you originally said?
How does any of this have to do with the FF again? TDW is commonly called Marvels biggest failure but it was a financial success and the critics gave it a pass. Ergo, it has absolutely nothing in common with the FFINO. The studio meddling isn't even remotely comparable.

 

[TeeKay]

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[Dark Raven]

Change this thread title to Fantastic Four: Death

Or FFINO: Dead and Loving It.

 

[starscream22]

 

[TheVileOne]

John Campea did say Fox has two choices:

1. Put someone in charge of all their Marvel properties and have that one person make the decisions. He suggested Bryan Singer.

2. Let go of the Fantastic Four by either giving it back to Marvel or letting the rights revert in time.

Those actually aren't their only choices at all.

Also they only have two Marvel properties, X-Men and Fantastic Four. Sure a lot of characters to play around with, but not much outside of the core groups, Wolverine, Deadpool, etc.

Fantastic Four just bombed and they aren't doing anything with them anytime soon.

 

[TheVileOne]

I highly doubt that it's actually any good, but like you said, we'll never get the chance to find out.



That's what I thought. Let me repeat, they've never made a change near as drastic as what Fox has with the FFINO.

Yes they have.

 

[justanotherguy]

John Campea did say Fox has two choices:

1. Put someone in charge of all their Marvel properties and have that one person make the decisions. He suggested Bryan Singer.

2. Let go of the Fantastic Four by either giving it back to Marvel or letting the rights revert in time.

John Campea came off as such a studio system phony in this whole ordeal.

First of Fox already alledeglly has someone who is their "Feige" Millar...now they want to give it to Singer?

Singer is a good filmmaker, but a master action sequences he is a not.

Giving Singer all this power would be a poor move.

Option two is the better bet.

 

[Mike Murdock]

Those actually aren't their only choices at all.

Also they only have two Marvel properties, X-Men and Fantastic Four. Sure a lot of characters to play around with, but not much outside of the core groups, Wolverine, Deadpool, etc.

Fantastic Four just bombed and they aren't doing anything with them anytime soon.

Well, they have seven years to do something. If not, it's option 2 that happens.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

Fox should go to Marvel and trade the FF for the X-Men TV rights and move on.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Devin Faraci threatened to kill someone on Twitter last night who criticized his article on the Slater script. He has since deleted the tweets.

Faraci also said he would "take care of his wife"....what a scumbag.

The hell? How long is this lunatic going to be allowed to roam around unsupervised?

 

[Eddie]

Mark Millar has done next to nothing for the Fox Marvel films. It was a meaningless PR move to try to capture attention from fans.