Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - Part 41

[Orba]

The Thing vs. Terrorists was cut due to budget:


Fooox!!!!

That excuse doesn't make a lot of sense to me, they didn't have the money for it at the start of production yet apparently they still shot the scene and did at least some of the post production work on it before they decided to cut it from the film. If that is the real reason no wonder the film ended up as a mess with budget control like that. You don't spend that much money on a scene you knew you didn't have the money for in the first place over 12 months before.

 

[Zarex]

All members of the Avengers have killed HYDRA soldiers in the movies, nothing wrong with the Thing taking down terrorists.

Taking down? Sure. Recklessly killing? Yeah, there's something wrong with that.

Bruce was horrified by the slaughter he caused while in his indestructible superhuman form. If this were not an In Name Only interpretation, Ben wouldn't have agreed to be used in such a fashion.

 

[psylockolussus]

The Thing vs. Terrorists was cut due to budget:


Fooox!!!!

That sucks... seeing Ben in an actual mission against terrorists and not just a montage would have been cool to see.

And the Fantasticar too and Herbie the robot. In the film, we see Reed working on his car... I guess he was trying to use that as a device to transport to planet zero?

 

[C. Lee]

I don't get the fascination with wanting to see Ben as a killer. He's never been portrayed as one before....he's actually a fun loving guy who enjoys the occasional brawl....but he's never been portrayed as a casual killer.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Taking down? Sure. Recklessly killing? Yeah, there's something wrong with that.

Bruce was horrified by the slaughter he caused while in his indestructible superhuman form. If this were not an In Name Only interpretation, Ben wouldn't have agreed to be used in such a fashion.

I agree. It's pretty damn hard to imagine the ever-lovin' blue eyed Thing having 43 confirmed kills. Not comparable to real war at all. With his super strength and near indestructible exterior he could just render the soldiers weaponry inert or hem them in with boulders or something.

I guess in an age where Superman kills people by the thousands the Thing can have a few of his own.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

That excuse doesn't make a lot of sense to me, they didn't have the money for it at the start of production yet apparently they still shot the scene and did at least some of the post production work on it before they decided to cut it from the film. If that is the real reason no wonder the film ended up as a mess with budget control like that. You don't spend that much money on a scene you knew you didn't have the money for in the first place over 12 months before.

It makes sense with what I've been thinking recently.

Originally, the film had more action, but that action would require a lot of post-production, CGI and money.

When the suits saw how bad the film was looking - with the flat acting, lack of emotion, lack of drama and lack of character development - they realized they had a stinker on their hands that wouldn't be received well by critics or fans and wouldn't make much at the box-office.

So I believe the reshoots were never designed to make the film better (as we have assumed), but the reshoots were designed to cut out the action scenes that would require a lot of money to render.

If they had spent the extra money, it probably would have been a better film, but still a bad film.

 

[Dasher10]

I don't get the fascination with wanting to see Ben as a killer. He's never been portrayed as one before....he's actually a fun loving guy who enjoys the occasional brawl....but he's never been portrayed as a casual killer.

That's only one of many things that went wrong here...

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I agree. It's pretty damn hard to imagine the ever-lovin' blue eyed Thing having 43 confirmed kills. Not comparable to real war at all. With his super strength and near indestructible exterior he could just render the soldiers weaponry inert or hem them in with boulders or something.

I guess in an age where Superman kills people by the thousands the Thing can have a few of his own.

I love when people make things up because they don't like a film. There will be casualties in big super powered planet saving fights with Superhero's finding their way, Superman only purposefully killed one being. I know certain fans can't take anything less that a bright bubbly cartoon though where a woman implies that she is a monster because she can't have children.

 

[TeeKay]

I agree. It's pretty damn hard to imagine the ever-lovin' blue eyed Thing having 43 confirmed kills. Not comparable to real war at all. With his super strength and near indestructible exterior he could just render the soldiers weaponry inert or hem them in with boulders or something.

I guess in an age where Superman kills people by the thousands the Thing can have a few of his own.

 

[Mad Ones]

Wasn't he basically a soldier? Soldiers kill, but I wouldn't say it was casual for him. The movie should have showed us his missions, the personal toll it took on him, Sue's protests, Johnny's naïveté, etc.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I'm not going to get into a big fight about it because this isn't the place but I had to respond and I responded and now I will get back on topic.

The Fantastic Four being used as soldiers is not an idea that I'm particularly interested in when I hear it.

 

[Mad Ones]

Me either, but if it's the story they wanted to tell they could have at least told it well.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

As I've mentioned before, there's a big difference between a human soldier fighting a human soldier on equal footing with risk on both sides . . .

. . . and a super-powered, invulnerable Thing using his powers to slaughter people.

And as someone else pointed out, why did he have to kill them? He should be able to capture them.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Me either, but if it's the story they wanted to tell they could have at least told it well.

I agree.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Sorry to rile up some of you. That's just how I feel about Man of Kill but this was the wrong thread to bring it up. Carry on.

 

[Mad Ones]

As I've mentioned before, there's a big difference between a human soldier fighting a human soldier on equal footing with risk on both sides . . .

. . . and a super-powered, invulnerable Thing using his powers to slaughter people.

And as someone else pointed out, why did he have to kill them? He should be able to capture them.

Tell that to America when they were nuking Japan...

 

[Eddie]

Tell that to America when they were nuking Japan...

Wow. Yeah, that was a totally valid comparison...

*loud whisper* It wasn't a very good comparison at all.

 

[Mad Ones]

Wow. Yeah, that was a totally valid comparison...

*loud whisper* It wasn't a very good comparison at all.

Uh why? Superheroes are often compared to nuclear weapons and it's obvious that's how the government saw the Four in this movie. It's not like America cares about a fair fight (in the movie and in the real world).

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Uh why? Superheroes are often compared to nuclear weapons and it's obvious that's how the government saw the Four in this movie. It's not like America cares about a fair fight (in the movie and in the real world).

It's a terrible comparison because nuclear weapons don't have consciences. The people pushing the button may not either but in this instance you're attempting to compare a person (Ben Grimm) to something inanimate.

 

[Mad Ones]

It's a terrible comparison because nuclear weapons don't have consciences. The people pushing the button may not either but in this instance you're attempting to compare a person (Ben Grimm) to something inanimate.

Well that should have been the problem/dilemma in the movie itself, but they didn't go there unfortunately.

And someone flew the planes dropping the bomb, so it's not exactly inanimate.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Well that should have been the problem/dilemma in the movie itself, but they didn't go there unfortunately.

And someone flew the planes dropping the bomb, so it's not exactly inanimate.

Yes but the person flying the plane wasn't the bomb. The Thing is the bomb. A bomb that kills repeatedly.

In the end it doesn't matter because this wasn't a film about some guy who turned into a rock monster and lost his humanity inside and out. It was supposed to be a film about Ben Grimm. And Ben Grimm would never do something like that. It's messed up is what it is.

 

[Erzengel]

I guess what they are inferring to in BvsS that there were thousands of casualties in the battle between Superman and Zod.

 

[Krystal]

Dwight Howard says, "see Pixels--it's awesome! Where's my money?"
"Uh Dwight, could you pause for a second before you ask for your money?--that was picked up on your mike. Okay, Dwight loves Pixes--take 2"

 

[Kelly]

Uh why? Superheroes are often compared to nuclear weapons and it's obvious that's how the government saw the Four in this movie. It's not like America cares about a fair fight (in the movie and in the real world).

That is not what people are talking about here, they are talking about the innate characteristics of these 4 characters. They aren't killers, they were never killers, and to think that Sue would at anytime be considered a military weapon and she would be ok with that....well that person needs to read the Marvel Knights issue where Sue helps one of her employees who has an abusive husband, she almost kills him....and it absolutely makes her sick to her stomach to the point of vomiting once she leaves their apartment. It totally goes against who she is, and who they are, to their very core. To not care about that aspect, or to not think it is important is to not truly know who these characters are, and that was very obvious in this movie.

I don't really care if they take story arcs straight from the comics or not, or if they drastically change them, but to change the core elements of these characters is to simply not care who they are, and what they stand for in the realm of comics.

 

[Marvolo]

Sad fact is that if the military found out someone like the Fantastic Four existed they would round them up and give them two choices: work with us, or be locked away or possibly killed. Sue would have to stay in hiding on the run if she is totally adverse to killing.