Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - Part 41

[Flint Marko]

GOTG completely changed the characters of Starlord, Drax and a few others but noone here minds that.

Guardians and FFINO are not even remotely comparable for a variety of reasons. But I'm sure you already know this.

 

[TeeKay]

Guardians and FFINO are not even remotely comparable for a variety of reasons. But I'm sure you already know this.

Even though GotG strayed away from source material, it was a good movie first and foremost. FFINO failed at that.

 

[jaymes_e06]

It also gave us characters who looked visually like there comic counterparts which is a feet that FFINO couldn't accomplish with months of reshoots.

 

[metaphysician]

Sad fact is that if the military found out someone like the Fantastic Four existed they would round them up and give them two choices: work with us, or be locked away or possibly killed. Sue would have to stay in hiding on the run if she is totally adverse to killing.

Yeah, this isn't inflammatory and insulting to anyone whose ever served at all. . .

 

[Eddie]

GotG was very much in the spirit of the source material even if it wasn't a straight adaptation, and there was a lot of stuff in there for the fans (not unlike the award winning Dark Knight trilogy or Japanese Death Note films).

Smacking little Ben upside the head until he gets a complex he carries with him for years is, believe it or not, not really in the spirit of the source material.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Yeah, this isn't inflammatory and insulting to anyone whose ever served at all. . .

This is what I thought when it was clear they were going for the 'military as bad guys' cliché.

I know many people who have served or are currently serving (some at high levels) and they're not the mindless automatons Hollywood would lead us to believe. They're people and as people, the individuals who comprise 'the military' believe in the Constitution and principles of freedom and justice on which this country was founded. They don't make slaves out of people just because 'they could be extremely valuable' to them. If someone is a particularly gifted pilot or sharp-shooter, or nuclear scientist, does the government lock them up and tell them they will spend the rest of their life serving? By Hollywood's theory wouldn't Albert Einstein have been locked up in a government lab somewhere? Weren't his skills just as 'powerful' and 'dangerous' as the Fantastic Four's?

This film was the farthest thing from 'grounded'. It's based on Hollywood reality which is nothing like actual reality, and that's part of the reason it failed so hard.

 

[The Infernal]

Hated the military angle it was as cliche'd and ill defined as anything else in that movie. It was just "we want to steal your stuff/we want you to kill for us ". Childish nonsense.

 

[Farren]

Friendly reminder that the US once locked up thousands of it's own citizens of Japanese descent.

That being said, IA that the military angle was very cliche, boring, and somewhat implausible in this movie. The world's most powerful army doesn't really need the Fantastic Four or the "resources" of the N-Zone.

 

[Flint Marko]

Hated the military angle it was as cliche'd and ill defined as anything else in that movie. It was just "we want to steal your stuff/we want you to kill for us ". Childish nonsense.

This right here. "Ill-defined" describes the whole movie.

 

[chamber-music]

a super-powered, invulnerable Thing using his powers to slaughter people.

And as someone else pointed out, why did he have to kill them? He should be able to capture them.

Sounds more like Warren Ellis's evil Fantastic Four Thing, Jacob Greene.

 

[Eddie]

Has anyone seen that Kaspersky (they do antivirus stuff) is being accused of some shady business practices? The only reason I bring it up is because they're a promotional partner on Fant4stic.

Holy ****, this movie is bizarre. Even the promotional partners are corrupt!

 

[Marvolo]

Yeah, this isn't inflammatory and insulting to anyone whose ever served at all. . .

If you think our military and government would let potential weapons like the Fantastic Four just go around unchecked in our country you don't know the way the world and our government, military, and DOD operates. Sue's powers allow her to infiltrate top secret bases and the White House, the Pentagon, Banks etc. Her powers allow her to do pretty much anything without getting caught. The military brass and government would scoop her up the minute they found out about her.

Let me guess, you're one of those that thinks all military personnel and the top brass are all saints who would never do anything bad or commit a knee jerk reaction out of fear. You need to stop thinking that seeing the way the world works is a slight against every man and woman in the military. My friends and family in the military don't even pretend our military is faultless or that the military has never done something questionable out of fear.

The brass and our government doesn't ask every single soldier whether an order is in line with their morals and whether they feel like doing what they are ordered to do. The brass make decisions (good and bad) that they believe will protect Americans and our allies. Then they give the officers their orders and the officers give orders to the enlisted men and women. So it doesn't matter how many good men and women are in the military (a lot obviously) if the brass and government view something as a threat it is dealt with regardless of the morals or reservations of common soldiers.

 

[Parker Wayne]

If you think our military and government would let potential weapons like the Fantastic Four just go around unchecked in our country you don't know the way the world and our government, military, and DOD operates. Sue's powers allow her to infiltrate top secret bases and the White House, the Pentagon, Banks etc. Her powers allow her to do pretty much anything without getting caught. The military brass and government would scoop her up the minute they found out about her.

Let me guess, you're one of those that thinks all military personnel and the top brass are all saints who would never do anything bad or commit a knee jerk reaction out of fear. You need to stop thinking that seeing the way the world works is a slight against every man and woman in the military. My friends and family in the military don't even pretend our military is faultless or that the military has never done something questionable out of fear.

The brass and our government doesn't ask every single soldier whether an order is in line with their morals and whether they feel like doing what they are ordered to do. The brass make decisions (good and bad) that they believe will protect Americans and our allies. Then they give the officers their orders and the officers give orders to the enlisted men and women. So it doesn't matter how many good men and women are in the military (a lot obviously) if the brass and government view something as a threat it is dealt with regardless of the morals or reservations of common soldiers.

Agreed. The US government already does a lot of shady s**t.

 

[Drz]

Yeah in Today's world you can't attempt to portray the American Government as heroic, as that would just be a lie to both domestic and international audiences.

 

[Parker Wayne]

You can, but it's just rarely as interesting these days.

 

[HunBoy]

What is "FFINO"?

 

[The Infernal]

Can we get away from the cynical fantasist nonsense, please?

 

[SSJ4_Haruhi]

What is "FFINO"?

Fantastic Four In Name Only.

 

[BatmanFan333]

Change this thread title to Fantastic Four: Death

 

[Gabe99]

Bart & Fleming: Lessons Of Summer; Should Mad Max, Terminator Genisys, Spy And Fantastic Four Live On?

If the movie is broken, do not release it until you fix it, as hard as that is. If that means sacking the director and pulling it off the release calendar, do it. These films cost too much money and look at what Fox is left with. A big writeoff, and a tarnished intellectual property in Marvel’s wonderful Fantastic Four universe—I feel confident that done properly, depicting the battle between Silver Surfer and Galactus is far more cool and epic than Ant-Man or another iteration of Spider-Man. I don’t know how the rights work, but Sub-Mariner crossed over into the Fantastic Four world in the 1960s, and is far more interesting than DC’s Aquaman if you ask me. Fox has options on four terrific young actors in Miles Teller, Michael B. Jordan, Kate Mara and Jamie Bell that the studio now might not be able to use. I don’t think this movie deserved the blanket condemnation it got, and it is remarkable how quickly that built when Trank turned on it. I don’t see Fox giving the rights back to Marvel, as has been suggested, not when they could stoke the embers with a TV series or make a good movie with some real imagination that maybe places the focus on an ancillary character. Beg Bryan Singer to take it over; his first X-Men was probably the best example of how to tell a great story and lay the foundation for an enduring franchise. The first Captain America was okay, but it was far from hip until Joe and Anthony Russo got hold of it and turned the sequel into a towering success and Captain America into a rock star. You look at the first Wolverine film and it was roundly panned. And yet, all the characters introduced from Wolverine to Deadpool and Gambit will live on in other superhero movies. Just as is the case in the comics, it’s very hard to kill a superhero, even in Hollywood. But they came very close here.

AXEL-IN-CHARGE: Duos New & Old, with "Deadpool/Cable" and "Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur"

Before we get to fan questions, the big entertainment news of the past week has been the "Fantastic Four" movie -- obviously that's a 20th Century Fox production Marvel didn't have direct involvement in -- emerging as a critical and financial disappointment upon release. I'm curious as to how this might affect the way the Fantastic Four are viewed internally at Marvel. I imagine there are three outcomes: This will make Marvel less likely to unveil a new "Fantastic Four" series, due to the notion it's a tainted property; it'll make Marvel more likely, because they want to prove to the world it's a viable concept and how to do it; or not affected at all, and that plans will just continue the way they were.

Alonso:
Not affected at all. We have our plan. Whether the movie was a hit or a failure was irrelevant to us. We've got great stories to tell in the coming year, and "Secret Wars" sets the stage for them.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Bart & Fleming: Lessons Of Summer; Should Mad Max, Terminator Genisys, Spy And Fantastic Four Live On?


AXEL-IN-CHARGE: Duos New & Old, with "Deadpool/Cable" and "Moon Girl & Devil Dinosaur"

Good find. Thanks!

There are actually some false statements from that first link however. Fox can never make an FF TV show or include Namor the Sub-Mariner without some kind of involvement by Marvel. All the more reason for these rights to come home.

 

[Ragnaroknroll]

Change this thread title to Fantastic Four: Death

Indeed. Far more apropos.

 

[Big Bang]

With all the talk I've read about the Fantastic Four and a 60's time piece (which I'm not too fond of, but it could still work) around here I do have admit that it would have played nicely with the Time Infinity Stone.

Damn you Fox for robbing us of potential and drowning us with your mediocrity instead.

 

[starscream22]

With all the talk I've read about the Fantastic Four and a 60's time piece (which I'm not too fond of, but it could still work) around here I do have admit that it would have played nicely with the Time Infinity Stone.

Damn you Fox for robbing us of potential and drowning us with your mediocrity instead.

Yeah I'm not with the 60's version either but having Doom have access to the Time Stone given them modern day access in the end could've worked.... "That's reality though"

 

[Drz]

Thing's lost action scene:

Reed, badly battered in his space suit, is crawling across the floor after trying to free his trapped legs. He sees Johnny, apparently a corpse, burning in his capsule. There is a pile of orange rocks, and beneath them – or maybe within them – he can hear the voice of his old friend Ben whimpering for help. Then he looks back and realizes his legs never became unstuck from the rubble… they’re stretching like warm taffy.



After that, the team wakes up in a medical facility. The military has moved in and taken control of the situation. Richards goes fugitive, but the other three agree to serve the government as special ops soldiers. In the movie, we get a title card indicating a year has passed, then see a group of generals watching surveillance footage of the team – again, minus Mr. Fantastic – attacking tanks and taking out bad guys.



Critics have complained that the movie lacks action, and sources close to the project confirm that there was supposed to be a major fight sequence right in between.


That peculiar time-jump was always a part of the plan, and sources close to Trank say his idea was to race out of that disturbing accident scene and throw the audience into a major action sequence. Only after that would he play catch-up – explaining that the three were now unofficial super-soldiers working on behalf of the U.S. of A.


What we would have seen after that smash-cut to black was this:
A Chechen rebel camp in the wee hours of the night. There’s no explanation for where we are, but there are soldiers speaking a foreign language, and they are loading up some heavy-duty weaponry.
Crews are filling truck beds with the gear, preparing to mobilize – then a siren goes off. Everyone freezes, and one by one they turn their faces to the sky. A stealth bomber whispers by overhead, and a large object falls from it, streaking through the air at great speed.


The object – a bomb, a missile? – collides with the earth in the center of the camp, sending debris is all directions. The soldiers take cover, then tentatively emerge and walk toward the crater, where there is a giant pile of orange boulders.


Slowly, the rocks begin to move on their own, becoming arms, legs, a torso, a head …



This rock-figure lumbers out of the smoke, and the soldiers level their weapons – then open fire.


As The Thing lurches into view, bullets spark and ping off his impenetrable exterior.


Rather than some elegant, balletic action sequence, The Thing moves slowly and deliberately. He’s in no hurry. The storytelling goal was to show the futility of firepower against him as he casually demolishes the terrorists. It’s a blue-collar kind of heroism.


When it becomes clear this rock-beast cannot be stopped, the surviving Chechen rebels make a run for it – and that’s when a hail of gunfire finishes them off.


From the shadows of the surrounding forest, a team of Navy SEALS emerge with their guns drawn and smoking. The cavalry has arrived, but the enemy has already been subdued.


The film would then have shifted to a bird’s-eye view of the camp, an aerial shot showing waves of American soldiers flooding in to secure the base. Just when it appears the American soldiers may be ready to clash with the rock monster, The Thing gives them a solemn nod, and they clear a path. He lumbers past them, almost sadly, a heartsick warrior. Then he boards a large helicopter and is lifted away.


Only then does the movie cut to that conference room, where Tim Blake Nelson’s Dr. Allen is crowing to his military overlords about how this mutated team of scientists is helping do the heavy lifting for America’s rank-and-file soldiers.

According to the EW link, FOX decided to fund this action scene but they did not allow the director to direct the sequence, so some other people did it and it ended up being horrible. -_____-