Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - Part 41

[RAE072]

:')

Ha.

Hahahahahahah

 

[Flint Marko]

The more I think about it, the more I'm kind of dumbfounded at this things failure.
All the right pieces were in place, they had a good cast and a premise that would have been interesting to a lot of people, and yet they churned out the biggest comic book cinematic turd since Green Lantern. It just goes to show the ineptitude of everyone involved, from top to bottom.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

The more I think about it, the more I'm kind of dumbfounded at this things failure.
All the right pieces were in place, they had a good cast and a premise that would have been interesting to a lot of people, and yet they churned out the biggest comic book cinematic turd since Green Lantern. It just goes to show the ineptitude of everyone involved, from top to bottom.

Every step of the way, it seemed like they were trying to make something nobody would like.

They chose a cast that looked nothing like the characters, they chose UFF as a basis when nobody wanted that, they made changes to UFF that nobody wanted (Ben as a loser with no sense of humor, Reed as a loser who abandoned his friends). They made an awful Doom, they created costumes that not only looked idiotic, but also looked nothing like FF, they did another origin story that nobody wanted to see, Thing with no pants (I mean how do you just accidentally, whoops, do something as stupid as making the Thing naked and d***less? That's so bad, it almost has to be intentionally bad) etc. etc. etc.

It's almost like they looked at the things Marvel was doing and tried to do everything completely opposite (and I actually think that may have been an intended strategy so they could claim their film was 'different' and 'unique').

The problem is, what Marvel does works, and the opposite doesn't.

Imagine if they had basically just redone the Corman film with some updates and better special effects. A film like that might not have been huge, but there are enough people interested in seeing an FF film, that I think even that probably would have made its budget back.

 

[Dark Raven]

Every step of the way, it seemed like they were trying to make something nobody would like.

They chose a cast that looked nothing like the characters, they chose UFF as a basis when nobody wanted that, they made changes to UFF that nobody wanted (Ben as a loser with no sense of humor, Reed as a loser who abandoned his friends). They made and awful Doom, they created costumes that not only looked idiotic, but also looked nothing like FF, they did another origin story that nobody wanted to see, Thing with no pants (I mean how do you just accidentally, whoops, do something as stupid as making the Thing naked and d***less? That's so bad, it almost has to be intentionally bad) etc. etc. etc.

It's almost like they looked at the things Marvel was doing and tried to do everything completely opposite (and I actually think that may have been an intended strategy so they could claim their film was 'different' and 'unique').

The problem is, what Marvel does works, and the opposite doesn't.

Imagine if they had basically just redone the Corman film with some updates and better special effects. A film like that might not have been huge, but there are enough people interested in seeing an FF film, that I think even that probably would have made its budget back.

It's like that FF comic "Imaginauts" by Mark Waid and Mike Wieringo where a writer for the fictional, in-universe FF comics is sent to spend a week with the FF to see how to make the comic different and what makes them tick and how it can be improved. At the start of the comic there are these hideous FF designs as they're trying to make it as different as possible to what everyone knows. At the end of the story the guy concludes after having been around them that you shouldn't change everything around but actually be more faithful to who they are and that will capture the public's imagination.

It's like Fox did the exact opposite of that comic story and all the potential mistakes it highlighted.

 

[Zarex]

FFINO was truly unique in that everyone involved in the production (with the exception of Toby Kebbell) HATED the Fantastic Four. In every interview Kinberg, Trank and company conveyed their outright disdain for Marvel's First Family. When the "What we want to change" list is significantly longer than the "What we want to keep" list, your CBM is officially Tranked.

 

[Flint Marko]

Every step of the way, it seemed like they were trying to make something nobody would like.

They chose a cast that looked nothing like the characters, they chose UFF as a basis when nobody wanted that, they made changes to UFF that nobody wanted (Ben as a loser with no sense of humor, Reed as a loser who abandoned his friends). They made an awful Doom, they created costumes that not only looked idiotic, but also looked nothing like FF, they did another origin story that nobody wanted to see, Thing with no pants (I mean how do you just accidentally, whoops, do something as stupid as making the Thing naked and d***less? That's so bad, it almost has to be intentionally bad) etc. etc. etc.

It's almost like they looked at the things Marvel was doing and tried to do everything completely opposite (and I actually think that may have been an intended strategy so they could claim their film was 'different' and 'unique').

The problem is, what Marvel does works, and the opposite doesn't.

Imagine if they had basically just redone the Corman film with some updates and better special effects. A film like that might not have been huge, but there are enough people interested in seeing an FF film, that I think even that probably would have made its budget back.

You're absolutely correct, no question about it.
However, I'm still somewhat surprised that the final film is as bad as it is. I always expected it to be a horrible FF adaption, but I thought it could at least be a somewhat interesting sci-fi film. I did predict it to succeed in that respect; I was fully prepared for it to find a relatively smaller but decent sized audience who would rally around it, sort of like Chronicle. But it's just a truly uninspired, dreary mess. I'm just astounded at how inept everyone who worked on this was.

 

[Darkraid]

:')

I feel bad for Kate. Loved her in The Martian, but she ain't Sue Storm.

 

[Kelly]

Hmmmm....

Rumor? F4 back at Marvel, movie in 2020....

Fox is denying it, but I think it is much more plausible today than it was before.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

Hmmmm....

Rumor? F4 back at Marvel, movie in 2020....

Fox is denying it, but I think it is much more plausible today than it was before.

o be fair.. FOX has made a large practice out of saying things are not true.. when they pan out to be true... they also have said many things claiming to be true... and turn out to be false... there's likely some truth to this, and the reason the FOX rep shot it down is because the story is leaking without things getting finalized contractually... My guess... FOX once some sort of deal to make some money off a F4 film (similar to Sony with spidey) and negotiations are still under way

FOX wouldn't want this info out before the home video release anyway... because if the public is well aware another F4 reboot is coming and not a FOX sequel.. they'd honestly have less interest in investing in the film that came out this year (even less than they had before if that's possible) so it would potentially hurt sales.

 

[Val_Zod]

o be fair.. FOX has made a large practice out of saying things are not true.. when they pan out to be true... they also have said many things claiming to be true... and turn out to be false... there's likely some truth to this, and the reason the FOX rep shot it down is because the story is leaking without things getting finalized contractually... My guess... FOX once some sort of deal to make some money off a F4 film (similar to Sony with spidey) and negotiations are still under way

FOX wouldn't want this info out before the home video release anyway... because if the public is well aware another F4 reboot is coming and not a FOX sequel.. they'd honestly have less interest in investing in the film that came out this year (even less than they had before if that's possible) so it would potentially hurt sales.

The fact they wanted to shut it down so quickly is a pretty good indicator.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

The fact they wanted to shut it down so quickly is a pretty good indicator.

of which way? FOX typically shoots everything down instantly

 

[metaphysician]

So, after seeing the Martian. . . Matt Damon for Reed Richards? *ducks*

 

[Dark Raven]

Matt Damon was once rumoured for Namor.

 

[Eddie]

Matt Damon's past puberty, so he'd certainly be an improvement.

 

[jfurioso]

I feel bad for Kate. Loved her in The Martian, but she ain't Sue Storm.

I always felt Kate would have been a good Alicia Masters.

 

[Dark Raven]

I always felt Kate would have been a good Alicia Masters.

Alicia: I'm blind. I can't see my work. I can only feel it.

Johnny: You'll see it anyway.

 

[chamber-music]

Rupert Murdoch Calls Out Fantastic Four Film For Poor Performance

Rupert Murdoch said that the quarterly results "reflect the expected impact of challenging comparisons for our film studio due to the timing of key releases, as well as the poor performance of The Fantastic Four."

Company Chairman singling out FF flopping as part of the reason his company is making less the than predicted earnings for the quarter is not a good sign

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Rupert Murdoch Calls Out Fantastic Four Film For Poor Performance


Company Chairman singling out FF flopping as part of the reason his company is making less the than predicted earnings for the quarter is not a good sign

On the contrary. It's a wonderful sign.t:

If you look at Fox's stock chart, it dropped like a rock the day FF's reviews started coming out and hasn't recovered since. It's currently about 12% below where it was on August 4th. With a market cap of about 60 billion, that's an approximately 7.2 BILLION loss in market cap since the reviews started coming out.

As some will point out, FF is just one factor . . . but as you note it is a factor that Murdoch is specifically mentioning to shareholders.

With all this in mind, the idea that Fox would make another film in the next 7 years or turn down a reasonable offer from Marvel to keep rights nobody (most of all shareholders) ever wants them to use again is ludicrous.

 

[chamber-music]

This movie was a total cluster#### for them

 

[Zarex]

On the contrary. It's a wonderful sign.t:

If you look at Fox's stock chart, it dropped like a rock the day FF's reviews started coming out and hasn't recovered since. It's currently about 12% below where it was on August 4th. With a market cap of about 60 billion, that's an approximately 7.2 BILLION loss in market cap since the reviews started coming out.

As some will point out, FF is just one factor . . . but as you note it is a factor that Murdoch is specifically mentioning to shareholders.

With all this in mind, the idea that Fox would make another film in the next 7 years or turn down a reasonable offer from Marvel to keep rights nobody (most of all shareholders) ever wants them to use again is ludicrous.

Rupert calling out the FF may also have been done to lessen the blow to stockholders when they find out FOX released another Marvel property back to the rights holder. "Of course we traded in the FF - that damn thing costs us over $7 billion!!!!!

 

[Dark Raven]

Rupert Murdoch: So... we want to increase our earnings for the next quarter big time and impact the market. Any bright ideas?

Fox executive: I know! Let's make Fantastic Four in Name Only. That's sure to make a dent!

Months later...

Rupert Murdoch: Well, that didn't go as well as we had hoped. Our stock has plummeted and our company is in the now red. What do you propose we do to turn this around? Any bright ideas?

Fox executive: I know! Let's make Fantastic Four in Name Only 2. That's sure to make a dent!.

 

[spideyboy_1111]

On the contrary. It's a wonderful sign.t:

If you look at Fox's stock chart, it dropped like a rock the day FF's reviews started coming out and hasn't recovered since. It's currently about 12% below where it was on August 4th. With a market cap of about 60 billion, that's an approximately 7.2 BILLION loss in market cap since the reviews started coming out.

As some will point out, FF is just one factor . . . but as you note it is a factor that Murdoch is specifically mentioning to shareholders.

With all this in mind, the idea that Fox would make another film in the next 7 years or turn down a reasonable offer from Marvel to keep rights nobody (most of all shareholders) ever wants them to use again is ludicrous.

yeah this is actually fantastic news for those who want them back home at marvel.. it means even the owner of FOX is calling them out as a reason for a big money loss... essentially meaning they're worthless to the company

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

yeah this is actually fantastic news for those who want them back home at marvel.. it means even the owner of FOX is calling them out as a reason for a big money loss... essentially meaning they're worthless to the company

Yep. The thing with a failure this epic is that it has reverberations far beyond the $100 million loss. It calls into question the judgement of those in charge (we've been questioning their judgement for the past 2 years, but the shareholders don't notice until the results start coming in).

Right now, the shareholders are asking: "Do these people know what they're doing? How could they screw up this bad? Marvel films are guaranteed money-makers, why can't this management team do it? Why did they choose to make a third film when the first two didn't do that great?"

And the result is going to be shake-ups in management. People who were involved in this will get fired and the board will have to try to convince shareholders they do know what they're doing and won't repeat their mistakes.

And the absolute LAST thing you want to do when you're trying to regain that trust is make yet another film based on a property you've failed 3 times with.

Fox will never make another FF film (at least not without Marvel's heavy involvement). That's a certainty at this point.

 

[Web-Head]

"It's Fantastic Four's fault!" Good sell it to Marvel

 

[Dark Raven]

Yep. The thing with a failure this epic is that it has reverberations far beyond the $100 million loss. It calls into question the judgement of those in charge (we've been questioning their judgement for the past 2 years, but the shareholders don't notice until the results start coming in).

Right now, the shareholders are asking: "Do these people know what they're doing? How could they screw up this bad? Marvel films are guaranteed money-makers, why can't this management team do it? Why did they choose to make a third film when the first two didn't do that great?"

And the result is going to be shake-ups in management. People who were involved in this will get fired and the board will have to try to convince shareholders they do know what they're doing and won't repeat their mistakes.

And the absolute LAST thing you want to do when you're trying to regain that trust is make yet another film based on a property you've failed 3 times with.

Fox will never make another FF film (at least not without Marvel's heavy involvement). That's a certainty at this point.

Unless the people working at Fox all look like this:

In which case losses are good and profits are bad, and the last FF film did astoundingly well for them both in terms of reviews and box office earnings. Now we'll get three more sequels.