Fant4stic: Reborn! - - - - - - - Part 41

[Dasher10]

It doesn't sound like anyone at Fox other than Kinberg is in denial about this. I don't think that Watts has her head in the sand since Rupert singled out the first film as a failure. She's not going to greenlight a sequel.

Keep in mind that Lauren Schuler Donner wasn't involved in producing this film. For a Fox CBM, that's a death sentence. She saw some behind the scenes red flags and chose to stay away.

Jim Gianopulos is the studio head so he had his name on the credits as a producer so it's a formality. He's more on the business side when it comes to financing projects. Watts was stretched too thin since she's President of Production so she's involved with everything and can't get too involved with the creative side. Millar and Vaughn were off shooting Kingsman while FF was shooting and they had limited involvement. This film was Kinberg's baby and he just wants a sequel for ego reasons. He's not high enough up the food chain to be greenlighting projects owned by a studio.

 

[Dark Raven]

As if this movie could have a sequel when it did so badly, and other films which have done better have not had any further adventures.

 

[def28]

As time goes on I think more actors involved will voice their opinion on this car crash of a movie.

Kebbell is being very diplomatic. You can tell he isn't trying to burn any bridges with his comments but at the same time you can read between the lines that their were problems and people didn't speak out.

Chris Evans said he was proud of only three movies in his career. One of those certainly wasn't FF: Rise Of The Silver Surfer. You could tell on the press tour for that film that he hated having to promote it.

Exactly. Dude handled things pretty well and professional. There's no reason for him to act like a *****ebag, flat out slam people or to be over apologetic. Kebbell is one of the most talented and underrated actors out there imo. Shame the filmmakers treated Doom the way they did.

If anyone needs to be overly apologetic about this film it's the filmmakers and studio.

 

[Endeavor]

I like Kebbell. Guy seems like a class act. Too bad he's been tainted by this travesty of a movie.

 

[DyeLorean]

I find it fascinating that Kate Mara hasn't even seen the final film.

 

[Dark Raven]

She probably doesn't want to. Maybe she'll watch it one day as part of a drunken girls' night in so they can all laugh at it. Although it's so boring that it's not exactly a barrel of laughs.

 

[DyeLorean]

She probably doesn't want to. Maybe she'll watch it one day as part of a drunken girls' night in so they can all laugh at it. Although it's so boring that it's not exactly a barrel of laughs.

I know! Right?
But besides, it does tell you a lot about that movie, that not even the main actress saw the film, even after a few months. You'd think by the time they're on the press tour, they know what they are promoting.
It just demonstrates how bad everything was around that film. I'm not even gonna see it myself, so Kate, if you're reading this, I feel ya.

 

[Dark Raven]

Usually for a world premiere the stars often see it for the first time. Was there any kind of red carpet event for this or did they not bother splashing out and didn't think anyone would show anyway?

 

[DyeLorean]

I don't know if there was a red carpet event. I don't think so. I do know they did press interviews.

 

[Eddie]

Oh, there was a big premier event, all right. It was ridiculous. They had celebrities in attendance that all tweeted about how great the movie was and everything (Dwight Howard, for example). The cast did a red carpet thing, too. That they apparently didn't actually stick around to watch the film is pretty damning.

 

[Zarex]

So Kate and company walked the red carpet, posed for photos, gave interviews, walked into the theater......and then snuck out the back after the lights dimmed? I would find this behavior odd for any movie other than FFINO.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

Whenever we read any comments from anybody associated with this we have to remember that everything about any film and production, from the moment it's green-lit until at least a year after release is: "Great" "Fantastic" "Amazing" etc. . . . even when it's not.

That's why Trank's simple comment that he had something better was so shocking. We all know there are many directors who feel they could have done something better with less studio interference, more money etc. but they can't say that.

The people associated with these films are public figures who are selling their film 24/7. You never hear a salesman say: "The product I'm trying to sell you isn't great."

Here are some translations for things we've read over the past year:

Matthew Vaughn and Mark Millar (several months prior to release): "It's good" Translation "It's terrible"

Simon Kinberg (a few days before release): "It's not a disaster" Translation "This is a complete disaster. Thank God I've already got a few other projects going or I'd have trouble finding new work."

Miles Teller (a few days before release): "This is not a movie we're going to go on (review website) Rotten Tomatoes and it's going to be at 80 or 90 per cent." Translation "This a really bad film that will likely be remembered alongside bombs like Catwoman and Batman & Robin."

Toby Kebbel: "I don't know if I learned anything from Doom apart from perhaps when I see something I don't agree with, to voice that immediately." Translation "I apologize to the fans who know, as I do, Doom could have and should have been done much better than this script and director allowed."

Kate Mara: "I didn't see it . . . neither did the rest of the world." Translation "What a mess. I'm embarrassed to have been a part of that. I hope Josh Trank kills himself, goes straight to hell and spends eternity being sodomized by an extremely well-hung demon."

 

[chamber-music]

Toby Kebbell knows all about what its like to be a fan of something that a studio exec doesn't understand from his Akira experience a few years ago

After some early concept art for the film hit the ‘net', we now have even more details about the project, thanks to “Wrath of the Titans” actor Toby Kebbell.

Back in November, the British actor was named as one of the leading candidates to play Tetsuo, a teenager who’s abducted by the government after developing powerful psychic abilities. During the press junket for “Wrath of Titans” — in which he plays the demigod Agenor — Kebbell shed a little more light on what the role would’ve entailed, the concerns he had about playing Tetsuo, and where he thinks the project went awry.

“Yes, that was genuine,” said Kebbell of the initial reports linking him to the role of Tetsuo. “I also got sent an email from a brother of mine that had all of these people’s faces, and I was like, ‘S***! All of those people are going for it as well? B*******!'”

“I’m probably never going to get an opportunity again to do [‘Akira’],” he said, adding that his initial take on the script left him feeling a bit, well… concerned.

“They were like, ‘This is going to be a big franchise!'” he explained. “So I said, ‘Then in that case, understand that I’ve read the comics, and I’ve read the comics that got turned into the annuals, and then the annuals that got turned into the one-off anime. So if you really want to do it, then why don’t you look at the six comics and just put two into each film?'”

“That way my character, Tetsuo, is not the lead,” he continued. “He’s not the second lead, and he’s not the third or the fourth lead, because there are eight major characters there. You’ve got great young actors, and you could get them in there. That’s the way to do it if you want to do sequels.”

The studio’s response, according to Kebbell, was not exactly encouraging.

“They were like, ‘Welllll…'” he shrugged. “So I told them, ‘Then this is a remake [of the animated movie], and I don’t want to do a live-action remake of the cartoon, because [the cartoon] is perfect and you’re not going to do it dark enough — so therefore, I don’t want to do it.”

Still, Kebbell said the potential of an “Akira” movie was hard to ignore, and his feelings about the studio’s plans for the film were borne out of his appreciation for the source material. For Kebbell, the relationship between Tetsuo and Kaneda, the gang leader who takes Tetsuo under his wing and treats him like a younger brother, is the most important theme of the story and the element that’s most vital to preserve in any adaptation.

“I was desperate to play Tetsuo, but Tetsuo in the comic and annual form,” he explained. “He’s brilliant in the anime, but if you know anything about the comics, they cut so much of the story out. You care about him, because it’s brilliantly done, but you don’t really care about Kaneda, who isn’t.”

“The other thing they wanted to do was make [Tetsuo and Kaneda] brothers,” he continued. “I was like, ‘The point is that Tetsuo can’t comprehend how someone who isn’t his brother could love him so much — and that’s where his wrath and his rage come from. Do you not see that? Why have you made them brothers? What the f*** are you doing?'”

As if this movie could have a sequel when it did so badly, and other films which have done better have not had any further adventures.

I still see people who post that they think a sequel will happen with this cast

 

[Dark Raven]

If he thought that about Akira, then did he not have any thoughts on Fantastic Four? Or maybe he had never read a comic himself? Otherwise how could he agree to play such a bastardised version of Dr Doom when he didn't want a bastardised version of Tetsuo? Did he not care about FF at all then? Why not say that he didn't want to do it either? Or was he just in it for the money? Not that this film made much anyway.

His concerns for Akira sounds just like our concerns for Fant4stic. Yet that whole movie was just a passing nod to the comics, which is why it truly was FFINO.

 

[Flint Marko]

Matthew Vaughn and Mark Millar (several months prior to release): "It's good" Translation "It's terrible"

Remember how certain people jumped down our throats for pointing out that the producer saying "it's good" is not a glowing endorsement? Hilarious.

 

[Web-Head]

Oh, there was a big premier event, all right. It was ridiculous. They had celebrities in attendance that all tweeted about how great the movie was and everything (Dwight Howard, for example). The cast did a red carpet thing, too. That they apparently didn't actually stick around to watch the film is pretty damning.

I remember that. Dwight Howard probably got paid to tweet that garbage.

 

[Flint Marko]

Oh, there was a big premier event, all right. It was ridiculous. They had celebrities in attendance that all tweeted about how great the movie was and everything (Dwight Howard, for example). The cast did a red carpet thing, too. That they apparently didn't actually stick around to watch the film is pretty damning.

Holy cow, I didn't know this but I looked it up and you're right:

https://moststylish.wordpress.com/2015/08/05/red-carpet-the-fantastic-four-new-york-premiere/

So once the cameras turned off, they said "peace", and just left. That's... fantastic.

 

[Tymminator]

Didn't Faraci say a sequel was happening no matter what? I wonder what his spin will be now.

 

[The Infernal]

I like Kebbell. Guy seems like a class act. Too bad he's been tainted by this travesty of a movie.

I doubt Kebbell has much to worry about. During the production people were generally upbeat about him even if they didn't like his portrayal. He still has decent cred. He seems more worried about how Doom may affect his career, but so few people actually saw it that it's not worth worrying about.

 

[AndrewGilkison]

I don't care what Faraci or Drew McWeenie says. This movie is not getting a sequel. When the head of Fox singles it out in a shareholder meeting for being a bomb, you know a sequel is out of the question.

 

[Eddie]

Since crossover movies can totally be done without approval from the rights holder (Kinberg says so, guys, we're totally getting Fantastic Four v X-Men: Dawn of Leather) they should do a crossover between Fant4stic and Dragonball Evolution. That's a totally sound business decision!

 

[chamber-music]

I don't see any of these actors wanting to come back for this movie. People stayed away from the first film and most of those that saw it didn't like it.

Making a sequel would be pouring money down the drain and destroying any credibility or viability the property has left.

A crossover at this point would hurt their profitable X-Men brand. Batman and Superman being in a movie together is a draw. All these Marvel characters coming together in one big movie that was the Avengers was a draw. The FF and X-Men being together in a film is is not a draw for most people.

It isn't even like they have a older cast of the FF so they can do a Franklin Richards storyline.

 

[Eddie]

The crossover was always a ridiculous notion. For one thing, even if they could do it they'd presumably have to give Marvel the Fantastic Four box office split, which is way higher than X-Men. Yeah, let's waste a film on Fassbender's contract for a movie that will make LESS profit than using him in an X-Men standalone.

 

[starscream22]

Whenever we read any comments from anybody associated with this we have to remember that everything about any film and production, from the moment it's green-lit until at least a year after release is: "Great" "Fantastic" "Amazing" etc. . . . even when it's not.

That's why Trank's simple comment that he had something better was so shocking. We all know there are many directors who feel they could have done something better with less studio interference, more money etc. but they can't say that.

The people associated with these films are public figures who are selling their film 24/7. You never hear a salesman say: "The product I'm trying to sell you isn't great."

Here are some translations for things we've read over the past year:

Matthew Vaughn and Mark Millar (several months prior to release): "It's good" Translation "It's terrible"

Simon Kinberg (a few days before release): "It's not a disaster" Translation "This is a complete disaster. Thank God I've already got a few other projects going or I'd have trouble finding new work."

Miles Teller (a few days before release): "This is not a movie we're going to go on (review website) Rotten Tomatoes and it's going to be at 80 or 90 per cent." Translation "This a really bad film that will likely be remembered alongside bombs like Catwoman and Batman & Robin."

Toby Kebbel: "I don't know if I learned anything from Doom apart from perhaps when I see something I don't agree with, to voice that immediately." Translation "I apologize to the fans who know, as I do, Doom could have and should have been done much better than this script and director allowed."

Kate Mara: "I didn't see it . . . neither did the rest of the world." Translation "What a mess. I'm embarrassed to have been a part of that. I hope Josh Trank kills himself, goes straight to hell and spends eternity being sodomized by an extremely well-hung demon."

Oh....My....God!

 

[Quasar]

I hope all those awesome quotes will be on the DVD box. Maybe they could add one on the end from a FFINO supporter: "These quotes aren't red flags that the movie sucks!"