Feige on Fox/Disney Deal

[sleekstereo]

Couldn't find the original thread, so thought I create a new one for debate.

From his interview with Vulture:

On finding out about the deal:

I read about it in the press like most people did,” Feige operates at a level of humility that is unusual for a top Hollywood executive, but I had to press him on that answer: Disney chairman Alan Horn hadn’t called to fill him in on the merger? Not even an email, like, “Hey buddy, guess what we’re up to?”

“These are big deals,” Feige insisted, “and certainly above my pay grade.”

“The truth of the matter as I understand it is the deal has to be figured out,” “There’s been no communication. We’re not thinking about it. We’re focusing on everything we’ve already announced. If and when the deal actually happens, we’ll start to think more about it. Until then, we have a lot to do.”

On when we will see the characters in the MCU:

“It would be years away,” Feige cautioned. “We’ve announced everything through 2019, so none of those would be adjusted. I think about it through 2019, through the movies we’ve already shot or are about to start filming,” said Feige. “I’m hoping to deliver on everything we’ve promised thus far.”

http://www.vulture.com/2018/01/kevi..._campaign=vulture&utm_source=tw&utm_medium=s1

 

[Detective Conan]

This is to be expected. Feige's comments are very circumspect as it's still something in the process of being approved--unlike the deal with Sony where they got immediate and guaranteed access to the characters, this is a merger that will take quite a long time( they won't get access to those characters until mid-2019) to be implemented. Plus, he's already has hands full with the characters he already has access to so it's not at the forefront of his mind right now. If you ask him what his plans are for FF and X-Men now he wouldn't really be able to tell you since it's still so early.

 

[JP]

Pretty much what I suspected. This deal was made by the folks at the very top. People liked Fiege, or the people at FOX have to keep operating as if nothing has changed... because technically nothing has changed. If/When the deal goes through, that's when things can start moving.

 

[sleekstereo]

This is to be expected. Feige's comments are very circumspect as it's still something in the process of being approved--unlike the deal with Sony where they got immediate and guaranteed access to the characters, this is a merger that will take quite a long time( they won't get access to those characters until mid-2019) to be implemented. Plus, he already has hands full with the characters he already has access to so it's not at the forefront of his mind right now. If you ask him what his plans are for FF and X-Men now he wouldn't really be able to tell you since it's still so early.

My guess is that we'll see the films coming out in Phase 4 at Comic-Con this year, which means that Marvel Studios still won't have those characters when they announce the slate. We know that Homecoming 2 is the first movie out of Phase 4 along with Guardians 3 at some point in 2020.

We'll probably won't see a Fantastic 4 film or new MCU X-Men until the end of Phase 4 or even Phase 5.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

“It would be years away,” Feige cautioned. “We’ve announced everything through 2019, so none of those would be adjusted. I think about it through 2019, through the movies we’ve already shot or are about to start filming,” said Feige. “I’m hoping to deliver on everything we’ve promised thus far.”

That tells us nothing. The deal won't go through until 2019 anyways, so they can't use them even if they wanted to.

 

[Zarex]

I would be surprised if we didnt get a tease of the expanded MCU in the Avengers 4 post credit scene.

 

[Pennywise]

Not surprising, but hopefully the deal goes through in 2019!

 

[Silver Surfer]

Sure Fiege, we believe you.

 

[ADollarADay]

He's definitely playing coy. I believe he knew about the deal.

That said, though, it goes together with what Jim Hill was saying in one of his podcasts. Basically he said that Feige's guidance is to behave like nothing's happened since the deal can still fall through. His wording in the the interview (i.e. "It would be years away") gives some weight to Hill's claim.

 

[Kuwolski]

Yeah, dude is slow rolling.

 

[Webfoot Hero]

Feige has thought about them before but likely is saying these things so people don't disappointed should the deal fall apart for whatever reasons.

 

[JJ Hall]

No surprises here, though I see some are still letting wishful thinking guide their expectations.

I would be surprised if we didnt get a tease of the expanded MCU in the Avengers 4 post credit scene.

Probably nothing I type will make an impact if Feige's statements get outright ignored, but for the reachable among the integration truthers:

1. Marvel Studios wouldn't be allowed to work with Fox's assets pre-transfer even if they wanted since the deal may get dragged out for years or fall apart altogether. No one expects that to happen currently, but why would Disney take the risk?

2. Their current slate up to Avengers 4 was announced in 2014, so MS certainly has its plans for their 2020, 2021, and 2022 films set; they just haven't announced them yet. We'll see the X-Men and FF, but don't count on them getting the Spider-Man "NOW RIGHT NOW NOW NOW NOW" treatment.

3. For those hostile to the Fox X-Men, I'm sure seeing that franchise summarily dispatched, complete with Kinberg and Donner being escorted from the building carrying their stuff out with them in cardboard boxes, is a nice fantasy, but that isn't likely how it will play out. When the transfer of assets takes place Disney will inform 20th Century that they need to wrap up their X-Men franchise and Lauren Shuler Donner will pitch her new bosses on how that should be done. Feige will likely have an important, maybe pivotal, role in what is agreed to. My own tentative expectation as of this moment is a final main team film in the Fox universe that celebrates the twenty-year series, establishes that the adventures of their X-Men happen in one of many alternate universes, and that Deadpool (who is crossing over despite the time gap because shut up) sees through all the in-universe technobabble (and will appear in the MCU because shut up). It makes more moneysense for Disney to have the Fox X-Men films end rather than just stop, is what I'm saying.

That probably makes me sound like more of a fan of the Fox X-Men than I am, but oh well. Aim your flamethrowers this way, people.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

No surprises here, though I see some are still letting wishful thinking guide their expectations.





Probably nothing I type will make an impact if Feige's statements get outright ignored, but for the reachable among the integration truthers:

1. Marvel Studios wouldn't be allowed to work with Fox's assets pre-transfer even if they wanted since the deal may get dragged out for years or fall apart altogether. No one expects that to happen currently, but why would Disney take the risk?

Marvel can easily film a 30 second clip today that references Victor Von Doom or Galactus or Silver Surfer or Reed Richards etc, and then either include that scene in the final edit for Avengers 4 or not depending on if the rights have cleared.

To not be thinking about and doing things like that would short-sighted.

Kevin Feige isn't short-sighted. He has mentioned before creating "contingencies", and we saw how quickly Spidey showed up in Civil War after they got the rights.

Anyone who reads his "awe shucks, I'm just a country lawyer who doesn't understand these things" and believes it's 100% factual hasn't been paying any attention.

 

[JP]

No surprises here, though I see some are still letting wishful thinking guide their expectations.





Probably nothing I type will make an impact if Feige's statements get outright ignored, but for the reachable among the integration truthers:

1. Marvel Studios wouldn't be allowed to work with Fox's assets pre-transfer even if they wanted since the deal may get dragged out for years or fall apart altogether. No one expects that to happen currently, but why would Disney take the risk?

2. Their current slate up to Avengers 4 was announced in 2014, so MS certainly has its plans for their 2020, 2021, and 2022 films set; they just haven't announced them yet. We'll see the X-Men and FF, but don't count on them getting the Spider-Man "NOW RIGHT NOW NOW NOW NOW" treatment.

3. For those hostile to the Fox X-Men, I'm sure seeing that franchise summarily dispatched, complete with Kinberg and Donner being escorted from the building carrying their stuff out with them in cardboard boxes, is a nice fantasy, but that isn't likely how it will play out. When the transfer of assets takes place Disney will inform 20th Century that they need to wrap up their X-Men franchise and Lauren Shuler Donner will pitch her new bosses on how that should be done. Feige will likely have an important, maybe pivotal, role in what is agreed to. My own tentative expectation as of this moment is a final main team film in the Fox universe that celebrates the twenty-year series, establishes that the adventures of their X-Men happen in one of many alternate universes, and that Deadpool (who is crossing over despite the time gap because shut up) sees through all the in-universe technobabble (and will appear in the MCU because shut up). It makes more moneysense for Disney to have the Fox X-Men films end rather than just stop, is what I'm saying.

That probably makes me sound like more of a fan of the Fox X-Men than I am, but oh well. Aim your flamethrowers this way, people.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Did you guys really expect him to reveal his master plan? I didn't.

 

[Dark Raven]

He's probably legally not allowed to say anything or it could get him and other people at Disney (and Fox) in trouble. There probably can't be any appearance of even thinking of dabbling in each others' assets.

And how could Feige be completely surprised by it and not even know of the merger coming up and being officially announced? Everyone else who has read any news knew about this at least a week or more before the announcement. Was he living under a rock? I think not. So I wouldn't take him completely at face value that he only woke up one day and found out about it in the news.

That's the sort of thing that someone living pre-internet age would do if they just happened to find out one day that there was a Marvel movie coming out because they saw movie posters for it on a billboard or bus stop.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

He's probably legally not allowed to say anything or it could get him and other people at Disney (and Fox) in trouble. There probably can't be any appearance of even thinking of dabbling in each others' assets.

And how could Feige be completely surprised by it and not even know of the merger coming up and being officially announced? Everyone else who has read any news knew about this at least a week or more before the announcement. Was he living under a rock? I think not. So I wouldn't take him completely at face value that he only woke up one day and found out about it in the news.

That's the sort of thing that someone living pre-internet age would do if they just happened to find out one day that there was a Marvel movie coming out because they saw movie posters for it on a billboard or bus stop.

Exactly. He has three obvious, big reasons to play it a little coy:

1. He wants people focused on Black Panther, Captain Marvel and Infinity Wars rather than what may happen in the future.

2. He is prohibited, by law, from conferring with people at Fox, so he doesn't want to present even the slightest hint that he's doing that.

3. He doesn't want to ruin any surprises regarding upcoming announcements, after-credits scenes etc.

Let's not forget that in 2015, when there was no real reason to believe they would be getting any rights back soon, Feige said:

this has been a dream of ours for a long time, and we always had contingency plans should you know — which we always do anyways. Are we going to be able to make another movie with this actor? If we are then we’ll do this, if not, we’re going to do this. If we get the rights to a certain character that’d be great, then we’d do this, if not, we’d do this. So we always sort of operate with those alternate timelines available and are ready to shift if something happens.

http://www.slashfilm.com/marvel-contingency-plans/

So Feige (and some people around here) want us to believe that even though he was making contingency plans in 2015, now that he could literally be within months of getting all the rights back and everything changing, he hasn't given it any thought.

Huh?

Not only does that strain credulity, but it would be grossly negligent for a person in his position to not be planning for what happens after.

 

[Willie Lumpkin]

And doesn't anybody else find this statement interesting:


“It would be years away,” Feige cautioned. “We’ve announced everything through 2019, so none of those would be adjusted. I think about it through 2019, through the movies we’ve already shot or are about to start filming,” said Feige. “I’m hoping to deliver on everything we’ve promised thus far.”

Yeah, 2021 is technically "years away", but what films are we getting in 2021 from Marvel and Fox?

In 2014, five years before its release, Marvel told us we'd be getting Captain Marvel.

Now we don't even know what's happening 3 years from now. Feige and Marvel have a HUGE amount of flexibility to start using new characters in the coming years in their own films or along with existing characters.

Could Guardians of the Galaxy 3 include Silver Surfer? Sure. Why not? They might have to some scrambling, but if Spidey was able to appear in Civil War, SS could appear in GOTG 3.

 

[Boom]

I read about it in the press like most people did.

These are big deals, and certainly above my pay grade.

The truth of the matter as I understand it is the deal has to be figured out... There’s been no communication. We’re not thinking about it. We’re focusing on everything we’ve already announced. If and when the deal actually happens, we’ll start to think more about it. Until then, we have a lot to do.

 

[Zarex]

1. Marvel Studios wouldn't be allowed to work with Fox's assets pre-transfer even if they wanted since the deal may get dragged out for years or fall apart altogether. No one expects that to happen currently, but why would Disney take the risk?

The overwhelming majority of analysts suspect the deal will take between 12-18 months to close. Avengers 4 will release 17 months after the announcement. Do the math.

Disney/Marvel and FOX have been in a multi decade relationship and celebrate the silver anniversary of their partnership in 2018. They have cut deals involving character rights and have extended their licensing agreement to television. There's been no indication that either side has to cease all communication for the next year and one half. I suspect other deals will take place before the acquisition is completed.

3. For those hostile to the Fox X-Men, I'm sure seeing that franchise summarily dispatched, complete with Kinberg and Donner being escorted from the building carrying their stuff out with them in cardboard boxes, is a nice fantasy, but that isn't likely how it will play out. When the transfer of assets takes place Disney will inform 20th Century that they need to wrap up their X-Men franchise and Lauren Shuler Donner will pitch her new bosses on how that should be done. Feige will likely have an important, maybe pivotal, role in what is agreed to. My own tentative expectation as of this moment is a final main team film in the Fox universe that celebrates the twenty-year series, establishes that the adventures of their X-Men happen in one of many alternate universes, and that Deadpool (who is crossing over despite the time gap because shut up) sees through all the in-universe technobabble (and will appear in the MCU because shut up). It makes more moneysense for Disney to have the Fox X-Men films end rather than just stop, is what I'm saying.

And you're accusing others of wishful thinking?

We can expect the X-Men and FF transition to look an awful lot like the Spidey transition. The existing series is abruptly ended, a new MCU series is announced, and the existing producers get gold watches for many years of exemplary service.

 

[marvelrobbins]

No surprises here, though I see some are still letting wishful thinking guide their expectations.





Probably nothing I type will make an impact if Feige's statements get outright ignored, but for the reachable among the integration truthers:

1. Marvel Studios wouldn't be allowed to work with Fox's assets pre-transfer even if they wanted since the deal may get dragged out for years or fall apart altogether. No one expects that to happen currently, but why would Disney take the risk?

2. Their current slate up to Avengers 4 was announced in 2014, so MS certainly has its plans for their 2020, 2021, and 2022 films set; they just haven't announced them yet. We'll see the X-Men and FF, but don't count on them getting the Spider-Man "NOW RIGHT NOW NOW NOW NOW" treatment.

3. For those hostile to the Fox X-Men, I'm sure seeing that franchise summarily dispatched, complete with Kinberg and Donner being escorted from the building carrying their stuff out with them in cardboard boxes, is a nice fantasy, but that isn't likely how it will play out. When the transfer of assets takes place Disney will inform 20th Century that they need to wrap up their X-Men franchise and Lauren Shuler Donner will pitch her new bosses on how that should be done. Feige will likely have an important, maybe pivotal, role in what is agreed to. My own tentative expectation as of this moment is a final main team film in the Fox universe that celebrates the twenty-year series, establishes that the adventures of their X-Men happen in one of many alternate universes, and that Deadpool (who is crossing over despite the time gap because shut up) sees through all the in-universe technobabble (and will appear in the MCU because shut up). It makes more moneysense for Disney to have the Fox X-Men films end rather than just stop, is what I'm saying.

That probably makes me sound like more of a fan of the Fox X-Men than I am, but oh well. Aim your flamethrowers this way, people.

almost everything says sale assuming it is approved and aloowed by government it would most likely be june 2019 till it does. and that would
mean june 2019 at earlies before feige could begain making plans for x-men
reboot including introducing x related hcaracters

now assuming gambit finds new director and meets the june 2019 release date there are likely 3 other films that could be made before reboot

X-force-this is one most likely since it appaears like it is likely to be into
production before june 2019
x-men sequel-rumor had been dark phoenix is actully two part film with part 2 begining filming in summer or dark phoenix production partly filmed stuff for part 2 and addation material will be filmed this summer.now that ay be bs but if dp turns out well fox may approve sequel and come june 2019 they allow Kinberg,donner,and team to finish film
deadpool 3-after x-force complete deadpool trilogy

while many here hoping sale means Kinberg never works again it's more likely he will work more on lucasfilm and other projects and if dark phoenix turns out well could end directing a star wars film In future.

Donner will undoudtly like Michael uslan and his partner on batman film and avi arad on spider-man HOmecoming get meanless executive producer credit on all X-men and X-men related films. and if legion and gifted continue past season 2 may continue to be activly involved there.

assuming once he gets access Feige quickly moves on using x-men it could be 2021 or 2022 before reboot comes.however it could be longer than that because X-men is at mercy of the plans of mcu after sale approved and finalzed.

 

[Marvel united]

The overwhelming majority of analysts suspect the deal will take between 12-18 months to close. Avengers 4 will release 17 months after the announcement. Do the math.

Disney/Marvel and FOX have been in a multi decade relationship and celebrate the silver anniversary of their partnership in 2018. They have cut deals involving character rights and have extended their licensing agreement to television. There's been no indication that either side has to cease all communication for the next year and one half. I suspect other deals will take place before the acquisition is completed.


And you're accusing others of wishful thinking?

We can expect the X-Men and FF transition to look an awful lot like the Spidey transition. The existing series is abruptly ended, a new MCU series is announced, and the existing producers get gold watches for many years of exemplary service.

 

[Marvel united]

I could see the Dark Phoenix touting itself as "witness the end" type film

 

[marvelrobbins]

The overwhelming majority of analysts suspect the deal will take between 12-18 months to close. Avengers 4 will release 17 months after the announcement. Do the math.


We can expect the X-Men and FF transition to look an awful lot like the Spidey transition. The existing series is abruptly ended, a new MCU series is announced, and the existing producers get gold watches for many years of exemplary service.

For once you and i actully agree on one thing.XMCU is ended for MCU reboot.KInberg goes over to lucasfilms and poentaly other disney divison.remember he is executive producer on Designed Survivor.Donner gets meanless executive Producer credit on x-men related projects just like Avi Arad did on homecoming.

 

[Iceman]

And doesn't anybody else find this statement interesting:


“It would be years away,” Feige cautioned. “We’ve announced everything through 2019, so none of those would be adjusted. I think about it through 2019, through the movies we’ve already shot or are about to start filming,” said Feige. “I’m hoping to deliver on everything we’ve promised thus far.”

Yeah, 2021 is technically "years away", but what films are we getting in 2021 from Marvel and Fox?

In 2014, five years before its release, Marvel told us we'd be getting Captain Marvel.

Now we don't even know what's happening 3 years from now. Feige and Marvel have a HUGE amount of flexibility to start using new characters in the coming years in their own films or along with existing characters.

Could Guardians of the Galaxy 3 include Silver Surfer? Sure. Why not? They might have to some scrambling, but if Spidey was able to appear in Civil War, SS could appear in GOTG 3.

What Marvel have shown is that they are very flexible even in the face of a situation where the use of certain characters is up in the air.