FF 2 Rate and Review Thread

[Tony Stark]

Personally I liked both SM3 and FF:RotSS.

There is a certain group think among critics, and that's why they hate FF:RotSS. I think there's an exaustion in the media to these type of films, yet hollywood keeps pushing them out because they're almost guaranteed money makers (save the Hulk).

Considering the FF aren't nearly as popular in the comic world as Spidey, Wolverine, Superman or Batman, I consider these films a big success.

They put out a half assed Superman film and it still made 200 mill. A great Superman film could probably make Spidey money, but the point is, the name recognition alone puts money in the bank for some of these films.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

SM3 got mixed reviews, just like this film and X-Men: The Last Stand. The last CBM that got high critical faves was Superman Returns...yet it's interesting that vast majority of folks I know here (and off-line) thought it was weak.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Personally I liked both SM3 and FF:RotSS.

There is a certain group think among critics, and that's why they hate FF:RotSS. I think there's an exaustion in the media to these type of films, yet hollywood keeps pushing them out because they're almost guaranteed money makers (save the Hulk).

Considering the FF aren't nearly as popular in the comic world as Spidey, Wolverine, Superman or Batman, I consider these films a big success.

They put out a half assed Superman film and it still made 200 mill. A great Superman film could probably make Spidey money, but the point is, the name recognition alone puts money in the bank for some of these films.

They really hate it because they are educated to look for character development, cinamtograhpy, dialogue and suchlike, rather than what the masses tend to look for, the "cool" factor if you will.

 

[Kelly]

They really hate it because they are educated to look for character development, cinamtograhpy, dialogue and suchlike, rather than what the masses tend to look for, the "cool" factor if you will.

I could venture to say, that ALL and I mean ALL, that rated it a B or above here on this forum, myself included, are not shallow enough to ONLY look for the "cool" factor as you put it to rate this movie. WE ALSO, looked at all you have listed, and found it to be a "B" or above.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I could venture to say, that ALL and I mean ALL, that rated it a B or above here on this forum, myself included, are not shallow enough to ONLY look for the "cool" factor as you put it to rate this movie. WE ALSO, looked at all you have listed, and found it to be a "B" or above.

I apologize, I didn't mean to upset you at all, have a : .

I merely meant that special effects and basic aethetic values and suchlike are held in a much lower reagrd among critics than the general public, and they are exposed to a wider and more varied level of cinema, which helps them asses the merits of the characters, narrative and cinematography due to a bigger comparative spectrum.

 

[DACrowe]

I'd say this movie appeals to fans in it does have a fun factor that is more faithful to the '60s comics than other adaptations and has more eye candy and slightly (and I do mean slighlty) better portrayals of the characters from the firs tmovie.

For mindless summer popcorn fun, this is a cool way to blow 90 minutes. But crtics looks for artistic value. That is what my last post was about. I kept my opinion out of it for the most part to explain the critical difference. SM3 was a movie made by an auteur who wanted to say something and has unique flourishes of creativity and his stamp all over it.

FF was a studio committee movie that doesn't have the touch of "human hands" as said by a cited critic.

Again, I'm keeping my IMO out right now because I played htis game last week and almost got lynched in Marvel Films.

 

[Kelly]

I apologize, I didn't mean to upset you at all, have a : .

I merely meant that special effects and basic aethetic values and suchlike are held in a much lower reagrd among critics than the general public, and they are exposed to a wider and more varied level of cinema, which helps them asses the merits of the characters, narrative and cinematography due to a bigger comparative spectrum.

The first I would agree....

The other simply removes them further away from the general public in their reviews, and therefore, to me, makes their reviews less valid, rather than more valid than my own, or those that have given their reviews here whether negative or positive toward the movie.....

I apologize as well in my retort to you, I tend to take the people that have shared with us their reviews as very important here, and your post seemed to devalue their thoughts.....I can be a mother bear at times....

 

[Orko Is King]

Galactus sucked ass but the rest was pretty good. Definately an improvement over the 1st movie.

 

[Cyrusbales]

The first I would agree....

The other simply removes them further away from the general public in their reviews, and therefore, to me, makes their reviews less valid, rather than more valid than my own, or those that have given their reviews here whether negative or positive toward the movie.....

I apologize as well in my retort to you, I tend to take the people that have shared with us their reviews as very important here, and your post seemed to devalue their thoughts.....I can be a mother bear at times....

Well I spend my time with critics and that sort of people, so I share a lot of veiws with them, by the way, Mark Kermode is a ****! Sorry, had to be said, I do not like the man, he's rather rude indeed! His wife is lovely though (as a person).

But yeah, I express my views passionately, but I always refrain from offending people directly, I'll glady retract and rephrase something if I think it's annoyed someone, at the end of the day, we all come here for fun, if we keep that in mind, the world turns nicely .

Not my fault I just have better taste....

 

[DACrowe]

I think all opinions are valid. I do not think a critic's opinion is more valued because they have been educated intensely and studied it more.

At the same time, however, I do not feel that a movie critic's opinion is less valid for seeing more things out of mainstream. It is just a view with a deeper background in cinema and I think an interesting one to be taken on the whole with many critics (albeit I hate it when some write reviews in advance and have egos quite large).

I also don't take to insulting critics regularly because when they like a movie one likes they tend to be praised around her though.

 

[Kelly]

I think all opinions are valid. I do not think a critic's opinion is more valued because they have been educated intensely and studied it more.

At the same time, however, I do not feel that a movie critic's opinion is less valid for seeing more things out of mainstream. It is just a view with a deeper background in cinema and I think an interesting one to be taken on the whole with many critics (albeit I hate it when some write reviews in advance and have egos quite large).

I also don't take to insulting critics regularly because when they like a movie one likes they tend to be praised around her though.

I probably could have stated it better....

I think that, as has been stated, critics watch a movie through different eyes than the mainstream...(I happen to be a part of that mainstream) so I usually don't read reviews, I simply go to the movie and make my own mind up....) My favorite movie so far in the last 5 years or so has been "Crash", and I'm sure was hailed as "the best" by critics....but my opinion of that movie, had nothing to do with them, it had everything to do with my viewing of it, and loved it.

You will not find an insult of critics from me, unless you take my not caring what they say as an insult.... .... and yes you are correct, as on any movie forum, critics that love the movie of the forum will probably be praised more than those that don't.....but thats not really surprisng to me.

 

[GhostPoet]

I really enjoyed the first film and the second. That's the only opinion that matters to me.

 

[Primal Slayer]

I loved the film, it was above average and a step up from the 1st movie. Everyone got just about equal screen time and they showcased the powers and team work very well. And Albas wig looks like a horriable in photos but onscreen it looks very good.

Even though Galatacus wasnt to most peoples likings I didnt mind it. Since the SS is probably getting his own film, they could always create an image for him if they want but showcasing him as a massive cloud or whatever was fine with me.

 

[Cyrusbales]

BTW, noticed a MASSIVE issue with the film, at the wedding, they are supposedly famous celebrities etc, yet they are drinking "Moet & Chandon Brut Impireal"? Seriously, it's like cheap and pretty bland champagne, not even the moet vintage, really stupid there!

 

[X-Maniac]

BTW, noticed a MASSIVE issue with the film, at the wedding, they are supposedly famous celebrities etc, yet they are drinking "Moet & Chandon Brut Impireal"? Seriously, it's like cheap and pretty bland champagne, not even the moet vintage, really stupid there!

If that's 'MASSIVE' then I think you need to get a life. You're living in some sort of bubble where you imagine you are better than others and that some things are more important than they really are. Your avatar says you are in a lonely place and I can well believe you are lonely.

As for you 'hanging round with critics', what a load of rubbish. Critics don't hang around together anywhere. The only place they ever gather is at movie screenings where none of them really talk to each other that much. I should know - I am a critic. And a published writer. And a trained journalist with higher education qualifications in media, politics and law (and 200 words per minute shorthand!). Very nice too that i met the stars of the movie.

All that being said, I enjoyed FF2 and it does not make me inferior to you.
You are trying to put yourself on some sort of pedestal, but it ain't working.

 

[Cyrusbales]

If that's 'MASSIVE' then I think you need to get a life. You're living in some sort of bubble where you imagine you are better than others and that some things are more important than they really are. Your avatar says you are in a lonely place and I can well believe you are lonely.

As for you 'hanging round with critics', what a load of rubbish. Critics don't hang around together anywhere. The only place they ever gather is at movie screenings where none of them really talk to each other that much. I should know - I am a critic. And a published writer. And a trained journalist with higher education qualifications in media, politics and law (and 200 words per minute shorthand!). Very nice too that i met the stars of the movie.

All that being said, I enjoyed FF2 and it does not make me inferior to you.
You are trying to put yourself on some sort of pedestal, but it ain't working.

I was having a laugh with the whole moet thing.

Critics don't hang around, but they do come together at festivals, I have a few freinds who are critics etc, obviously not all my friends, but people with similar interests attract each other, hence my friend group.

In a lonely place is a classic film noir, one of the best in fact.

I didn't mean to say anything to upset you, I think we may have had some mis-communication.

 

[X-Maniac]

I was having a laugh with the whole moet thing.

Critics don't hang around, but they do come together at festivals, I have a few freinds who are critics etc, obviously not all my friends, but people with similar interests attract each other, hence my friend group.

In a lonely place is a classic film noir, one of the best in fact.

I didn't mean to say anything to upset you, I think we may have had some mis-communication.

I don't think there has been any miscommunication. You have yet to enter into proper communication in which you lay down constructive arguments for or against the movie, or any movie. You simply make pompous pronouncements that are not backed up. And snide comments about 'animal porn' were condescending and bordering on offensive.

Popular culture does exist. I am as entitled to enjoy Madonna as I am to enjoy Mahler. I am as entitled to dance in a techno club as I am to eat at the poshest restaurant. I am as entitled to watch Big Brother reality TV as I am to enjoy a high-brow political documentary.

Entertainment spans a spectrum. You just don't seem to be aware of it.

 

[Cyrusbales]

I laid forth my arguements as to why it is a poor film, and it's predicatability dampened the enjoyment factor for me. I gave fuill examples earlier defining what I didn't like and why, which is a far more detailed accoutn than most have given. So I don't see why I'm being singled out as condescending. Yes I have tried to delve into other arguements as to the nature of entertainment etc, but all in curiosity and development.

 

[X-Maniac]

I laid forth my arguements as to why it is a poor film, and it's predicatability dampened the enjoyment factor for me. I gave fuill examples earlier defining what I didn't like and why, which is a far more detailed accoutn than most have given. So I don't see why I'm being singled out as condescending. Yes I have tried to delve into other arguements as to the nature of entertainment etc, but all in curiosity and development.

Very few movies are not predictable in some way. There are only eight basic story types to be told. But now I'm going into screenwriting theory.

I thought the movie did well to tie in the Surfer to the reawakening of Doom and the transmuting of Doom back to human form, thus allowing the donning of armour more like the comicbook Doom. Nicely done to 'correct' the criticisms of Doom in the first movie, and tie him into the plot in a way that didn't seem clunky or contrived.

The first movie does have its weak spots, for sure. I watched the new Extended Edition last night. It now serves, though, to set up the characters for this second movie. Not everyone will like the approach taken with the story. But I thought this second movie was better than the first by miles.

Now that you have stated your dislike for the movie, and apparently argued it elsewhere, what more is there for you to gain from this forum? You've made your mind up on it.

 

[Cyrusbales]

Very few movies are not predictable in some way. There are only eight basic story types to be told. But now I'm going into screenwriting theory.

I thought the movie did well to tie in the Surfer to the reawakening of Doom and the transmuting of Doom back to human form, thus allowing the donning of armour more like the comicbook Doom. Nicely done to 'correct' the criticisms of Doom in the first movie, and tie him into the plot in a way that didn't seem clunky or contrived.

The first movie does have its weak spots, for sure. I watched the new Extended Edition last night. It now serves, though, to set up the characters for this second movie. Not everyone will like the approach taken with the story. But I thought this second movie was better than the first by miles.

Now that you have stated your dislike for the movie, and apparently argued it elsewhere, what more is there for you to gain from this forum? You've made your mind up on it.

I agree on the bold part, I was actually quite excited when doom was in his castle.

I like to stay here and discuss, same as you and others,

 

[SFII]

this movie was way better than the first one.
i enjoyed the action, and i was even suprised how well the Silver Surfer translated onto the big screen. it was really cool.
i'm not really a fan of the actor who plays Reed Richards. he just doesn't seem right for the role. he seems too un-rememberable.
and i didn't like Jessica Alba in the first movie, but i liked her much better actually in this movie. she did well. and she looked very hot.
The Thing was alright. but he's just kindof annoying.
the guy who plays Johnny Storm seems like he's not quite convincing enough to be the character. i mean, it seems like he's just slightly under-outgoing enough for the part. he could standout and be more likeable by the fans(us), but he seems like he's holding back to not over-shadow the other characters.

anyway, the plot was interesting. the action was good. the different scenerys were awesome. the cgi was cool. and the abundance of hot chicks was pleasantly distracting!

 

[Lobo]

I saw it last week, now here's my review

Now to begin I'll comment on the first FF movie, I didn't hate it like many I've seen here thought it was an average film, so using that as a base; I thought this one was better, thanks in no small part to the Silver Surfer, who was superbly portrayed by Doug Jones, and brilliantly voiced by Laurence Fishburne. I thought everything was stepped up, the story, the fx (minus Reed dancing), the actiing etc. Reed was given more to do thankfully and I liked how Ioan handled it. I enjoyed Ben in the first and wished he was given more to do this go around, maybe throw a punch at the Surfer or something. Johnny Storm is the role Chris Evans was born to play, he stole the show in the first movie, and has very cool moments again, and shows that Johnny is more than a arrogant Jackass my only fanboy nitpick is that his hair wasnt blonde. Jessica Alba again was the weak link IMO, she looked hot but just doesn't quite fit IMO. Doom was wasted again but after the first I wasn't expecting much. I was disappointed in Galactus but he was hinted at and hopefully we get to see him in all his glory in the Surfer film. All in all I thought it was a fun popcorn action flick that i'll definitely be getting on DVD

 

[Kelly]

Well I spend my time with critics and that sort of people, so I share a lot of veiws with them, by the way, Mark Kermode is a ****! Sorry, had to be said, I do not like the man, he's rather rude indeed! His wife is lovely though (as a person).

But yeah, I express my views passionately, but I always refrain from offending people directly, I'll glady retract and rephrase something if I think it's annoyed someone, at the end of the day, we all come here for fun, if we keep that in mind, the world turns nicely .

Not my fault I just have better taste....

What the hell are you talking about, and why did you quote me....

 

[Disclaimer]

Okay, I just gotta say... there was almost nothing at all wrong with this film! More than any film I've ever seen, the bad reviews (particularly on RottenTomatoes.com) are completely unjustified.

Okay... perhaps the convenient destruction of Galactus was completely dumb and made no sense whatsoever... but, overall, I honestly couldn't pick a true fault in the film. In fact, I'd go as far as saying 'Fantastic Four: rise of the Silver Surfer' is one of the most enjoyable, solid comic-to-film adaptations yet!

And that's from someone who was thoroughly disappointed beyond belief at 'X-Men: The Last Stand' and 'Spider-Man 3', studied screenwriting and expects a high standard, ala 'Batman Begins' and 'X2'.

To me, it seems too many people are expecting highbrow drama from a property that's simply meant to be great fun!

As for the Galactus issues (and keep in mind I've not read all the above posts, so I apologise if I'm stating the obvious), I clearly - and I mean CLEARLY - saw the outline of the famed helmet among the cloud and fire. I honestly think it was the best possible representation. And, as for my nitpick about his destruction, perhaps he simply 'retreated'. I mean, who knows how large gaseous world destroyers behave? It seems just as likely he could have dissipated in retreat as it does that his own creation could destroy him so easily.

 

[DACrowe]

It's all opinion but I wouldn't criticize the screenplay to SM3 and praise FF:ROTSS which had just as many plot holes, more plot devices and a very shallowly told story.

But hey that's just my opinion.

Oh and I wasn't defending Spidey. More saying neither are innocent. FF2 is pretty to look at though.