FF2 Action scenes v Spidey 3's

[Spider-Fan]

It ain't gonna change.

This thread is in the FF forum. t:

I don't care if FF wins, I just don't want THAT sequence to win.

 

[November Rain]

Until Doom stood there and let Johnny beat him.

The fight was great up until the weak ending of it.

Doom was beaten too easily.

one could say doom took the beating because inevitably he could...

and he was probably still surprised by the range of attacks all coming from the same location..

he wasn't beaten as such, johnny's objective was to take out his device which he did and doom was too arogant to notice.

again with more time and a bigger budget, this could have been highlighted but i don't think they wanted the attention to stray from the REAL danger that was galactus so thats why they did it that way.

 

[Spider-Fan]

one could say doom took the beating because inevitably he could...

and he was probably still surprised by the range of attacks all coming from the same location..

he wasn't beaten as such, johnny's objective was to take out his device which he did and doom was too arogant to notice.

again with more time and a bigger budget, this could have been highlighted but i don't think they wanted the attention to stray from the REAL danger that was galactus so thats why they did it that way.

Doom just stood there, even when Johnny was in plain sight. That is weak. Also, with the power cosmic, simply wrapping around him shouldn't have worked.

It was just a weak ending to the fight.

Conversley, FF vs. Doom was awesome in the movie.

 

[SlyGuyTtjn]

I think both New Goblin fights, and the battle royal is better than any FF fight IMO.. FF fights were kinda lame, but they looked cool. There was more emotion, and personal stuff in the fights of SP3. Eye candy, and more.. death defying.. Parker got his assed kicked in Battle Royal, and he pwned Harry twice. I don't remember anyone of the FF having their life threatened that bad.. No tarnished clothes or anything.

EDIT: yeah Sue died, but it was soo quick. And Galactus counts as a big threat, but c'mon.. the FF just stood there "It's too late" I recall Reed saying.. So they were in danger, but not hurt at all (besides the Sue .. not even dead)

 

[hammerhedd11]

I agree completley^ The Spiderman 3 fights were so much more exciting.

 

[Yodaman]

I think overall the action in Spidey 3 was better than FF 2, but for individual scene I have to go with Surfing Doom vs the Fantasticar. Purely awesome action with a (finally) menacing Doom, great fx, and the Fantasticar. I smiled with glee during that scene. Probably mostly because of the (finally) cool Doom.

 

[Visionary]

Why is every comic book film measured against my beloved Spider's?

There are other freakin' comic book films out there you know...

 

[phillip phonix]

^^

yep but both films were out this year ... its only a bit of fun, relax man

 

[Casius--J]

Hard to choose one action scene as I liked them all. I would however have to vote for the spidey action scenes!

 

[LostSon88]

sm3 had $ 265 million budget NUFF SAID

Higher movie budgets have nothing to do with the level of action in a movie...Superman Returns made that very clear.

 

[DACrowe]

The Doom fihgt was okay...actually the chase was good but the fight sequence was kind of cheesy. Because at this point Doom knows they are not lying and Galactus (or a giant dust bowl) was crashing down around them and yet he chose to "have ALL THIS POWER" and let the world around him die. It made no sense and Johnny beat him way too easily.

Anyway, the best action sequence in FF2 was given away in the teaser trailer which was the amazing chase between the Human Torch and Silver Surfer. The London Eye and Black Wood Sequence were bland and poorly shot and edited.

Since this is a FF forum I"ll leave my dsicussion there.

I will say that on the whole SM3 had the better sequences and that the ariel fight between Peter and Harry at the beginning and the Battle Royale (despite the annoying newscaster) trumps anything in FF2.

But the Spidey vs. Doc Ock train fight in SM2 still is best, though.

 

[November Rain]

Ah c'mon, there were no real threatening encounters for spidey...

he easily beat harry twice...

he easily beat venom

he easily beat sandman once and the other time he didn't really try...

the only thing that was really a threat was sandman's bashing of him which ultimately had no effect on him physically.

I think what ultimately messes up spideys bout is the fact that you knew exactly that spidey was going to beat venom via sound and earlier that water would work against sandman.

As a tense scene with impeding doom, rise of the surfer nails it big time...There was always that sense of tension with trying to get the board back to the surfer soon enough so something could be done about galactus. When it was too late, then even more tension came into it.

 

[November Rain]

Doom just stood there, even when Johnny was in plain sight. That is weak. Also, with the power cosmic, simply wrapping around him shouldn't have worked.

It was just a weak ending to the fight.

Conversley, FF vs. Doom was awesome in the movie.

I understand doom didn't lay on an offensive but you have to remember this isn't just a normal wrap, this is potentially a reeds wrapp with ben's strength and a sue based force field to reinforce it all.

Maybe the surfer isn't actually as powerful as he seems when under the threat of a super skrull type person.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I understand doom didn't lay on an offensive but you have to remember this isn't just a normal wrap, this is potentially a reeds wrapp with ben's strength and a sue based force field to reinforce it all.

Maybe the surfer isn't actually as powerful as he seems when under the threat of a super skrull type person.

Two words:

Power Cosmic

Nuff said. Should not have been that easy. I don't care how strong that wrap was, the power cosmic makes the individual even stronger. If the Surfer the smack around the Super Skrull, then Doom should not have been beaten that easily.

Doom just got a bit jipped toward the end of the movie. This was really the only action moment that bothered me.

 

[November Rain]

doom got camera shy and froze possiblly due to arrogance of not being affected and secondly due to being stunned by the fact johnny had all their powers.

luckily that scene is pretty much all cgi, so it can be easily lengthened...

 

[Fantastic-Boy]

I'm curious for those scenes!

 

[Spider-Fan]

doom got camera shy and froze possiblly due to arrogance of not being affected and secondly due to being stunned by the fact johnny had all their powers.

luckily that scene is pretty much all cgi, so it can be easily lengthened...

He had more than enough time to obsorb that. They were fighting and he was hitting him with nearby stuff way before he hooked him.

Also, Doom seemed in pain and helpless when he was tied up, hence why his defeat his weak.

I liked the chase leading up to the climax in Shangai, but the Johnny vs. Doom battle just has an abrupt and simplistic ending that makes Doom look weak.

Doom needs to get more respect in the manner of his defeat. In FF, once all 4 show up, he basically gets smacked. In this, once Johnny has their powers (though Doom has more power than him easily), he gets smacked.

This fight should have been more impressive.

 

[phillip phonix]

your right about the last fight being more impressive, i will say its an improvement over the first films ending!

 

[November Rain]

He had more than enough time to obsorb that. They were fighting and he was hitting him with nearby stuff way before he hooked him.

Also, Doom seemed in pain and helpless when he was tied up, hence why his defeat his weak.

I liked the chase leading up to the climax in Shangai, but the Johnny vs. Doom battle just has an abrupt and simplistic ending that makes Doom look weak.

Doom needs to get more respect in the manner of his defeat. In FF, once all 4 show up, he basically gets smacked. In this, once Johnny has their powers (though Doom has more power than him easily), he gets smacked.

This fight should have been more impressive.

perhaps he wasn't able to summon as much power as the surfer could with his artificial device and that's why he wasn't as much of a menace as originally anticipated.

 

[Spider-Fan]

perhaps he wasn't able to summon as much power as the surfer could with his artificial device and that's why he wasn't as much of a menace as originally anticipated.

Things like that should not have to be specualted on. The script called for him to lose in a weak way. Had there been an excuse like that, it would have been said.

 

[Green Goblin 1964]

whoops, I read the thread wrong and i thought it said which had best action out of the two movies ......my vote does not count and FF's action was cruddy , Spidey's movies had the best superhero action ever IMO.

 

[DACrowe]

I think the problem with Doom's loss was it was just too simple and kind of bland. Johnny appears and beats him in a silly way and then Ben Grimm comeso ut and takes Doom out like a punk with the equipment. It was just silly. Doom should not go out like Boba Fett as a joke.

Also, I"d say while fewer lives were at stake in the Sidey fight the intensity of most of those fights (Harry's hate and later Peter's hate for each other, even though they are best friends; Peterr's rage against Sandman in the subway, etc.) put emotion into it so it wasn't silly.

Plus Raimi is a dynamic director. The scene in the subway was dynamic and exciting in the camera movements and the rush the audience felt as these two superhumans battled between the moving subway cars or following Spidey as he spider-monkeys through the parts of the track to come up behind Sandy.

And I'd say Venom's defeat was more difficult than Doom's. Venom beat the crap out of Spidey, defeated him and killed Harry in the process. If Harry hadn't sacrificed himself (and really sacrificed himself not a "Sue's dead (no one believes it)" sort of way) Peter would be a corpse. And Peter taking out Venom felt urgent and dangerous.

I don't think anyone felt Johnny was in danger of Cosmic Doom and it did feel a bit like a joke when Doom died. When Venom died you wanted to hear "mother ****ER!!!!!" (sorry Hot Fuzz reference).

I do agree the Galactus cloud bit was intense (the ONLY intense scene in the movie) where Surfer has to stop a stormy day, but as a comic fan I was so disappointed with that take on Galactus I honestly chad to take points off.

Alas.

 

[coreymb16]

It would be stupid to have a humanoid Galactus come out of nowhere and it's going to be in the Silver Surfer solo film anyway.

 

[Fanticon]

I have to say I loved the Doom fight...but the whole thing was too dark to see at times...I couldn't even see what happened at The Great Wall or when the mountain was destroyed.

 

[Hunter Rider]

I voted for the first Spidey/Sandman fight,it was executed the crispest IMO

I actually thought other than the SS/Torch chase that the FF2 action sequences were to short or badly edited in the case of the whole Surfer Doom stuff,the Fantasticar was under utilized IMO