Comics Final Issue of X-Men: Genesis

[Generation Lee]

OK I wasn't a fan at the start simply because of it being slow. I never read Giant sized X-Men at all so I never had that biased opinion. I did find the story unoriginal. But I did stick with it as a fan of Ultimate X-Men I like the grey Xavier.

This issue blew me away we get a Villian that is creditable to replace Magneto, their Major advesiry is a flawed human. OK maybe people don't what to see this again but I think that Villian is core to the X-Men. Especially now he was one.

I really interested on how the newest Team member to uncanny deals with everything that has happened. How well they intergate into the Marvel universe.

The end pages give me chills, I cannot wait to the change in uncanny. Also the emotion was raw in dealing with death. This is what I like about New X-Men they show you that you do feel more emotion for a dead character after decemation as to the death in one of so many millions.

So all in all a great books and just to end I've 2 questions please use spoiler tags when answering the first.

Was that who I think it was beside Lorna?
Would people have liked this story better if Claremont himself altered the history he created?

 

[BrianWilly]

The problem is, Deadly Genesis isn't supposed to be setup. It's supposed to be a fully-functional story in and of itself. And as a fully functional story in and of itself, here's what happens narratively:

-Heroes get defeated.

-Heroes get defeated some more.

-Heroes get betrayed by their own.

-Climatic fight. Overpowered villain runs away. Heroes lose.

-Everyone is unhappy. The end.

What the hell is that? The very core of the story hangs on a Big Reveal that was spoiled by Marvel before the story even began, so what we're left with is a slow-paced story, crammed to the brim with retcons, that shows our beloved characters getting more and more pwned with each passing issue. Yeah, great read, that. Honestly, Cyclops' decision in this issue was the least of this series' problems; I barely registered it, with all the other problems in my face.

I disliked Vulcan as a character and as a villain from the very start. It's not that he's overpowered, since there are ways to write that effectively, it's just that he's pathetic. In one panel he pulls out the pity face and acts like a victimized pawn who's only doing this out of righteous vengance, and in another panel he's remorselessly killing innocent people left and right and mocking Cyclops for caring. That's not badass. That's not unsettling. All it is is pathetic. All it makes you want to do is kick his ass up and down the street, and that never even happens in this story.

 

[HandOfFate]

Ok, here's the spoiler I was talking about:

Spoiler

Cyclops kicks Xavier out. He tells the professor he's not welcome at the institute anymore, the he runs it now, and that Charles isn't even a mutant anymore...he doesn't belong there.

Okay I don't like that.

Spoiler

Professor X should have turned to him and said "Motherf--- you don't own sh---, that my house. You can't put me out of my own d--- home. YOU MUST HAVE LOST YOUR GOD DA-- MIND!!! As a matter of fact, why don't you and that blond bit-- get your sh-- and get to stepping."

 

[Specter313]

Okay I don't like that.

Spoiler

Professor X should have turned to him and said "Motherf--- you don't own sh---, that my house. You can't put me out of my own d--- home. YOU MUST HAVE LOST YOUR GOD DA-- MIND!!! As a matter of fact, why don't you and that blond bit-- get your sh-- and get to stepping."

What a load of bull****

Spoiler

Xavier should kick that upstart out of his house.

So, let me get this straight. You guys want Scott to be all, "Why yes, Professor, you can stay here. All you did was get my long lost brother killed, and then wiped my mind clear of all the details so that I would forget everything about him and that he ever even existed along with three other innocent children. Oh, and lets not forget the time you locked up a sentient creature against it's will just so you could have us fight it over and over again. There's no reason why I should hate you at all."

 

[HandOfFate]

So, let me get this straight. You guys want Scott to be all, "Why yes, Professor, you can stay here. All you did was get my long lost brother killed, and then wiped my mind clear of all the details so that I would forget everything about him and that he ever even existed along with three other innocent children. Oh, and lets not forget the time you locked up a sentient creature against it's will just so you could have us fight it over and over again. There's no reason why I should hate you at all."

Spoiler

I didn’t say Cyke had to be all "Yes Master, No Master" to Professor X. What I'm saying is Cyke can't kick Xavier out of his own house. I don't care what Xavier has done, Cyke dose not own the X-Mansion so he can't tell Charles not to come to his own house.

Spoiler

If the Professor see fit he could kick all of the X-Men out of the Mansion and there ain't a dang thing they could do about it.

I wish a mofu would come to my house saying some mess like that. Believe me, that would be a day forever marked in history.

See you went and got my blood pressure up.

 

[Specter313]

Spoiler

I didn’t say Cyke had to be all "Yes Master, No Master" to Professor X. What I'm saying is Cyke can't kick Xavier out of his own house. I don't care what Xavier has done, Cyke dose not own the X-Mansion so he can't tell Charles not to come to his own house.

Spoiler

If the Professor see fit he could kick all of the X-Men out of the Mansion and there ain't a dang thing they could do about it.

I wish a mofu would come to my house saying some mess like that. Believe me, that would be a day forever marked in history.

See you went and got my blood pressure up.

That's just it, it's NOT his place anymore. He gave control to Scott and Emma. He moved on.

 

[El Bastardo]

See, I can't say that I have any type of large problem with the fact that, in the end of the story, the heroes had "lost" and the villain had escaped. In fact, I actually found it refreshing.

I have a question, though, Brian. You wrote that this was "crammed to the brim with retcons," and I'm curious just how many there actually were. I don't know every detail about the early X-Men stuff... I know the obvious retcons, such as the addition of Moira's mutants, the wiping of Scott's mind to make him forget their existence... and there was the mention by Xavier that he "made" the island talk to the second team.

What were the others?

 

[Spectre722]

its nice to see darwin survived, he was my favorite of the mystery team.

 

[Colossal Spoons]

^His powers sure are interesting. Wonder how he'll assist the team in battle though?

 

[Sub-Zero]

so is vulcan dead?

 

[Wolverazio]

Spoiler

I didn’t say Cyke had to be all "Yes Master, No Master" to Professor X. What I'm saying is Cyke can't kick Xavier out of his own house. I don't care what Xavier has done, Cyke dose not own the X-Mansion so he can't tell Charles not to come to his own house.

Spoiler

If the Professor see fit he could kick all of the X-Men out of the Mansion and there ain't a dang thing they could do about it.

I wish a mofu would come to my house saying some mess like that. Believe me, that would be a day forever marked in history.

See you went and got my blood pressure up.

With all the times he's "died" who says he still owns the house?

The smart thing for him to do would have been to create some kind of foundation long ago that made the school autonomous and "owned" by the faculty.

 

[Exploding Boy]

Do we know how long it will take for the trade to come out?

 

[Red Mask]

Does anybody else think it's time to retire Professor X and Magento? Let Cyclops and his generation be the new shepherds.

 

[chris moore]

Xavier might well have turned control of his finances over to Scott, or a collection of his longest x-men such as the original 5, Ororo, Kurt (not Piotr as he was considered dead when Planet X ended, but maybe Jean as Charles knows damn well she's coming back). I've always wanted a special edition book of some sort to come out that details the mansion room for room (cos there just doesnt appear to be enough bedrooms in the main house now for all the core x-men to have one each, and the only room we see regularly - kitty and Ray's - keeps changing appearance), the nature of Xavier's finances, ownership of the institute, who else is rich enough to fund etc. It'd just be nice to have some real detail to flesh out an implausible universe. The FF and Avengers have had some details in the past and we know where Tony's money and Reed's money comes from so it makes what they do more accepting in terms of plausability.

 

[PiotrRasputin]

Guys I'm kindda lost.. is Banshee dead? I mean, 'cause of the deadly genesis story?

 

[Darkraid]

so vulcan, darwin, petra, sway
who's alive now?

 

[PiotrRasputin]

Thanks a lot

 

[Wolverazio]

Guys I'm kindda lost.. is Banshee dead? I mean, 'cause of the deadly genesis story?

Yes. Deader than a doornail. Until he gets resurrected.

so vulcan, darwin, petra, sway
who's alive now?

Spoiler

Vulcan and Darwin are alive. One or both of them have the abilities of Petra and Sway as well (it's possible Darwin took them with him when he was split off.)

 

[chris moore]

What the hell kinda powers does Vulcan have anyway? Him being amped up beyond Omage and having all four beta x-team member's powers, then subsequently losing at least one aspect of them when Darwin's consciousness was separated from his own kinda makes them hard to define.

Scott said in flashback that he could believe the brother thing partially cos of their powers being similar - but bursts of yellow flashing from (presumably) his hands doesnt tell us squat.

Scott's powers are conversion of sunlight into power to fuel the opening of the dimensional apertures in his eyeball which release beams of heatless, apparently radiationless force. Alex's are the conversion of sun and starlight into plasma that erupts from his entire body but generally focussed from his hands. Did any issue prior to #5 of Deadly Genesis tell us exactly what Vulcan's original powers were?

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Does anybody else think it's time to retire Professor X and Magento? Let Cyclops and his generation be the new shepherds.

Heck no, the Xavier/Magneto fued/friendship is a permanent fixture.

 

[Red Mask]

Heck no, the Xavier/Magneto fued/friendship is a permanent fixture.

They're old. The rest are young. Let them lead the way.

 

[Nitehawk013]

Scott's powers are conversion of sunlight into power to fuel the opening of the dimensional apertures in his eyeball which release beams of heatless, apparently radiationless force. Alex's are the conversion of sun and starlight into plasma that erupts from his entire body but generally focussed from his hands. Did any issue prior to #5 of Deadly Genesis tell us exactly what Vulcan's original powers were?

Because a simple optic blast of force isnt eneough...someone had to go and make it a dimensional rift convoluted load of cow flop. LOL.

 

[roach]

With all the times he's "died" who says he still owns the house?

The smart thing for him to do would have been to create some kind of foundation long ago that made the school autonomous and "owned" by the faculty.

but its not like that since the other times he was gone he officially left someone in charge.....Magneto had to pretend to be his cousin to run the school. A few years ago Juggernaut had legally obtained the school and was gonna kick the Xmen out until he found out it had been wiped clean by Zero Tolerance

 

[roach]

The problem is, Deadly Genesis isn't supposed to be setup. It's supposed to be a fully-functional story in and of itself. And as a fully functional story in and of itself, here's what happens narratively:

-Heroes get defeated.

-Heroes get defeated some more.

-Heroes get betrayed by their own.

-Climatic fight. Overpowered villain runs away. Heroes lose.

-Everyone is unhappy. The end.

What the hell is that? The very core of the story hangs on a Big Reveal that was spoiled by Marvel before the story even began, so what we're left with is a slow-paced story, crammed to the brim with retcons, that shows our beloved characters getting more and more pwned with each passing issue. Yeah, great read, that. Honestly, Cyclops' decision in this issue was the least of this series' problems; I barely registered it, with all the other problems in my face.

I disliked Vulcan as a character and as a villain from the very start. It's not that he's overpowered, since there are ways to write that effectively, it's just that he's pathetic. In one panel he pulls out the pity face and acts like a victimized pawn who's only doing this out of righteous vengance, and in another panel he's remorselessly killing innocent people left and right and mocking Cyclops for caring. That's not badass. That's not unsettling. All it is is pathetic. All it makes you want to do is kick his ass up and down the street, and that never even happens in this story.

How is this a set up????
Bru was stated as the writer of Uncanny after the second issue right?????

 

[HandOfFate]

That's just it, it's NOT his place anymore. He gave control to Scott and Emma. He moved on.

When? The only person he has ever given full control to was Magneto.

but its not like that since the other times he was gone he officially left someone in charge.....Magneto had to pretend to be his cousin to run the school. A few years ago Juggernaut had legally obtained the school and was gonna kick the Xmen out until he found out it had been wiped clean by Zero Tolerance

That what I'm saying. Scott can't tell Xaiver not to come back to his own house. That's just stupid.