Sequels "Gambit" starring Channing Tatum? - Part 1

[Majik1387]

Why so aggressive? You know people here are free to give their opinion. Okay.

Take it as aggression if you like, it's just that the complaints and worries makes no sense.
"YAY! They're making a solo movie of a character I like! Wait, $150million? That's too much money for them to use!!!!!"

 

[dax]

Deadpool is being made on the cheap and the test footage got a good reception which is why Fox greenlighted the movie. Despite Reynolds not being the most popular guy people did like the idea of him as Deadpool.

Fox aren't going to cast Kitsch in a 100 million dollar plus movie after previous attempts at turning him into a star in big budget movies failed and his performance as Gambit generated little buzz.

Ryan Reynolds isn't exactly box office gold either but FOX gave him another chance at playing Deadpool so they should do the same with Taylor Kitsch by letting him play Gambit once more.

 

[psylockolussus]

If Channing will really be dropping out, it would be cool if they gave Taylor Kitsch another chance just like Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool. I thought they both did a good job in Origins, there are just a lot of other things that made that movie bad. XD

That would actually be so cool if Taylor Kitsch gets to star in this film, the same year the Deadpool is being released and then both films ended up as a success.

 

[psylockolussus]

Take it as aggression if you like, it's just that the complaints and worries makes no sense.
"YAY! They're making a solo movie of a character I like! Wait, $150million? That's too much money for them to use!!!!!"

Sure and then when the movie underperforms, people blame the studio for over-spending... Not that I'm implying that this film will underperform.

 

[Majik1387]

No one has ever blamed a studio for over-spending.

 

[kevork89]

You make sense, that's why this is all so confusing. Just hearing that his participation in the project is in doubt is surprising because of how gung ho he has been about the project.

I guess that's why I agree that it could be scheduling or he could be bargaining for more money in the press. The problem could be anything.

Agreed. I think it could be for extra money.

There's a difference between Ryan and Taylor though people come on. General people you can walk up and say the name Ryan Reynolds and they know who you talking about. Say Taylor's name and they would think wtf? It's not just about box office, it's about who is known in the public. He's on True Detective but that isn't enough. In Hollywood he had his shot and his big movies went bust. Reynolds is different. He's been around longer and has had other movies that have given him enough success as well as attention from the press. He's an A lister.

Channing is vital to this role. Forget about the box office draw. He has had some bombs but he's had hits too. But this is a comic book movie. They ar booming and they need the extra star power just to be a cherry on top.

 

[Neptune]

Magic Mike leaving this project proves that god exists. Thank you, your holyness!

 

[magneto23]

Lea Seydoux as Bella Donna Boudreaux would be a perfect casting decision.

Hopefully she gets the role if everything moves forward. That would be a solid get for this movie IMO. She's beyond gorgeous and her star-power is only growing.

 

[psylockolussus]

No one has ever blamed a studio for over-spending.

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 says hi.

So if a movie bombed or underperformed at the box-office because the budget is too high to make break-even or profit, you're not gonna comment about it, since the budget didn't come from your pocket? Okay.

Anyway, going back to this film. I wasn't thrilled about a Gambit movie when it was announced and I wanted Fox to introduce him in a X-Men team film. But the script is done, they already have a director/release date/lead actor for Gambit and casting already begun... it would suck a lot for this film if this film gets canceled just because Channing Tatum decided to bail when things are already in place.

And I thought Lea Seydoux was fierce in Mission: Impossible. It will be interesting to see her in a X-Men film!

 

[GuestStar2004]

Say what you like but ryan is still a leadin man, he has a movie called faceless coming soon and he suits the part of deadpool (which is on a faily low budget) while taylor is the guy who was the leading man in the flop john carter and gambit in the badly recieved x-men origins which feels like the most forgotten X-men film there has been.

So taylor wont get another chance as gambit, he is doing alot of tv work now

 

[Mike Murdock]

Taylor Kitsch back IN ?

don't laugh, FOX brought back Ryan Reynolds as Deadpool

why not Kitsch?

Because Ryan Reynolds did a much better job despite having received weaker material to work with and is a much bigger star.

Josh Holloway for Gambit!!

I'd love that. I doubt it'll happen (without a significant budget cut), but I'd love it.

Honestly all these complaints and worries about the budget being too high....

Why do you care? Is it your millions of dollars?

Because I want the film to be successful because successful films are likely to lead to sequels, while unsuccessful films are not.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

Unfair or not Taylor Kitsch is seen as poison after the one, two John Carter and Battleship bombs in 2012. I am baffled as to why Reynolds gets so many chances though. He just had another bomb this month. Well at least the Deadpool budget isn't outrageous.

One thing is clear Fox will not Greenlight Gambit with Kitsch as the star. It doesn't matter how many fanboys love Kitsch, he will not be playing Gambit in a solo film. And sorry fans but Lone Survivor was Mark Wahlberg's hit, not Taylor Kitsch's.

 

[kevork89]

Ryan seems to get extra chances because he's that lovable guy. He's got a great personality and people seem to like him in the business. He's popular amongst males and females. Just like Channing. So I understand why he's still around. He's a joker. It all works in his favor. Taylor lacked a lot of personality and he has very little charisma. Some people are just meant to have that star power and other don't.

Let's not forget Chris Evans. Everything he was doing was pretty much bombing up until Marvel gave him a chance with Cap. But he was the same as Ryan. Lovable. Men and women loved him. Seems like a guy you could hang with.

 

[Majik1387]

The Amazing Spider-Man 2 says hi.

So if a movie bombed or underperformed at the box-office because the budget is too high to make break-even or profit, you're not gonna comment about it, since the budget didn't come from your pocket? Okay.

No one blamed Sony for putting so much money into a movie that had a box-office run prior.

Yes they complained about under-performing, but that is not the same in the slightest as too big of a filming budget.

Btw, ASM2 made a worldwide gross of $700mil, $200mil domestic on a budget of 180-90mil. It wasn't a bomb at all, it underperformed in the U.S. is all.
Wolverine Origins however barely broke even and guess what? They kept Hugh, filmed a sequel, brought back Reynolds and is giving Deadpool his own movie. They're giving a character, that was universally hated in said movie, his own solo movie with a budget around 50mil.

Now Gambit, one of the most popular X-Men who can carry a solo movie is getting his own movie, and actually has the studio backing it with good faith to the point of giving it 3 times the budget of their other current solo movie, and people are trying to say it's too much?

Please, that just makes no sense to have any sort of negative comment, worry, 'opinion', etc.

Anyway, going back to this film. I wasn't thrilled about a Gambit movie when it was announced and I wanted Fox to introduce him in a X-Men team film. But the script is done, they already have a director/release date/lead actor for Gambit and casting already begun... it would suck a lot for this film if this film gets canceled just because Channing Tatum decided to bail when things are already in place.

And I thought Lea Seydoux was fierce in Mission: Impossible. It will be interesting to see her in a X-Men film!

I don't see the movie getting cancelled at this point if Tatum happens to leave, which honestly I really don't see happening unless there is some sort of scheduling issue.

I can't say I've seen Seydoux in anything, though I love the exotic French look she has. Odds are I'll see her in MI:GP but I think I'd rather try to see The Beauty and the Beast movie she did last year with Vincent Cassell.

 

[psylockolussus]

Let's not forget Chris Evans. Everything he was doing was pretty much bombing up until Marvel gave him a chance with Cap. But he was the same as Ryan. Lovable. Men and women loved him. Seems like a guy you could hang with.

They could hire any actor for that role in the first Cap film, and it wouldn't make a difference to its box-office performance unless they got an A-list actor.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Agreed. I think it could be for extra money.

I think the other way around is just as likely. With this film being almost a vanity project and Fox announcing a New Mutants movie, it's possible they slashed the hell out of the budget.

 

[psylockolussus]

No one blamed Sony for putting so much money into a movie that had a box-office run prior.

Yes they complained about under-performing, but that is not the same in the slightest as too big of a filming budget.

Btw, ASM2 made a worldwide gross of $700mil, $200mil domestic on a budget of 180-90mil. It wasn't a bomb at all, it underperformed in the U.S. is all.
Wolverine Origins however barely broke even and guess what? They kept Hugh, filmed a sequel, brought back Reynolds and is giving Deadpool his own movie. They're giving a character, that was universally hated in said movie, his own solo movie with a budget around 50mil.

Maybe you have missed it... but Sony over-spent in marketing and I think they went overboard with the $250 million (or more) for the production budget. Anyway, as money/profit is concern, production budget and marketing budget are connected. Had Sony went a little conservative with the budget (both marketing/production)... they would have earned a bigger profit.

Wolverine Origins however barely broke even and guess what? They kept Hugh, filmed a sequel, brought back Reynolds and is giving Deadpool his own movie. They're giving a character, that was universally hated in said movie, his own solo movie with a budget around 50mil.

Now Gambit, one of the most popular X-Men who can carry a solo movie is getting his own movie, and actually has the studio backing it with good faith to the point of giving it 3 times the budget of their other current solo movie, and people are trying to say it's too much?

Please, that just makes no sense to have any sort of negative comment, worry, 'opinion', etc.

In your opinion, it makes no sense to have an opinion but here you are, giving your opinion.

And yes $150 million is too much and we haven't seen Gambit being played by Channing Tatum before. Unlike Hugh Jackman who already appeared in 3 successful X-Men films before he got his chance to do a solo film. And like I said before, this film was greenlit mostly because of Tatum's involvement, not because of studio's desire to really make a Gambit film... then you expect them to throw $150 million when the main reason they are doing this is not even because of Gambit but the actor attached to the role. Okay.

And thanks for bringing up Deadpool, there's a reason why Deadpool is not getting a $150 million budget and between Deadpool and Gambit... we know who is more popular right now.

 

[kevork89]

They could hire any actor for that role in the first Cap film, and it wouldn't make a difference to its box-office performance unless they got an A-list actor.

My point in bringing up Chris was to compare him to Ryan and how his whole career was pretty much mediocre movies. He had done a whole heap of comic book movies and they all didn't really perform. But he is still a big name. If you look at the short list of actors for Captain America. Chris was the biggest name of them. At the time Channing was in the running too but he wasn't as big back then. But like I said Chris is likable and it contributed to his casting.

 

[Sullstar]

Wouldn't be surprised if Channing Tatum dropped out because Lauren Shuler Donner cast herself as Bella Donna

 

[The Infernal]

Shame about Tatum. I was willing to give the guy a chance since I wanted Gambit to be good, but I was never convinced he was a good fit. It could be a good chance for someone else, but the movie could end up nowhere.


I've no desire to see Holloway as Gambit. Guy didn't wnat the role a decade back and I respect the reason why. But I wouldn't care if he's changed his mind and is a little more hungry for roles these days. Time has moved on.

As for Kitsch. I liked him in a bad movie. He did fine with what he had. Though I'm not kidding myself that Fox would consider him to carry a film.

 

[kevork89]

Don't forget Deadpool is also going to be R and that was something the studio hadn't decided on. Deadpool is a risky project. So they had to keep the budget lower especially now because it's rated R and there's a risk they won't make money. They're basically eliminating the family audience. Gambit won't be R. Who knows how the movie will be or if it appeals to the general audience but if Fox is willing to bank that on Channing and the movie then so be it. Deadpool for them was clearly a harder sell then Gambit. Also Gambit can tie in with the X-Men a lot more as he is a member unlike Deadpool. And that could be a selling point for the film. Don't forget we haven't seen apocalypse yet. We don't know the outcome. Or if that affects the Gambit movie in anyway. There could be a connection which would explain more money.

 

[psylockolussus]

My point in bringing up Chris was to compare him to Ryan and how his whole career was pretty much mediocre movies. He had done a whole heap of comic book movies and they all didn't really perform. But he is still a big name. If you look at the short list of actors for Captain America. Chris was the biggest name of them. At the time Channing was in the running too but he wasn't as big back then. But like I said Chris is likable and it contributed to his casting.

I don't even know if I would call Chris Evans a big name... Yes he appeared in Avengers/Captain America.... but outside those films/Fantastic Four... I don't know if he can sell a movie solely based on his star power.

Ryan Reynolds is more of a household name compare to Chris Evans. I always hear/see his name in celebrity shows like TMZ/ET and those celebrity magazines and I think thats why he always get movie roles despite not having a good track record in films.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Hopefully Tatum resolves his issues and stays on but if not I wouldn't mind Kitsch returning with a reduced budget.

 

[Orba]

And yes $150 million is too much and we haven't seen Gambit being played by Channing Tatum before. Unlike Hugh Jackman who already appeared in 3 successful X-Men films before he got his chance to do a solo film. And like I said before, this film was greenlit mostly because of Tatum's involvement, not because of studio's desire to really make a Gambit film... then you expect them to throw $150 million when the main reason they are doing this is not even because of Gambit but the actor attached to the role. Okay.

And thanks for bringing up Deadpool, there's a reason why Deadpool is not getting a $150 million budget and between Deadpool and Gambit... we know who is more popular right now.

Yeah, the problem is that this is not a film that demands that size of budget, far more than Fantastic Four or The Wolverine. This is supposed to be a Louisiana set film being filmed in Louisiana so there is no need to green screen environments or digital alterations to the skylines to make the city look like it is another. Also Gambits powers have no big CGI demands, the actor pretends to throw a card (which is added digitally with glowing effect) and then a practical effect is used for the explosion. He doesn't shapeshift or require a CGI double.

A Gambit movie is not something that should need massive CGI effects or have blockbuster scale events happening in it so its strange that it is being given a budget that is more fitting for a film like that.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Yeah, the problem is that this is not a film that demands that size of budget, far more than Fantastic Four or The Wolverine. This is supposed to be a Louisiana set film being filmed in Louisiana so there is no need to green screen environments or digital alterations to the skylines to make the city look like it is another. Also Gambits powers have no big CGI demands, the actor pretends to throw a card (which is added digitally with glowing effect) and then a practical effect is used for the explosion. He doesn't shapeshift or require a CGI double.

A Gambit movie is not something that should need massive CGI effects or have blockbuster scale events happening in it so its strange that it is being given a budget that is more fitting for a film like that.

spending 150 million + on this is a huge risk, especially when he is yet to appear in an X-Men movie, which Origins was not.