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Comics Get ready people, JMS and Joe Q are planning ANOTHER Spider-Man event

Man, if there's one thing you can say about internet, it has both dramatically improved and eroded vocabulary and grammar skills of people all over the country. Nay (props to Gregatron), the world! Almost nothing's funnier to me than seeing someone derided over the use of the wrong contraction.
 
WOLVERINE25TH said:
Frankly, Joe Q's really got his business sense skewed. By avoidin' all fan commentary an' goin' by sales only he's only gettin' half th' picture. Especially since his recent sales were boosted by umpteen variant covers.

The thing is, from a buisness point of view, going by sales makes sense. If something is making you boatloads of cash, why not continue doing it?

The problem isn't that he's going by sales, it's that the people buying the books are buying them, them endlessly complaining while continually purchasing these books that they deem to be "crap". That only sends the message to the powers-that-be that the readers will buy whatever they produce, whether or not it's wortht he money.

I think it's finally gotten to the point where Joe Q. looked at the way the readers felt, and he figured the bubble was about to pop, and the readers were about to leave. I know I've already walked away from ASM and FNSM, and alot of others have done the same. If alot of people are doing nothign but complaining, but they are continuing to buy the books for event after event, then what happens when the events end? What happens when Civil War ends, and they are forced to address the changes made to Spider-Man during "The Other"? They will be left with only the strength and the buzz generated from that particular story. Sure, the Civil War fallout will last awhile, but, sooner or later, this mess will have tobe cleaned, and I think Joe Q. and JMS looked at the path they were on and said, "Whoa....there's no way we can keep the readers interested with this new take on Spider-Man. We should probably go back to using the original take."

Trust me, the reason they are renegging on this deal isn't because of the fan uproar, it's because of the money. It always seems to boil down to the money for these guys. It's just the way they think. Nothign wrong with that, but they need to learn that producing a consistently good monthly comic featuring the best character in all of comics is a better, more consistent money-maker than having a major event once a year, making a ton of money, and then having to cancel and relaunch titles again and again to keep readers coming back for more.
 
Yeah, I think they used to be real fans but now that they have been in charge for a while they have lost sight of who Spidey is.
If they could look at their work analytically from someone else’s perspective they would see how truly laughable it is. The problem is tho, if they are not real fans anymore they won't care.
 
Dangerous said:
Yeah, I think they used to be real fans but now that they have been in charge for a while they have lost sight of who Spidey is.
If they could look at their work analytically from someone else’s perspective they would see how truly laughable it is. The problem is tho, if they are not real fans anymore they won't care.


I think they should read the Essentials, 1-7, then read any current issue of ASM or FNSM, and tell me if they honestly believe it is the same character.

If they can say "it's the same character" with a straight face, then they're very good liars.
 
Like I said in another thread, Joe Q's been outta th' trenches too long, he's lost touch. He's Marvel's Bush!
 
WOLVERINE25TH said:
Like I said in another thread, Joe Q's been outta th' trenches too long, he's lost touch. He's Marvel's Bush!
You Know, I've never thought of it that way, but Joe Q and JMS do seem like Marvel's Bush & Cheney.
 
JQ: We shall stop these evildoers. I can say with all certaintily that Dan Dido has weapons of mass destruction...in my pants!
 
shinlyle said:
I think you meant to use the contraction "doesn't", right? I mean....seeing as how you're so intelligent and all....

If using nouns properly don't matter, I suppose grammar don't matter even more. :o

:wolverine
 
dan1 said:
Exactly Stilla. JoeQ got his merit based on SALES and created new lines that forego the 616 universe continuity.

He's a slam dunker with no outside touch, and everyone assumes because he's worked for Marvel for a good while, that he will start making consistant free-throws. He can't. He can only make the slam dunk that has no outcome on the game as a hole, in fact, he makes a couple of slam dunks and proclaims victory because he got a bunch of people to spend money and come to his flashy game. But his team is a shell of what it was. No teamwork, no creative plays within the system, no pride in the teams history. Just a bunch of "all stars" running around the court, aimlessly looking for their own slam dunk ally oop opportunity from Quesada.

Why anyone is surprised that Joe Quesada went this route with his EIC leadership is really beyond me. It was pretty easy to see, right when he first came on board and said that Peter should have never gotten married and he can't divorce him, because that would be "creepy," but..(and he left that up to our imaginations) and when he had JMS actually rub in our face that the Clone Saga supposedly never happened when Ezekial was the first person so similar to Spidey that he ever "fought side by side with." JoeQ stated that the Clone Saga was mum. But there is a difference from being mum to re-writing like it didn't exist. There is an arrogance to it (foreshadowing).

Who wants to be George Bailey(It's a Wonderful Life) when he didn't exist! No one, that's the nightmare itself. If you want to ask when Marvel "Jumped the shark," it wasn't the Clone Saga, or even the ill conceived re-boot. It was when Marvel started pretending and writing as if the Clone Saga never happened. Then they snowballed that in Pretending a lot of other things never happened.

It's ok to make mistakes, but to pretend you didn't make them is far worse.

Clone Saga, for the 50 billionth time, was too long and became contrived nonsense eventually, BUT, the team always strove to keep the continuity intact. The effort was there.

Joe Quesada serendipitously got the EIC job based on his SALES wins. With his market positioning and the sure-thing Movie coming out, he was given the longest leash in comic book HISTORY.

He did not earn it the 616 Marvel way.

JoeQ's intentions were foretold. MJ will probably be killed off. 616 Spider-Man will probably continue to forsake continuity and eventually Joseph Quesada's Ultimate Universe will become the only Marvel Universe.

That is, if he continues to reign supreme.

You can't hold against Quesada that fact that he got his position due to his ability to bring in the money. That's just logical.

However, you can hold against him the fact that his decisions are risky even in terms of sales. It seems very much like short-term thinking, and because they're butchering every single Marvel franchise, that has every chance of coming back to bite them in the ass.

Yes, there are a lot of shallow, unthinking sheep out there who support franchises that are blatantly badly written, for whatever puerile, tribalistic reasons they have. However, there are plenty of hardcore fans out there who used to spend a lot of money on several titles every week who have given up on this now corrupt publishing giant. I've wasted so much money over the years on comics. Hell, if I'd taken up a hobby that didn't cost so much, I could probably buy a new (used) car right now. And I still buy comics, because it's part of my personality and habits to do so, but I only buy Batman comics or reprints of Marvel Comics from back in the day. They're going to run out of Essential colletions for X-Men and Wolverine very soon, and those are pretty much the only ones I buy. That leaves nothing for Marvel publishing to offer me. I'm not alone in this, and it is absolutely the fault of people like Joey Q, JMS, Bendis, Jenkins, Morrison, Austin, and all the other writers who either can't write worth a damn to begin with (Bendis [at least as far as Marvel goes], Austin), those who are good writers with their own characters but insist on screwing up other people's (JMS, Morrison), and writers who just ran out of ideas and decided to recycle old ones to bastardize and retcon beloved characters (Jenkins... and also Joss Whedon, who will always be one of my favorite fiction writers of all time because of 'Firefly', but even he fecked up royally on that last story arc in 'Astonishing X-Men').

Joey Q can't be blamed for making money. He can be blamed for making money in the short term and alienating fans that haved put out a lot of money over the years.
I honestly never thought I would stop buying Spider-Man comics, up until a couple of years ago. And it's not because I've "outgrown" superheroes, it's because I outgrew this kind of trashy nonsense that plagues the books currently before I could even walk or talk. These people really should be ashamed of themselves. They're artists, and yet they've truly destroyed great art.
 
WOLVERINE25TH said:
Wow, yer a dork.

Child, if you can't say anything intelligent, don't say anything at all.

*waits for the cursing and schoolyard insults*

:wolverine
 
"Child"? HA! Been a few decades since someone's called me that. But yer as young as you feel.

Go get a life you pitiful, pitiful small little boy.
 
shinlyle said:
I think they should read the Essentials, 1-7, then read any current issue of ASM or FNSM, and tell me if they honestly believe it is the same character.

If they can say "it's the same character" with a straight face, then they're very good liars.

Or clinically psychotic.

:wolverine
 
Hoban said:
You Know, I've never thought of it that way, but Joe Q and JMS do seem like Marvel's Bush & Cheney.

Yeah, except JMS is clearly a liberal. Specifically, he's the kind of liberal that makes other liberals look bad. When you see the kind of irresponsible $hit that he says in his defense about 'Sins Past' and you see the political leanings of the people who defended that storyline, it's a little bit easier to see why some of the right-wing warhawks on this site make sweeping generalizations that villify left-leaning posters.

They're absolutely wrong to do it, mind you, but it's a little bit easier to see why.

:wolverine
 
WOLVERINE25TH said:
"Child"? HA! Been a few decades since someone's called me that. But yer as young as you feel.

Go get a girlfriend and get a life you pitiful, pitiful small little boy.

You didn't listen, did you?

"Get a life" is not intelligent, and it negates any intelligence that could be attributed to the cliche "yer as young as you feel," if someone were to consider that a useful platitude.

Yes, I'm an a$$hole, so I obviously don't have a girlfriend, right? You don't understand women very well do you?

Get a vocabulary, and get broader range of derogatory remarks, plebeian.

:wolverine
 
Why should I? I ain't th' bad guy, kid. I don't have to tear into you to tear you down. You'll do all th' work fer me and I get to sit back and laugh.
 
WOLVERINE25TH said:
Why should I? I ain't th' bad guy, kid. I don't have to tear into you to tear you down. You'll do all th' work fer me and I get to sit back and laugh.

So, when you lost your temper and cursed me out yesterday, displaying your appalling inability to use the English language correctly (and no, I'm not talking about your Wolverine dialect... even grownups like to play-act), you were actually laughing at me?

When you throw childish, excruciatingly common insults at me, you're laughing? That's a sad image... and the only person I can see laughing while saying such things is a child. :(

:wolverine
 
*munches on popcorn*

Anyone have any butter?
 
Nope, I was pissed off yesterday. But, this is today. Whole new ball game, bunky. Yer in my court now, pig-****er.
 
WOLVERINE25TH said:
Nope, I was pissed off yesterday. But, this is today. Whole new ball game, bunky. Yer in my court now, pig-****er.

And what an exciting court it is. I feel completely outclassed.

You know, I don't use your peculiar penchant for speaking "in character" against you, but I have to say that it comes off pretty pathetic when your trash talk isn't anywhere near as engaging as the real Wolverine's. One thing that I always loved about that character was his trash talk and his wit. I don't remember reading "get a life" in any well-written Wolverine comic.

:wolverine
 
'Cause, like th' sig says, bunky, I don't think I'm Wolverine nor pretend to be him. If I did I'd be RPin' and I don't see an RP board around here, do you?

Now I will resume pretendin' yer father's condom didn't break when you were concieved until yer next moronic ******* outburst.
 
Herr Logan said:
Yeah, except JMS is clearly a liberal. Specifically, he's the kind of liberal that makes other liberals look bad. When you see the kind of irresponsible $hit that he says in his defense about 'Sins Past' and you see the political leanings of the people who defended that storyline, it's a little bit easier to see why some of the right-wing warhawks on this site make sweeping generalizations that villify left-leaning posters.

They're absolutely wrong to do it, mind you, but it's a little bit easier to see why.

:wolverine

Okay, point taken.
 
Please! Let's stop flaming each other and turn our anger tho the ones who righteously deserve it... Quesada and Company...
Anyone got Nachos??
 
No, but I got CHIMICHANGAS! Th' breakfast of Deadpools everywhere.
 

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