dan1 said:
Exactly Stilla. JoeQ got his merit based on SALES and created new lines that forego the 616 universe continuity.
He's a slam dunker with no outside touch, and everyone assumes because he's worked for Marvel for a good while, that he will start making consistant free-throws. He can't. He can only make the slam dunk that has no outcome on the game as a hole, in fact, he makes a couple of slam dunks and proclaims victory because he got a bunch of people to spend money and come to his flashy game. But his team is a shell of what it was. No teamwork, no creative plays within the system, no pride in the teams history. Just a bunch of "all stars" running around the court, aimlessly looking for their own slam dunk ally oop opportunity from Quesada.
Why anyone is surprised that Joe Quesada went this route with his EIC leadership is really beyond me. It was pretty easy to see, right when he first came on board and said that Peter should have never gotten married and he can't divorce him, because that would be "creepy," but..(and he left that up to our imaginations) and when he had JMS actually rub in our face that the Clone Saga supposedly never happened when Ezekial was the first person so similar to Spidey that he ever "fought side by side with." JoeQ stated that the Clone Saga was mum. But there is a difference from being mum to re-writing like it didn't exist. There is an arrogance to it (foreshadowing).
Who wants to be George Bailey(It's a Wonderful Life) when he didn't exist! No one, that's the nightmare itself. If you want to ask when Marvel "Jumped the shark," it wasn't the Clone Saga, or even the ill conceived re-boot. It was when Marvel started pretending and writing as if the Clone Saga never happened. Then they snowballed that in Pretending a lot of other things never happened.
It's ok to make mistakes, but to pretend you didn't make them is far worse.
Clone Saga, for the 50 billionth time, was too long and became contrived nonsense eventually, BUT, the team always strove to keep the continuity intact. The effort was there.
Joe Quesada serendipitously got the EIC job based on his SALES wins. With his market positioning and the sure-thing Movie coming out, he was given the longest leash in comic book HISTORY.
He did not earn it the 616 Marvel way.
JoeQ's intentions were foretold. MJ will probably be killed off. 616 Spider-Man will probably continue to forsake continuity and eventually Joseph Quesada's Ultimate Universe will become the only Marvel Universe.
That is, if he continues to reign supreme.
You can't hold against Quesada that fact that he got his position due to his ability to bring in the money. That's just logical.
However, you
can hold against him the fact that his decisions are risky even in terms of sales. It seems very much like short-term thinking, and because they're butchering every single Marvel franchise, that has every chance of coming back to bite them in the ass.
Yes, there are a lot of shallow, unthinking sheep out there who support franchises that are blatantly badly written, for whatever puerile, tribalistic reasons they have. However, there are plenty of hardcore fans out there who used to spend a lot of money on several titles every week who have given up on this now corrupt publishing giant. I've wasted so much money over the years on comics. Hell, if I'd taken up a hobby that didn't cost so much, I could probably buy a new (used) car right now. And I still buy comics, because it's part of my personality and habits to do so, but I only buy Batman comics or reprints of Marvel Comics from back in the day. They're going to run out of Essential colletions for X-Men and Wolverine very soon, and those are pretty much the only ones I buy. That leaves
nothing for Marvel publishing to offer me. I'm not alone in this, and it is absolutely the fault of people like Joey Q, JMS, Bendis, Jenkins, Morrison, Austin, and all the other writers who either can't write worth a damn to begin with (Bendis [at least as far as Marvel goes], Austin), those who are good writers with their own characters but insist on screwing up other people's (JMS, Morrison), and writers who just ran out of ideas and decided to recycle old ones to bastardize and retcon beloved characters (Jenkins... and also Joss Whedon, who will always be one of my favorite fiction writers of all time because of 'Firefly', but even
he fecked up royally on that last story arc in 'Astonishing X-Men').
Joey Q can't be blamed for making money. He
can be blamed for making money in the short term and alienating fans that haved put out a lot of money over the years.
I honestly never thought I would stop buying Spider-Man comics, up until a couple of years ago. And it's not because I've "outgrown" superheroes, it's because I outgrew this kind of trashy nonsense that plagues the books currently
before I could even walk or talk. These people really should be ashamed of themselves. They're artists, and yet they've truly destroyed great art.
