Ghost Rider 2 In The Works - Part 1

[Alexei Belyakov]

Lambert's presence basically puts this movie at DTV Wal-Mart discount bin trash level.

Sony is doing a cheap ne'er do well sequel here so the rights don't revert back to Marvel. They dragged their feet on doing an actual sequel with that Johnson misfire for years and now they are doing this.

Neveldine and Taylor had their one trick pony and it was called Crank.

Why the hate for Chris Lambert? He's a pop culture icon. Russell Mulcahy's Highlander is one of the greatest fantasy/action movies of all time. And Crank obviously wasn't a "one trick pony" since Crank 2 and Gamer tripled their original budgets domestically.

Your "Sony trying to keep the rights argument" is also a bit off since this is still a $90 Million movie. Punisher Warzone was an example of a studio rushing at the last minute to make a movie with a character who's rights are about to expire. Punisher Warzone cost Lions Gate $20 Million - that's a straight to video budget.

And another thing, Marvel probably doesn't even want Ghost Rider back. They can barely afford to produce a movie a year at $200 Million per movie, what are they gonna do with a "B" character (because he is a "B" character) like Ghost Rider? Invest the budget Sony's investing? No way. Absolutely no way.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Look at all the trash Nic Cage has been in as of late. Dude needs money since he's teetering on bankruptcy and pretty much broke.

Neveldine and Taylor aren't exactly expensive Steven Spielberg level directors. They are definitely cheaping out with this movie.

As of late? Let me make one thing clear first off. I am a huge Nic Cage fan when he is playing a role that allows him to be crazy Nic Cage BUT his whole career has been a mixed bag just like his acting talent. He has always done both trash and quality films...nothing new. But the fact remains he is an A-list star that commands a high salary. Once again...if Sony wanted to cheap out they wouldn't have bothered bringing Nic Cage back and just hired a much cheaper leading man.

Neveldine and Taylor aren't Steven Spielberg level directors? Thank you for pointing that out to me I wouldn't have realized that otherwise. <Sarcasm face

Who in their right mind would expect a Spielberg level director to take on Ghost Rider??? I mean....really? Come on...I know everyone has fantasies of who they want to direct a film but you have to be realistic. Neveldine and Taylor are a decent fit for Ghost Rider because they have a history of making low budgeted, high adrenaline action flicks that are entertaining and somewhat successful at the box office.

Let me give you an example of cheaping out by a studio. Paramount Studios hiring a director who's main credits that include Justin Beiber: Never Say Never and Step Up 3D to direct a sequel to G.I. Joe. That my friend...is cheaping out.

 

[TheVileOne]

I doubt Cage's salary was as high here as it has been previously.

Also my point was that Neveldine and Taylor are "cheap" directors despite a comment to the contrary. They are also a mediocre creative team outside the first Crank movie.

 

[BigThor]

A darker tone sounds good, now if it has "much better" fight scenes then it will be pretty cool.

Ghost Rider vs Blackheart was LAME in the first movie (except for the flaming shotgun", and the rest of the battles were only sub-par. __________________
Still waiting on the day an unbiased Thor vs Hulk fight is brought to film or animation. | dich cong chung | cong ty dich thuat

THOR - May 6th 2011

Wtf?

 

[BigThor]

This, sounds nothing like GR, the humans stopping GR with a missile? Please, not to mention every foe he seems to encounter in this new movie defeats him easily. At least in the first movie GR was the unstoppable machine we know he is, and dont even get me started on the coin toss thing and Blackout sounds more like Blackino, nothing like the character from the comics at all.

I don't think the missile "stopped" Ghost Rider, it sounds like it only allowed them time to get away.

Howoever, I do agree with your statement about every foe defeating Ghost Rider rather easily...reminds of his fight with Blackheart in the first film (smh).

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

I doubt Cage's salary was as high here as it has been previously.

Also my point was that Neveldine and Taylor are "cheap" directors despite a comment to the contrary. They are also a mediocre creative team outside the first Crank movie.

It may not be considering he has a strong passion for this particular character and the budget is smaller this time around. But I seriously doubt he is making peanuts...I am sure he is getting a nice chunk of change and if Sony was really more worried about maintaining the rights or just cheaping out they would have hired someone else...period.

I like how you are trying to make your opinion sound like fact as well...lol. Believe it or not...there are people that liked Crank 2 and even Gamer. You personally have a hard-on for pointing out that you only liked Crank and nothing else from them...which is fine...but stop trying to make them out to be straight to DVD directors with no credibility to take on Ghost Rider. They have directed decent budget sized Hollywood action flicks with their own unique style. Could they make a ****** Ghost Rider movie? Of course. But they are a fit for Ghost Rider and not a cheap out move by Sony. I am also puzzled as to who you wish would be directing this? Because from how you are speaking you, and no offense to hardcore Ghost Rider fans, you are acting like Ghost Rider needs an A list director to have a chance of being good. It isn't exactly ever gonna be Oscar material.

Once again I refer to Paramount getting Jon Chu to direct a G.I. Joe sequel. A young, up and coming director whos experience is with Step Up and Justin Beiber who is probably thanking god he is getting that kind of opportunity and is working for probably peanuts is a cheap out sequel move by a studio.

 

[The Morningstar]

I doubt Cage's salary was as high here as it has been previously.

Also my point was that Neveldine and Taylor are "cheap" directors despite a comment to the contrary. They are also a mediocre creative team outside the first Crank movie.

It may not be considering he has a strong passion for this particular character and the budget is smaller this time around. But I seriously doubt he is making peanuts...I am sure he is getting a nice chunk of change and if Sony was really more worried about maintaining the rights or just cheaping out they would have hired someone else...period.

I like how you are trying to make your opinion sound like fact as well...lol. Believe it or not...there are people that liked Crank 2 and even Gamer. You personally have a hard-on for pointing out that you only liked Crank and nothing else from them...which is fine...but stop trying to make them out to be straight to DVD directors with no credibility to take on Ghost Rider. They have directed decent budget sized Hollywood action flicks with their own unique style. Could they make a ****** Ghost Rider movie? Of course. But they are a fit for Ghost Rider and not a cheap out move by Sony.

Indeed. I think they are pretty good directors actually. They have a very unique style. That style is very polarizing though, hence why they are not loved by all.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Wow, I just looked them up. Crank 1 & 2, Gamer, and Jonah Hex? Errr...

This does not make me feel hopeful.

 

[The Morningstar]

They wrote the original script for Jonah Hex, which was then butchered by the studio. It was a great script originally though. They never directed it.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

Ah, ok. Their writing credits pop up first on IMDB. That isn't the first time the new layout over there has fooled me.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

I don't think the missile "stopped" Ghost Rider, it sounds like it only allowed them time to get away.

Even thats a stretch, GR was the only person to coming close to defeating World War Hulk, even Dr Strange said GR would be capable of defeating WWH as his powers are limitless, I doubt a missile would even make him flinch.

Howoever, I do agree with your statement about every foe defeating Ghost Rider rather easily...reminds of his fight with Blackheart in the first film (smh).

And again, see above, GR is pretty much unstoppable, hence why his foes need to be similar, but Blackout/heart seemingly defeats him within seconds, sorry but that just aint GR.

 

[Symbiotic]

Didn't they divert like half this things budget to Spider-Man? Yeah there's all the proof you need.

And I believe Sony also gave some of the budget to Men In Black III, which is now facing its own problems.

 

[TheVileOne]

As such I'm expecting even less out of this rights keeping DTV level sequel than the first movie.

 

[Midnyte_Sun]

The coin flipping, the young boy and mother, the henchmen, the JB getting wounded after GR is wounded scenario are all from the original Goyer scipt for the 1st GR movie that was subsequently rewritten by MSJ.

Ghost Rider can be made well, despite the dismal showing in 2007. The movie was a box office success which should have earned the movie a similar budget. The sequel should include what everyone wanted:

Good action sequences
More GR screen time

This movie sounds so far to be quite dissapointing.

 

[Slushy]

Its awesome to know Lambert will be in this film. Shame Peter Fonda didn't come back, he was one of the few things I liked about the first Ghost Rider.

People still complaining about the first movie?

That wasn't Ghost Rider. The real Johnny Blaze is a beer drinking, cigar smoking badass, but if you'd rather have him listening to Carpenters music, laughing at karate monkeys, and eating jelly beans out out of a fu**ing martini glass then hey more power to you.

But the unforgivable sin was that we didn't get to see the form of the guy in my avatar.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Wow, I just looked them up. Crank 1 & 2, Gamer, and Jonah Hex? Errr...

This does not make me feel hopeful.

Crank, Crank 2, and Gamer were directed AND written by Neveldine and Taylor. This is the first time the directing duo will just be directing they didn't write the script.

And like TheMorningStar said Jonah Hex was just a total screw-up job by Warner Brothers.

 

[Alexei Belyakov]

Its awesome to know Lambert will be in this film. Shame Peter Fonda didn't come back, he was one of the few things I liked about the first Ghost Rider.

That wasn't Ghost Rider. The real Johnny Blaze is a beer drinking, cigar smoking badass, but if you'd rather have him listening to Carpenters music, laughing at karate monkeys, and eating jelly beans out out of a fu**ing martini glass then hey more power to you.

But the unforgivable sin was that we didn't get to see the form of the guy in my avatar.

Love your post, man. Spot-on.

You have no idea how aggravated I was with Wes Bentley's sideburns. I HATED what they did with the character. Not to mention the horrific dialogue and the terrible acting and just about everything...

I would have loved to see Fonda in this because it would play into the mythology that there are various "devils" in hell. Fonda's Mephisto and Ciaran Hinds could be another demon.

But anyway I'm stoked to see this movie because as of now it has too many things that are worth my $10 come February.

-Cage playing Zarathos (the very mention of Zarathos makes me wanna see this)

-Neveldine/Taylor - which have never failed as directors in my book. Their films are exactly what they want them to be and we need B movie insanity for this character to seem interesting on-screen.

-Christopher Lambert's presence. While I'm REALLY sad that he's not playing Blackout, I love The Highlander and I'm happy he's in this t:

-Blackout's involvement. In the comics he was an inch away from being an actual vamp so I'm not one bit bothered by this change they've made to him. As I said earlier, if he's anything like the bad mofo vamps from True Blood, this should be interesting.

-The lower budget. This is a "B" character. He doesn't need a two hundred million dollar budget. Just doesn't. And Neveldine/Taylor are masters at working with very little money (yet they still have more to work with here than ever before with $90 Million).

-The story - while its not the best Ghost Rider yarn, it sounds 10 times better than the crap plot they gave us in the first one. God I hate that movie.

-Ciaran Hinds, Idris "Stringer" Elba - fun supporting cast that only helps.

I'm sure they'll give us something better than Johnson's film. 100% sure about it.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

-Neveldine/Taylor - which have never failed as directors in my book. Their films are exactly what they want them to be and we need B movie insanity for this character to seem interesting on-screen.

Sorry, this sounds a lot like "This movie is going to be cheap as hell, let's all hope for the best cuz this is the best we're gonna get."

Trying to justify a cheap-ass movie by saying the character won't be interesting without b-grade schlock attached is pretty insulting to the character, imo.

 

[CelticPredator]

I'll take a well made low budget movie, over a crappy ass big budgeted one.

Serenity Vs. Star Wars Episode 3.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

Sorry, this sounds a lot like "This movie is going to be cheap as hell, let's all hope for the best cuz this is the best we're gonna get."

Trying to justify a cheap-ass movie by saying the character won't be interesting without b-grade schlock attached is pretty insulting to the character, imo.

How is it cheap as hell? Doesn't this thing have a 75 million budget? Just because it has a lower budget compared to the first automatically makes it cheap as hell? I mean sure it is comparable to the budget films like Batman or Superman etc etc. gets but once again...Ghost Rider IS a B level character. Pretty much on the same level as a character like Hellboy which had a similar budget for both films.

People here are freaking out and screaming cheap without actually seeing footage from the film it is kind of silly.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

And I prefer a low-budget but good film like Serenity over the likes of Crank and Gamer.

 

[CelticPredator]

If you dont like Crank you are not a man.

That movie is the best action flick of the last few years.

 

[RedIsNotBlue]

And I prefer a low-budget but good film like Serenity over the likes of Crank and Gamer.

Once again...Neveldine and Taylor are just DIRECTING Ghost Rider 2. They didn't write it like they did with Crank and Gamer.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

How is it cheap as hell? Doesn't this thing have a 75 million budget? Just because it has a lower budget compared to the first automatically makes it cheap as hell? I mean sure it is comparable to the budget films like Batman or Superman etc etc. gets but once again...Ghost Rider IS a B level character. Pretty much on the same level as a character like Hellboy which had a similar budget for both films.

People here are freaking out and screaming cheap without actually seeing footage from the film it is kind of silly.

Nobody's freaking out.

Having your budget sucked away doesn't speak well of Sony's confidence. And comparing it to Hellboy might not be the wisest idea. Neveldine and Taylor are no Guillermo del Toro.

 

[Whiskey Tango]

If you dont like Crank you are not a man.

That movie is the best action flick of the last few years.

Right, so I know not to take movie advice from you any more. Glad that's solved.

Look, I want this flick to be awesome just like everyone else but everything I've heard about it sounds dire. If you guys want to keep your heads in the clouds be my guest.

We'll see what it looks like when a trailer is released.