Ghostbusters: Afterlife

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Nostalgia is absolutely fine with me as lob as the story and characters are interesting in their own right and the movie has heart. I loved Force Awakens personally so this sounds right up my street.
 
Plain and simple, I just don't love the original Ghostbusters enough to deal with its version of The Force Awakens.

Same here. I was never able to get on The Ghostbusters bandwagon as much as I wanted to.
 
Any luck we are getting Ecto Cooler I haven’t seen any sort of marketing that would tell me otherwise?
Can't even get the cereal to be timed reliably for availability. No chance we're getting Ecto Cooler this go around.
 
As Ghostbusters is my favorite film, this is probably one of my most hyped films ever. That said, I’m a little baffled by some of the reviews. Not the negativity, that’s fine and probably expected, but the major defense of 2016. Here’s the thing, I like 2016, don’t love it like the first two but I’d be lying if I said I hadn’t watched it multiple times, and really dig scenes like the Times Square battle. That said, the fact certain reviewers are slamming Afterlife for the nostalgia yet gushing over 2016 are really overlooking the pandering that film did. I’ll have to see it myself, but as long as every scene in Afterlife isn’t a wink or a nod, then I’m not going to complain about using nostalgia to draw us in.
 
They had the action figures of Afterlife at my local Wally Word, funny they gave the younger Spengler the boot they had 3 of the 80s Busters, the older Spengler kid, his 'girlfriend' and another kid suits and proton packs, but not the younger girl, maybe she comes with the Ecto lol?
 
As Ghostbusters is my favorite film, this is probably one of my most hyped films ever. That said, I’m a little baffled by some of the reviews. Not the negativity, that’s fine and probably expected, but the major defense of 2016. Here’s the thing, I like 2016, don’t love it like the first two but I’d be lying if I said I hadn’t watched it multiple times, and really dig scenes like the Times Square battle. That said, the fact certain reviewers are slamming Afterlife for the nostalgia yet gushing over 2016 are really overlooking the pandering that film did. I’ll have to see it myself, but as long as every scene in Afterlife isn’t a wink or a nod, then I’m not going to complain about using nostalgia to draw us in.
I pretty much disregard any review that praises Ghostbusters 2016 over this because unlike that movie, Afterlife feels like an actual movie and not a high-budget two-hour SNL sketch.
 
I pretty much disregard any review that praises Ghostbusters 2016 over this because unlike that movie, Afterlife feels like an actual movie and not a high-budget two-hour SNL sketch.
I agree. The stuff people are using to compiling about this new movie is laughable. I just saw one idiot on Facebook whine about how one of the new kid characters' nickname is "Podcast" as their reason for saying the movie's gonna suck. A nickname? SERIOUSLY? After the last movie ended with the villain being beaten by getting shot in the dick with proton packs? I'll understand a wonky nickname over overbearing, misguided "girl power" crap any day. At least Jason Reitman knows what the hell he's doing!
 
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As Ghostbusters is my favorite film, this is probably one of my most hyped films ever. That said, I’m a little baffled by some of the reviews. Not the negativity, that’s fine and probably expected, but the major defense of 2016. Here’s the thing, I like 2016, don’t love it like the first two but I’d be lying if I said I hadn’t watched it multiple times, and really dig scenes like the Times Square battle. That said, the fact certain reviewers are slamming Afterlife for the nostalgia yet gushing over 2016 are really overlooking the pandering that film did. I’ll have to see it myself, but as long as every scene in Afterlife isn’t a wink or a nod, then I’m not going to complain about using nostalgia to draw us in.

I read a savage 1 star review for Afterlife in The Guardian and it mentioned the 2016 reboot. I guess a lot of 'battles' were fought back then, and for those who embraced the new cast it must feel like a bitter pill to swallow. There were some genuinely ugly people who hated the female cast and in some respects they won.

Ghostbusters should never have been saddled with this culture war nonsense in the first place. And honestly I don't think it started with some idiots on twitter this time. I think that 2016 reboot was just a bad pitch. Taking a popular IP, erasing the events, characters and props that made it popular, and then more-or-less remaking the original again was a terrible choice. Making the cast all female wasn't even the issue; though it was a lazy idea that only studio executives would think was clever. It was an obviusly cynical hook, a dated, Spice Girls-era 'girl power' statement. Except, there was never anything macho to subvert, just some nerds who struggle with stairs.

Edit: DON'T READ that Guardian review btw. They seemed to imply something very spoilery to my eye.

They had the action figures of Afterlife at my local Wally Word, funny they gave the younger Spengler the boot they had 3 of the 80s Busters, the older Spengler kid, his 'girlfriend' and another kid suits and proton packs, but not the younger girl, maybe she comes with the Ecto lol?

Phoebe has been made but isn't in that assortment. I sincerely hope that your suggestion is why. I want that Ecto 1 ha.
 
Ghostbusters should never have been saddled with this culture war nonsense in the first place.

That's the absurdity of it all right there. So much hatred and anger spewed in all directions, and for what? The backlash would've been the same if they had taken the same remake route with a male cast and did the SNL/modern comedy version of the movie. The fact that they made it a female-led version was just the icing on the cake that invited some nasty people to the party. Just a perfect storm of bad decisions unfortunately. People got so emotionally invested over a truly forgettable movie.

Meanwhile this movie is putting a young girl at the center of it. So to me the idea that somehow this new movie's existence could send a bad message to young girls out there is DOA. I have a feeling they are going to grow the audience for Ghostbusters with Afterlife way more than the 2016 film ever did and turn it into a proper 4 quadrant movie.

The thing these reviewers seem to miss with the criticisms of nostalgia (and I'd include that in recent critiques of Star Wars too), is they think they're saying "shame on you movie- catering to and coddling middle-aged men." But they miss the fact that these are generational films that are passed down. A 10 year old kid who just watched the originals last week is going to enjoy seeing the connections to the originals too. Who doesn't like continuity in their franchises? And I know this, because I have a 10 year old goddaughter who loves GB 1&2 and can't wait for Afterlife.
 
I'm a fan of 3 of the 4 ladies from 2016 huge fan as a mattr of fact Leslie Jones screaming all the time is not for me but that movie was just bad and P. Feig didn't do himself any favors by feeding the trolls

very much looking forward to this the year i don't get thursday badges for comic con i missed them showing this movie :argh:
 
I never understood the vitriol towards Ghostbusters 2016 for having a female cast. I can understand dismissing it for being an unnecessary remake, as I did, but hating on it for having an all-female cast was the same type of horrible internet trolling that John Boyega and Kelly Marie Tran dealt with for the Star Wars sequels.
 
I don't blame them for trying what they did in GB2016. Paul Feig's Bridesmaids is one of the funniest comedies of the last 20 years, The Heat is a contender too. He clearly has an eye for comedy. But Ghostbusters is a very tricky thing. Is not entirely a comedy or entirely horror, it lives in that weird space where it can be both funny and scary. And GB2016 just couldn't find that balance.
Afterlife feels much more in line with the originals, but it also brings something new and different. Tone is key.
 
I agree. The stuff people are using to compiling about this new movie is laughable. I just saw one idiot on Facebook whine about how one of the new kid characters' nickname is "Podcast" as their reason for saying the movie's gonna suck. A nickname? SERIOUSLY? After the last movie ended with the villain being beaten by getting shot in the dick with proton packs? I'll understand a wonky nickname over overbearing, misguided "girl power" crap any day. At least Jason Reitman knows what the hell he's doing?
These types of people are the same who without a sense of irony furiously jerk themselves off about their love of The Goonies.
 
That's the absurdity of it all right there. So much hatred and anger spewed in all directions, and for what? The backlash would've been the same if they had taken the same remake route with a male cast and did the SNL/modern comedy version of the movie. The fact that they made it a female-led version was just the icing on the cake that invited some nasty people to the party. Just a perfect storm of bad decisions unfortunately. People got so emotionally invested over a truly forgettable movie.

Meanwhile this movie is putting a young girl at the center of it. So to me the idea that somehow this new movie's existence could send a bad message to young girls out there is DOA. I have a feeling they are going to grow the audience for Ghostbusters with Afterlife way more than the 2016 film ever did and turn it into a proper 4 quadrant movie.

The thing these reviewers seem to miss with the criticisms of nostalgia (and I'd include that in recent critiques of Star Wars too), is they think they're saying "shame on you movie- catering to and coddling middle-aged men." But they miss the fact that these are generational films that are passed down. A 10 year old kid who just watched the originals last week is going to enjoy seeing the connections to the originals too. Who doesn't like continuity in their franchises? And I know this, because I have a 10 year old goddaughter who loves GB 1&2 and can't wait for Afterlife.
THIS. All of this. This post here exemplifies my problems with GB2016 and why I'm hyped for Afterlife! I'm really sick to death of all these so-called "professional" critics and people on the Internet who use nostalgia and bringing back old franchises as a criticism. There's nothing inherently wrong with that. It's a way of passing the torch to the next generations, both in-story and audiences, and seeing where they go with it and inspire them to maybe someday play in that universe. I honestly feel the newer Star Wars movies and shows are the best example of this: drawing on stuff we're familiar with (NOT remaking the original trilogy, despite what some morons say) and bringing new heroes and villains into the mix while honoring the heroes and events that came before! The sequel trilogy, in that regard, was a lot more inspired and interesting than George Lucas' convoluted prequel trilogy in comparison (I still think the "that's not how the Force works" was a stealth take that to the whole midi-chlorians BS). It may not have been perfect, but at least they were fun and those involved were trying.

The same can be said for GB Afterlife. Making Egon's grandkids the new leads and having them find out about his old team and taking up the Ghostbusters mantel is a cool idea while also borrowing inspiration from Stranger Things with the younger cast (hell, Finn Wolfhard is in both properties). Surprisingly, I actually had a similar idea years back but with Seth Rogen and his crew (Jay Barchell, Craig Robertson, and Danny McBride) as the nephews or sons of the original team taking up the family business! There's nothing wrong with trying ideas like this to continue an old series like this. You just need solid writing and directing to go with it, and it sounds like this movie has that.

I don't blame them for trying what they did in GB2016. Paul Feig's Bridesmaids is one of the funniest comedies of the last 20 years, The Heat is a contender too. He clearly has an eye for comedy. But Ghostbusters is a very tricky thing. Is not entirely a comedy or entirely horror, it lives in that weird space where it can be both funny and scary. And GB2016 just couldn't find that balance.
Afterlife feels much more in line with the originals, but it also brings something new and different. Tone is key.

Exactly. Feig basically just tried doing Bridesmaids again but with a Ghostbusters layover on it and it didn't work. His whole gender-warfare angle's also what caused it to backfire IMO. You can't go around calling everyone who's whining about your movie pre-release sexist and then come off as sexist towards the male gender in your finalized product. That's hypocrisy at its finest. Feig, in an attempt to portray his team as underdogs, basically made every male character either an *******, a pathetic loser in the case of the main villain Rowan, or an ungodly moron for humor in the case of poor Chris Hemsworth's Kevin (seriously, did Loki get ahold of the script?), and then had Rowan defeated by getting blasted in the dick as a show of "girl power".

The original 2 movies never pulled anything like that. Hell, Dana and Janine, despite being supporting roles, were portrayed as strong women would didn't put up with crap (Janine even got to use a proton pack on occasion in the Real Ghostbusters sequel cartoon). The original GB team were considered underdogs because, not only were they dealing with matters that very few people believed were real until they went into business, but also had jerks like Walter Peck in the first movie and the mayor's weasel of a secretary in the second movie trying to undermine their efforts to protect New York. The odds were stacked against them. Also, Peck and the secretary weren't jerks due to gender; they were jerks because they were tiny, pathetic nobodies out to make themselves look good at the expense of the true heroes and everyone else! That's what Paul Feig didn't seem to understand and still doesn't. The fool has continued to defend his movie to this day and blamed us for its failure, while Jason Reitman's genuinely trying to make it up to the fans and honor his father Ivan's legacy, despite idiots on the Internet grasping at straws to find something to ***** about his movie. You tell me which director has the better grasp on this series?
 
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What do people think this movie is going to do OW?
 
Anywhere from 30M - 60M, I’d say. I think its legs will be pretty great in the end.

The 2016 version opened to 46M for reference.
 
Yeah, that sounds about right. I'd say $60M domestic OW is the ceiling for this one.
 
Do we know, if Gozer the Gozerian ist the villain again?
 
Do we know, if Gozer the Gozerian ist the villain again?

I haven't seen it confirmed but I'm avoiding spoilers at this point. We've seen a new take on terror dogs, and there was a glimpse of a "Shandor Mining Company" sign, so I'd say Gozer is pretty likely, at least something Gozer-adjacent.
 
Well, glad I got to see the whole movie a month early since I'll be left behind without a streaming option and it'll be spoiled since I won't be able to catch it theaters.
 
A 'Ghostbusters' led by children would never have been my angle, but the more we see of Phoebe as an adorable little Egon the more I appreciate it.
 
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