Gotham Gotham Season 1, Episode 1 "Pilot" General Discussion

[Kane52630]

http://kane52630.tumblr.com/post/98316612099/s01-e01-pilot-gotham

 

[shauner111]

Quoted for truth. Yeah, we fans know how important Ivy will become so it was a true geek moment. But the few minutes she was on stage didn't overcrowd the story, lol. Most people probably didn't even get the connection. You look at any noir police procedural and you'll likely find the same number of characters. Good cops. Bad cops. Mobsters. Villains. And villain wannabes. In another noir project, the rogues wouldn't be world-famous classic batman villains. Etc., etc.

The pilot wasn't overcrowded at all. I watched a second time and loved it even better. As someone had pointed out, Bruce appropriately screams after his parents are murdered but then starts turning inward in later scenes, eerily calm and already on track to become the emotional mutant Bruce will evolve into.

I also believe peeps are being too harsh on the actress playing Barbara. I thoroughly enjoyed every scene she was in.

Can't wait for next ep!

The pilot didn't have too many characters, it's just some were shoehorned into it as a wink/wink.

How important Ivy will become? I've never seen that character as "important" to the mythology.

Bruce wasn't "eerily calm" at all. I dont know how you see that. And i just felt felt like the actress playing Barbara was bad. It felt like a model or a soap opera actress/character. Montoya and Allen on the other hand, i had no problems with.

I saw it a second time, and i enjoyed the episode a little more. But i had to tune my eyes and ears to the hammy performances. I may have enjoyed the episode more but i still think the acting was pretty bad throughout the show. For about 90 percent of the characters.

 

[DigificWriter]

The pilot didn't have too many characters, it's just some were shoehorned into it as a wink/wink.

That's your opinion, and one that is easily dispelled/countered by the PTBs themselves and the way in which they talk about the series.

 

[Lilbaz]

That's your opinion, and one that is easily dispelled/countered by the PTBs themselves and the way in which they talk about the series.

What's a PTB?

 

[DigificWriter]

^ It stands for 'Powers that Be', and is a colloquial term for the producers/showrunner(s) of a given television series. The term originated on the Buffy the Vampire Slayer spinoff ANGEL (where it referred to the mysterious 'higher power(s)' that were sending Angel the visions he used to help people and atone for his past sins), with fans of the series being the first to apply it in its colloquial form (as far as I'm aware, anyway).

 

[Supernova]

If you think they didnt shoe horn some of these future villians into the pilot your dellusional. They clearly did that to get high ratings for the pilot.

 

[pnakasone]

Pilots suffer as they try to put in as many characters as story allows. Things should clam down a bit as they will not need to show every one off.

 

[DigificWriter]

If you think they didnt shoe horn some of these future villians into the pilot your dellusional. They clearly did that to get high ratings for the pilot.

You clearly can't be bothered to do any research, so I'm going to help you out by telling you to go to the official Gotham Youtube channel and watch the first part of the "Legend Reborn" Behind-the-Scenes featurette.

 

[Supernova]

or will they if ratings start to slide will they do it again? Im sure there be alot of fall off from this week to next week. We all know the studio will demand some well known villians to get fans to stay.

 

[Lilbaz]

^ It stands for 'Powers that Be', and is a colloquial term for the producers/showrunner(s) of a given television series. The term originated on the Buffy the Vampire Slayer spinoff ANGEL (where it referred to the mysterious 'higher power(s)' that were sending Angel the visions he used to help people and atone for his past sins), with fans of the series being the first to apply it in its colloquial form (as far as I'm aware, anyway).

Thanks.

 

[DigificWriter]

or will they if ratings start to slide will they do it again? Im sure there be alot of fall off from this week to next week. We all know the studio will demand some well known villians to get fans to stay.

Like I just said, go watch the "Legend Reborn" video.

 

[Tyrell Wellick]

what a load of bull.**** that was...

 

[Binker]

Finally got to see the pilot, and it is now the new show on my watch list.

The actors are right on with their parts; from Gordon, Bullock, I want to see more of Selina and Bruce, and speaking of which, and I can see David Mazouz putting on the suit in 10 years.

And yeah, that's where my still-on my mind-criticism is still present. Gotham still feels like it's Smallville all over again. Are we going to wait 10 years until Batman shows up? Better yet, will they have enough stories to create enough great seasons? Another factor is that we have, already, the villains in the rogues gallery. Granted, they are not "there" yet, but still: they are here now already instead of later.


...and was that the Joker? Why?!

My only hope is that they pull something like in Season 2, set it a few years later, and we deal with a teenage Bruce Wayne and it's a new set of rules for that character and everything around him.

Now I should point out that, yes, Gotham is about Gordon, and the city before Batman and why Batman came to exist, I know that. But, whether it be just me or more than me who sees this, Gotham is a Batman show. We're just waiting for that to show up.

BTW, The actor playing Nygma didn't quite look like, but did feel like, Jim Carrey in visual. Speaking of Batman Forever, Wayne Manor in Gotham is the same Wayne Man or from both that movie and Batman & Robin. Yup, it's back.

Possible foreshadowing: "there will be light" perhaps the final episode of the series will be that light: the bat signal?


Can't wait for episode 2.

 

[Joe Von Zombie]

There are going to be a few Jokers

 

[shauner111]

That's your opinion, and one that is easily dispelled/countered by the PTBs themselves and the way in which they talk about the series.

Sure. But it doesn't make it right or good because they said that's how it needs to be. If that's the mindset then everything is well done if they said it's well done. "The powers that be said they're not shoehorned so everyone must agree that they're not shoehorned". That's kinda stupid no?

If you think they didnt shoe horn some of these future villians into the pilot your dellusional. They clearly did that to get high ratings for the pilot.

Exactly. Every person i talk to, on or off the computer, out of my friends who i dont discuss this show with at all beforehand, others on other forums who are simply fans of film and tv that were curious to see if it was good (no hidden agendas)..EVERYONE has told me the same thing. That the Nygma and Ivy scenes, and Selina as well, were forced into it so hard.

 

[Lilbaz]

The reason I think they crammed so many "villains" into the pilot is because we are going to have an in depth look at them through the course of the series. This week it was mostly Fish and Penguin. Next week Selina. Then at some point, the riddler, ivy etc...

This episode not only introduced us to the characters but also introduced Jim to them. He knows Ivy and was partly responsible for her fathers death. You can see why he might look out for her in future.

Could they have left it till later in the series? Probably, but now it's out of the way.

 

[Bwahaha!]

I thought she was a little off. But I think that was intentional. She has secrets.

The actress playing Barbara has a slight airhead type voice and I'm thinking that might've turned some off. But some girls naturally speak in that tone and when they look like that actress, lots of men sure do love them! I didn't find anything unbelievable about her performance or her relationship with Gordon (or even her supposed past relationship with the female cop). Actually, if it turns out they were lesbian lovers, that's a nice nod to Batwoman from the books. It's a different character, and I don't think the actress will ever play Batwoman, but still a nod to the Bat Universe.

 

[Lilbaz]

The actress playing Barbara has a slight airhead type voice and I'm thinking that might've turned some off. But some girls naturally speak in that tone and when they look like that actress, lots of men sure do love them! I didn't find anything unbelievable about her performance or her relationship with Gordon (or even her supposed past relationship with the female cop). Actually, if it turns out they were lesbian lovers, that's a nice nod to Batwoman from the books. It's a different character, and I don't think the actress will ever play Batwoman, but still a nod to the Bat Universe.

Isn't the cop supposed to be a lesbian in the Bat Universe?

 

[Bwahaha!]

The pilot didn't have too many characters, it's just some were shoehorned into it as a wink/wink.

How important Ivy will become? I've never seen that character as "important" to the mythology.

Bruce wasn't "eerily calm" at all. I dont know how you see that. And i just felt felt like the actress playing Barbara was bad. It felt like a model or a soap opera actress/character. Montoya and Allen on the other hand, i had no problems with.

I saw it a second time, and i enjoyed the episode a little more. But i had to tune my eyes and ears to the hammy performances. I may have enjoyed the episode more but i still think the acting was pretty bad throughout the show. For about 90 percent of the characters.

I admit, the wink-wink moments came too often. The one that really bothered me was how they kept saying Penguin. It's like, we get it! Once was enough. Lol.

As for Ivy, I'm psyched we finally get a live-action rendition of this rogue. Always loved her and love how they're linking her to Bruce on GOTHAM.

When I described young Bruce as eerily calm, I was talking about that last scene with Gordon. He'd just lost both parents in a gruesome manner and endured the funeral and yet he is awfully composed--very adult like--when interacting with the cop on the case, especially after discovering the killer is still at large. Hell, Brhuce was strangely grateful the killer wasn't caught yet, calmly contemplating his vigilante revenge.

Don't agree with you at all on the acting. I thought the cast was superb. I do agree several lines were over the top, but that's par for the course in comic book projects. At least we likely won't have to suffer through endless quips.

 

[Bwahaha!]

Isn't the cop supposed to be a lesbian in the Bat Universe?

I stopped reading the new 52 Batwoman book and can't remember. But Batwoman is def gay.

 

[Frodo]

The reason I think they crammed so many "villains" into the pilot is because we are going to have an in depth look at them through the course of the series. This week it was mostly Fish and Penguin. Next week Selina. Then at some point, the riddler, ivy etc...

This episode not only introduced us to the characters but also introduced Jim to them. He knows Ivy and was partly responsible for her fathers death. You can see why he might look out for her in future.

Could they have left it till later in the series? Probably, but now it's out of the way.

Yeah. I really didn't have issues with it. They're series regulars. For the most part however , the pilot focused on alot characters who aren't all that well known outside the fan community. We fans know these characters so to us it feels like " Ah, i'm tired of all these winks and nods!" where as the average viewer who isn't a diehard comicbook fan will say, "Hey, that's Riddler, Penguin and Catwoman. Cool!"

I would suspect that fans were probably alot harder on the pilot than the average viewer was , but then again we are usually grade these things harder then the causal viewer.

 

[Bwahaha!]

The reason I think they crammed so many "villains" into the pilot is because we are going to have an in depth look at them through the course of the series. This week it was mostly Fish and Penguin. Next week Selina. Then at some point, the riddler, ivy etc...

This episode not only introduced us to the characters but also introduced Jim to them. He knows Ivy and was partly responsible for her fathers death. You can see why he might look out for her in future.

Could they have left it till later in the series? Probably, but now it's out of the way.

Yeah, and I liked Ivy's inclusion. I also thought having her stand by the plant, even with the spray bottle, was fine. It'd been heavy-handed if she started petting the plant and creepily saying, "Pretty, pretty plant, so very pretty."

Lol. So far, I trust the creative team. Great, if not perfect, beginning. I'll def be along for the GOTHAM ride.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

I would suspect that fans were probably alot harder on the pilot than the average viewer was , but then again we are usually grade these things harder then the causal viewer.

Nahhhh....ya think?

 

[Lilbaz]

I stopped reading the new 52 Batwoman book and can't remember. But Batwoman is def gay.

From Wiki

Renee Montoya is a fictional comic book character published by DC Comics. The character was initially created for Batman: The Animated Series, and was preemptively introduced into mainstream comics before the airing of her animated debut in 1992.[1]

The character has developed significantly over the years. Renee Montoya is initially a detective from the Gotham City Police Department, assigned to the Major Crimes Unit who comes into frequent contact with the masked vigilante, Batman. Over the course of her comic book history, Renee is outed as a lesbian, and later resigns from the police force, disgusted by its corruption. After being trained by the first man to bear the name, Montoya has operated as the Question out of a lighthouse she shares with Aristotle Rodor on the Outer Banks of North Carolina.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

Exactly. Every person i talk to, on or off the computer, out of my friends who i dont discuss this show with at all beforehand, others on other forums who are simply fans of film and tv that were curious to see if it was good (no hidden agendas)..EVERYONE has told me the same thing. That the Nygma and Ivy scenes, and Selina as well, were forced into it so hard.

In their OPINION. The EVERYONE who I know saw the show...said they liked it. Go figure....

Anyways....it was a PILOT that introduces characters. Things won't the same in future episodes.