Guardians of the Galaxy Guardians of the Galaxy: General Discussion & Speculation Thread - - - - - - - - Part 17

[JC00]

Might not be the same footage as the comic con stuff

Well Feige has come out and said that theaters and the internet won't be seeing any AoU footage for awhile.

 

[The Ironstar]

Kirby docs:

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[Moridin]

Is that going to be set in the MCU? I was reading comics the other day and Maria Hill said BH6 was handling something in Japan. I know it's CGI but it makes me wonder

Nope, not set in the MCU.

Also, *brainfart* my last post there should have been in another thread. Accidentally posted it here.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Guys the score by tyler bates is on Spotify!!!

 

[doink]

Is that going to be set in the MCU? I was reading comics the other day and Maria Hill said BH6 was handling something in Japan. I know it's CGI but it makes me wonder

BH6 isn't in the MCU, it's in its own universe and there will be no Avengers references in it.

 

[The Endless]

Love this quote by Gunn

Honestly, some of the latest superhero movies take themselves so seriously, they feel like a joke. This desperate, angsty need for 'coolness' is sort of pathetic. Guardians is a big reaction against that.

 

[Broseph44]

Love this quote by Gunn

Well said.

 

[Rock Sexton]

Love this quote by Gunn

That's bound to rile up the you-know-who's .... LOL

 

[kedrell]

Guys the score by tyler bates is on Spotify!!!

Some user named Dirk Digler is currently uploading the soundtrack to youtube for anyone who wants to look it up.

 

[kedrell]

That's bound to rile up the you-know-who's .... LOL

Heh, no kidding.. That's pretty much a straight shot across WB and Fox's bow. I heartily approve.

 

[TeeKay]

Love this quote by Gunn

 

[kedrell]

Love this quote by Gunn

I'd have said the whole of the MCU is that way for the most part. I love how they don't make things dark just out of some silly adolescent idea that it's what makes movies/comics/books/stories good. That's what a teenager thinks before he/she grows up.

 

[The Endless]

Pretty much. Although i understand it for certain characters, like Batman.

But to use Man of Steel as an example, I think WB and Snyder took the ignorant "Superman is lame and cheesy" criticisms seriously, instead of ignoring them, as they should have. So instead of presenting Superman as he should be, an optimistic and anti-cynical superhero, they pandered to the people who think nihilism and cynicism is "cool" and optimism and fun is "lame".

 

[JAK®]

I maintain that Superman was an optimistic character in MOS.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

Some user named Dirk Digler is currently uploading the soundtrack to youtube for anyone who wants to look it up.

it's nothing groundbreaking, but I'm quite enjoying it my favorite track is "To the stars"

 

[kedrell]

They failed to treat their perceived weaknesses head on and turn them into strengths. Instead they hid from them and altered the IP too far.

 

[kedrell]

I maintain that Superman was an optimistic character in MOS.

Maybe he is an optimistic character in it but the movie itself didn't seem to be very optimistic.

 

[Son of Coul]

Love this quote by Gunn

Spot-on. The problem with ultra-serious movies in the genre (and in general, frankly) isn't because of some silly, "I just wanna be entertained!" mentality. It's because some of the self-seriousness and self-importance is just embarrassing and at times, laughable.

 

[MahvelBaby!]

I maintain that Superman was an optimistic character in MOS.

I feel he was as well, but the film around him wasn't at all IMO it's in the film making approach by snyder where the optimism is lost,(Edit) most of the optimism comes from Jor-El as well he was my favorite part of the film. I'm not a Snyder fan at all which is why I'm cautiously optimistic about BVS....anywho so happy with direction the MCU has taken particularly this film it doesn't always work perfectly, but when it does, it's awesome. I guess the more serious approach is cool too when done correctly a la TDK and X-Men DOFP I guess it is cool to have the yin to the yang.

 

[The Endless]

I maintain that Superman was an optimistic character in MOS.

I don't think he was. And it's because of his fathers cynical (although understandable) teachings.

He was so scared and cynical of humanities reaction to him he just stood and watched his father die. Then became a nomad for 10 years not knowing what to do until he was told by his other father. That isn't Clark Kent, whether he is fully formed as Superman or not. It was a needless Batman esque tragedy inserted into his origin. Because tragedy and conflict is inherently compelling, apparently.

It would have been better if he disobeyed his father and showed some faith in humanity. Also some decisiveness of his own... instead of obeying orders all the damn time.

All that said, if in Dawn of Justice Superman has grown into his role and embraces it with pride and optimism... all will be forgiven.

If not? If he's still brooding and burdened by his responsibilities? They may as well change his name to The Sentry.

 

[The Endless]

Spot-on. The problem with ultra-serious movies in the genre (and in general, frankly) isn't because of some silly, "I just wanna be entertained!" mentality. It's because some of the self-seriousness and self-importance is just embarrassing and at times, laughable.

Most definitely. When something is trying really hard to be taken seriously, or plays it's ridiculous aspects completely straight and unaware of how ridiculous they are... it ends up like an unintentional joke.

 

[Son of Coul]

Maybe he is an optimistic character in it but the movie itself didn't seem to be very optimistic.

More damning than the fact that the movie's ideology seemed cynical would be the fact that it felt cynically made.

 

[JAK®]

I don't think he was. And it's because of his fathers cynical (although understandable) teachings.

He was so scared and cynical of humanities reaction to him he just stood and watched his father die. Then became a nomad for 10 years not knowing what to do until he was told by his other father. That isn't Clark Kent, whether he is fully formed as Superman or not. It was a needless Batman esque tragedy inserted into his origin. Because tragedy and conflict is inherently compelling, apparently.

It would have been better if he disobeyed his father and showed some faith in humanity. Also some decisiveness of his own... instead of obeying orders all the damn time.

All that said, if in Dawn of Justice Superman has grown into his role and embraces it with pride and optimism... all will be forgiven.

If not? If he's still brooding and burdened by his responsibilities? They may as well change his name to The Sentry.

He wanted to do what was right, and he didn't know what 'right' was. He demonstrated time and time again that he was willing to protect people; the incident with the bus, defending the waitress, saving the men on the oil rig. All before becoming Superman. He didn't save Jonathan because Jonathan told him not to. Failing to save Jonathan has been part of Superman's history even before MOS.

Doubt, conflict and uncertainty do not suggest a lack of optimism. The scene of him overcoming the world engine is one of the few in comic book movie history where the hero actually overcomes an impossible challenge through the power of his own virtues.

 

[The Endless]

He wanted to do what was right, and he didn't know what 'right' was. He demonstrated time and time again that he was willing to protect people; the incident with the bus, defending the waitress, saving the men on the oil rig. All before becoming Superman. He didn't save Jonathan because Jonathan told him not to. Failing to save Jonathan has been part of Superman's history even before MOS.

He knows what is right, sure. But thanks to his father he doesn't have faith in humanity. He is cynical in believing that the world would go crazy if he revealed himself.

He's never actually had to witness his dad die in front of him when he actually could have saved him. I thought they fumbled the ball with that entire scene.

Doubt, conflict and uncertainty do not suggest a lack of optimism.

No, but having no faith in humanity does. Superman by very definition should have faith in humanity. And they should have faith in him. Sure he has private moments where he struggles with his responsibilities. But he isn't The Sentry or The Plutonian. Superman is supposed to stand out amongst the countless cynical expys.

The scene of him overcoming the world engine is one of the few in comic book movie history where the hero actually overcomes an impossible challenge through the power of his own virtues.

You mean will power and physical strength? That was a great scene though, for sure.

Anyway enough *****ing about Man of Steel, which i did enjoy actually. I just worry that this vision of Superman will continue into the sequel. Hopefully by then he has grown into the role, embraced it and has faith in humanity.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Lets be realistic. GotG and Ant-Man have a chance because they are connected to MCU. Without the brand name, these wouldn't have a chance. Thankfully they are.

Although GOTG seemingly being a genuinly good movie will help.