Gymrats & Stalkers: "I Was Assaulted In A Public Restroom"

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Sadly, LS, I feel like you set yourself up for this one :csad: Your instincts already had you feeling nervous when you got up to his room, and you should've listened to them. At this point, he clearly isn't respecting you. Block his number if you have to. Talking to him sounded like a good idea at first, but I doubt it will be very successful, the way he's acting. Time to just cut the cord on your own.

Also, yes, the fact that you didn't IMMEDIATELY push David away qualifies as cheating, to me.
 
Well after reading what broke up David and LS in the first place, I'd kinda like to see them work things out. 11 years broken up by tragedy is just wrong and sad. But that's besides the point. LS definitely made a mistake and did Jason dirty with his actions.
 
Sadly, LS, I feel like you set yourself up for this one :csad: Your instincts already had you feeling nervous when you got up to his room, and you should've listened to them. At this point, he clearly isn't respecting you. Block his number if you have to. Talking to him sounded like a good idea at first, but I doubt it will be very successful, the way he's acting. Time to just cut the cord on your own.

Also, yes, the fact that you didn't IMMEDIATELY push David away qualifies as cheating, to me.

Agreed.

And the fact that you didn't resist and went with it, means some-where deep down, you wanted it. Sorry, LS.
 
LS, you had to know this was David's intention from the get go. So yeah, sorry you cheated, you started the post off saying how great he looked, kept letting him lead you into his hotel room and then didn't stop him when he kissed you, that qualifies as cheating to me.

I hate to say it, but I agree also. It seemed like a setup from the get-go LS, and they way you described it certainly didn't help. Still, you're not wanting to hurt Jason, so I'd at least reply to David on his texts, but only that you really need to talk, then find a public place for you and him to speak. You may be able to work something out, but don't give into David after all that you've gone through with Jason.
 
I apologized to David over the phone. He didn't understand why but I told him that it was wrong of me to put us in a predicament like that (even though it was he who egged it on). I also told him I would not be able to see him again and that dinner with his family is definitely out of the question. That really offended him, but...whatever.

I reiterated to him that although I had a moment of weakness at the hotel, it was more nostalgia for me (and the fact that we never had a chance to really resolve the issue that split us up in the first place). I was careful not to use terms like, "I will always love/have a place/blaa blaa blaa for you" so that he wouldn't think I might renege again. I told him that I was really serious about dating the guy I was with and that even the little bit of lip action I did with Dave was disrespectful to Jason. I told him how crushed I felt about what I had done--and that I would never allow myself to feel this way again.

Needless to say, Dave was not happy about of it. In fact, he cussed me out on the phone and hung up while I was still talking. But he later called back and apologized for overreacting. He said he never realized how much he actually missed me until I was gone for so long. I told him that he should've given more consideration to that before he made the choices he did back in the summer. He asked if I was mad at him and I told him no...more dissapointed that anything else. But what's done is done. I said I've got a really good guy that I want to pursue things with and if I ever felt that Dave would be a threat to that I would completely cut him off. He was like, "Damn...okay." I then concluded by telling him that I hope we can be friends and then I turned off my phone.

There's more...
 
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Jason rearranged his plans for tommorrow evening. He informed me this morning (before he left for work) that he had told his mom that he had to "go to work" tommorrow night and report by 9pm. So to accomodate him, she rescheduled her Christmas dinner for 5pm versus the original time frame of 7pm. Of course, this was a lie on Jason's part--he doesn't have to work at all. But he said that he was hoping we could do a little Christmas dinner of our own tommorrow night after he gets back from his family's home. This really touched me and of course, made me feel even worse and more guilty.

So........

I got up the courage to tell him everything. And I do mean EVERYTHING. I explained to him all about my history with David, the fact that we were together for 11 years, the tragic accident that broke our relationship and that he was the one I had picked up from the airport. Jason said that he knew all along that I was probably picking up Dave. I told him that Dave made a pass at me and that I had a temporary moment of weakness (in that I lingered too long instead of pushing off a lot faster). It was so hard for me to be honest with Jason but he had stopped what he was doing at this point and sat down on the bed and just listened to what I had to say. When I mentioned the lip-locking, he cussed under his breath and said..."Okay. So how far did you go?"

I told him that that was the extent of it. And that the reason I think I temporarily forgot who I was is because of the fact that I'd been with the same guy for over a decade of my life and because we didn't end the relationship properly I kinda got lost in the nostalgia of my old friend. So then Jason said, "I can understand that. Especially if you've been with dude for 11 years. But do you want him back?" And I told him no, and explained that that was the reason I bounced out of the joint. He wanted to know exactly how long I was with David in the hotel. I said "I was there in the hotel room for probably all of 4 or 5 minutes TOTAL, but it was 4 or 5 minutes too long."

Jason got quiet for a minute and then said he believed my story. And he said that he actually respected me for being up front ahout everything and being honest about what happened. He said he could've done without knowing this but in a way he was glad I had been up front. This shocked the hell out of me. :dry: I know that Jason has ice water in his veins but he was almost a bit too cool with it. So I had to ask him: "Aren't you mad about this? Aren't you ready to kick my ass to the curb?" Jason was like, Hell yeah I'm pissed as f*** about it...you were dead wrong for seeing dude in the first place. You set yourself up for failure Caliph...you are smarter than that."

Then he said that it took guts for me to admit something like this so early in our relationship, esp. considering that I didn't have to tell him s***, and he would've been none-the-wiser. He also mentioned that Christmas is all about forgiving, and that if this relationship is gonna work we are going to have to learn to trust and forgive eachother. He said he was glad that despite the "delayed reaction" things finally "clicked" with me that what I was doing was wrong and that I had the courage to leave. He said that given the same situation, he probably would've been tempted to do the same thing. But he said, "Make no mistake, stay the f*** away from this David guy. It's about you and me now."


So...unbelievably...I've actually been forgiven by this cat.

And I know that Jason is still pissed about it (as he should be). But he texted me today saying he's looking forward to our first Xmas dinner as a couple. Personally...I still feel like s***...like I don't deserve either one of these guys. :csad: But I've learned some valuable lessons from this experience.

EDIT: The only thing that Jason said that still concerns/puzzles me is this statement: "I knew from jump that getting with someone that looked like you would have a hard time staying out of temptation. But I signed up for that I guess."

W....T.....F.....? :confused:
 
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Awwwwwwww.

EDIT: The only thing that Jason said that still concerns/puzzles me is this statement: "I knew from jump that getting with someone that looked like you would have a hard time staying out of temptation. But I signed up for that I guess."

W....T.....F.....? :confused:

I think he's trying to pay you a ham-handed compliment (just like I could imagine myself doing to a girl) saying that you look so good you're going to have all of the guys on your arse (sorry, poor choice of words...) after you.
 
I had a funny feeling that David would try to make a pass at you. (I'm just glad you stopped him in his tracks and were completely honest with Jason.) You seem to have a very good guy in Jason...he deserves your honesty.
 
I had a funny feeling that David would try to make a pass at you. (I'm just glad you stopped him in his tracks and were completely honest with Jason.) You seem to have a very good guy in Jason...he deserves your honesty.

Yeah...I am very, very lucky. However, I do believe that if things had gone farther with Dave the outcome with Jason would've been far different.

Bottom line: I can never be alone with David again. He's too passive-aggressive and I realize that now more than before.

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I think he's trying to pay you a ham-handed compliment (just like I could imagine myself doing to a girl) saying that you look so good you're going to have all of the guys on your arse (sorry, poor choice of words...) after you.

Really? I can't really see that as a compliment...:csad: Besides, Jason got a pretty chisled up bod too, and yet I'm not worried about women pushing up on him. :p

For some reason I don't think that's what he meant by that...it was a weird comment...and the timing of it was weird too.
 
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Yeah...I am very, very lucky. However, I do believe that if things had gone farther with Dave the outcome with Jason would've been far different.

Bottom line: I can never be alone with David again. He's too passive-aggressive and I realize that now more than before.

I think the important thing here is that you are aware of all of this now.
 
Damn, Caliph.....I hope you realize you walked into that one, and you are VERY lucky to still have your relationship with Jason after admitting everything, especially with how new your relationship is.

But, IMO, David was disrespecting you and your relationship by saying "what you dude doesn't know won't hurt him" and initiating the kiss, and is still disrespecting it by sending you suggestive text messages, and I think you should let him know that in no uncertain terms. IMO it is NOT COOL to pursue someone so aggressively when you know they're in a relationship with someone else that they are trying to make work (then again this advice is coming from someone who spent April to October of this year having sex with his ex while said ex was- and still is- engaged to a girl, so feel free to disregard any relationship advice from me if you see fit).

Not letting yourself be lured into a private situation with David again is probably a good idea.
 
Damn, Caliph.....I hope you realize you walked into that one, and you are VERY lucky to still have your relationship with Jason after admitting everything, especially with how new your relationship is.

But, IMO, David was disrespecting you and your relationship by saying "what you dude doesn't know won't hurt him" and initiating the kiss, and is still disrespecting it by sending you suggestive text messages, and I think you should let him know that in no uncertain terms. IMO it is NOT COOL to pursue someone so aggressively when you know they're in a relationship with someone else that they are trying to make work (then again this advice is coming from someone who spent April to October of this year having sex with his ex while said ex was- and still is- engaged to a girl, so feel free to disregard any relationship advice from me if you see fit).

Not letting yourself be lured into a private situation with David again is probably a good idea.

I think your situation is a little different Schloss. As far as your opinion, I couldn't agree more. David's actions were incredibly disrespectful. I'm just glad that LS put a stop to it before it went any further.
 
^ I know my situation is different, I was just acknowledging I might not be the most solid person to hand out relationship advice.
 
Really? I can't really see that as a compliment...:csad: Besides, Jason got a pretty chisled up bod too, and yet I'm not worried about women pushing up on him. :p

For some reason I don't think that's what he meant by that...it was a weird comment...and the timing of it was weird too.
Well, I am only working off of text which can easily miss inflection, but that's how I read it.
 
My impression was also that it was an awkward way of trying to pay a compliment.
 
what an interesting thread, but you should never let anybody disrespect you like that.
 
Unlike the rest of you, I didn't take Jason's comment as a compliment. Yes, he's saying Cal is good looking, but to me that also implies that he expected Cal to cheat :huh: Make no mistake, Jason may forgive, but he will not forget this. Coming from someone who was cheated on in a prior relationship, you are gonna have to work your ass off to gain trust with Jason even moreso than before, now. He's probably going to be secretly very, very nervous. However, while I was never able to trust the person who cheated on me, it was a worse situation than yours, and I think that due to your timeliness and honesty that your relationship will be ok.

However, my advice remains the same: STAY AWAY FROM DAVID. I do not think you will be able to be friends with this man, and I'm sorry. But I think that David is the one who ruined that chance. This is a case where sorry, I don't think he should get a second chance to "just be friends," because he disrespected the hell out of you, and even moreso disrespected Jason. Jason WILL hate him from now on, because he's not just the ex that he has to worry about whether you will ever love him (Jason, that is) as much as you loved David, but now he will worry about David trying to lure you into temptation. If he hears about you interacting with David ever again, he's gonna be mad and jealous, and I can't say that I blame him.
 
It seems the moral of this story is, don't whip out your dick when confronted by two agressive gay dudes in a public restroom.

The funny thing about this story is how often we ignore our instincts to avoid embarrassment or overreacting. For instance you could have walked out of that bathroom and simply gone to another one. Just like sometimes you know you should cross the street when you see a bunch of black guys heading your way, but you don't, even when your instincts say something is wrong. I've learned that you always have to be on guard. I hate having to do this, but there's really no choice. I've had alot of my own "misadventures" although none of them involved gay dudes, restrooms and penises, I ended up being in similiar violent altercations, which even if I couldn't avoid I could have at least been alot more ready for.
 
That compliment means that, of course... you look good. But if I said that to a woman... it would mean that I knew that she was going to be too foine for me to hold onto permanently. I would say that about a high maintenance looking woman who is the center of attention wherever she goes. She may not actively seek it, but that's what she would be... and it would be miraculous for me to even pull someone like that. If I did pull someone like that... I wouldn't expect it to last forever.

That's what I think he meant.
 
Unlike the rest of you, I didn't take Jason's comment as a compliment. Yes, he's saying Cal is good looking, but to me that also implies that he expected Cal to cheat :huh: Make no mistake, Jason may forgive, but he will not forget this. Coming from someone who was cheated on in a prior relationship, you are gonna have to work your ass off to gain trust with Jason even moreso than before, now. He's probably going to be secretly very, very nervous. However, while I was never able to trust the person who cheated on me, it was a worse situation than yours, and I think that due to your timeliness and honesty that your relationship will be ok.

However, my advice remains the same: STAY AWAY FROM DAVID. I do not think you will be able to be friends with this man, and I'm sorry. But I think that David is the one who ruined that chance. This is a case where sorry, I don't think he should get a second chance to "just be friends," because he disrespected the hell out of you, and even moreso disrespected Jason. Jason WILL hate him from now on, because he's not just the ex that he has to worry about whether you will ever love him (Jason, that is) as much as you loved David, but now he will worry about David trying to lure you into temptation. If he hears about you interacting with David ever again, he's gonna be mad and jealous, and I can't say that I blame him.
I agree with this whole heartedly. I'd say it was a joking statement, but it just doesn't seem to read like that to me. I agree with the above advice as well. I hate to admit it, but I cheated on my girlfriend once, a mistake I'll never make again. But at the time, our daughter wasn't even one yet, and we split for 5 months after. We're together again, and happy with our daughter, but I almost lot a lot over a few stupid acts I did, so I can tell you Lightning that staying away from david is best. I know it hurts you to think about it, but it's what has to be done if you ever want Jason to stay with you. I mean he had a conversation not long ago about cheating in the gay community, and then this happens. I'm sure that's the first place his mind went when he heard about it, so his trust on ot just you, but the whole lifestyle in general is probably making him wary right now.
 
Alright LS, you know we're all on edge to see what's gone down since Christmas. Hope it all went well for you :up:
 
So...basically, I had the Chrismas from hell.

I'm not going to go into all of the background and detail on what led up to the events that made my Christmas the suck (for the unititiated, you can referenece the "I Was Assaulted In A Public Restroom" thread), but needless to say I am living in a world of trouble. :dry:

My ex-significant other David was in town for Christmas to visit his family. Originally, he was going to leave on December 26th. However, he has decided to extend his visit through New Years. I'm not exactly sure why he's decided to stay longer (although I have an idea) but via text message he has stated that he has some "unfinished business" he needs to tend to. He is still angry with me for the way I cut him off. Since then, he has sent dozens and dozens of text messages, some of them threatening and almost all of them so vulgar that I can't even type them here. But needless to say, he's pissed that I've moved on and am now dating someone else after 11 years of being in a relationship with him--which he broke off unceremoniously.

Now, my current partner Jason cut short his time with his family so that we could have Christmas dinner at my place, exchange gifts and...ya know...celebrate. [BLACKOUT]. This was Christmas night. Now, in my efforts to keep this thing PG-13, if I use the term "celebrate" I really am referring to :wall:ing. [/BLACKOUT] So we were having a good time, had a nice dinner, and were watching the conclusion to one of my old-time holiday favorites "Sound Of Music" (because Julie Andrews is second to none). Well, it was about 1:30am when the doorbell rang. That was unusual for obvious reasons. Jason got up to go answer it but no one spoke back through the intercom. He came back and said that perhaps the person had the wrong number. I thought that since it was the holiday--and with so many drunks walking around--perhaps someone did indeed have the wrong place. So I also ignored it.

Jason went upstairs to take a shower. I went into the kitchen to get some booze and other refreshments to...ya know, celebrate. As I was raiding the fridge, the door bell rang again. This time I will admit my heart kinda pounded a bit because it was weird. I went to the intercom and said "hello?" And once again, no one answered. I looked out the window at the street below. Obviously it was packed with lots of my neighbors' cars. Nothing seemed out of the ordinary. I went upstairs and told Jason that the bell had rang again and I was gonna go downstairs and check it out. He was like, "let me come with you," and turned off the shower. I said I could handle it myself and would return in a few minutes.

I went downstairs into the lobby and asked the doorman if anyone had been in the area. Keep in mind that we have a new doorman and he's totally absorbed with reading mags and papers when he's not getting the door. Personally, I think he needs to be fired. :dry: Anyway, he said a good number of residents had returned home within the last hour. I asked if anyone else had been ringing the doorbells. He said that again a number of people had been doing this. I asked if a tall Italian-looking man with black hair had come in. He thought about it for a minute and said that a tall dark-haired "Ambercrombie-looking guy" had been ringing a bell. This fits David's description, but then the doorman said that someone had let him in eventually. So that threw me off a bit. I asked if the doorman had seen this man leave again but he couldn't remember. The incompetent fool. :whatever:

By that point, Jason had come down to the lobby and he had brought a coat for me saying "You are gonna catch a cold man (I was only wearing a wife-beater and khakis)." Since nothing seemed weird, we went back upstairs to my place (which, for those who don't know is co-owned by David).

I told Jason that I was concerned that maybe my ex-sig other was stalking me and he asked me why I felt that way. I mentioned the doorbell ringing and he said that that in itself was not proof. So I told him about some the text messages. I actually showed them to him since I had been saving them all. He read them and his eyebrows raised like "WTF?" He asked me if David had a violent history and I told him that we had only gotten in one physical altercation way early on in our relationship and it wasn't even that deep. It was just some shoving and he was drunk at the time. But aside from that, nothing. He said that still this could be serious, and that the text messages suggested that he could be hostile. However, since we had no proof that David was even in the area, Jason suggested that we should just go to bed and deal with it the next morning. We exchanged gifts and uh, "celebrated" our first Christmas. Naturally that took both of our minds off of everything. :p

When I woke up the next morning, I found that I had two text messages on my cellphone. The first one said:

"Your new boy is hot. Nice [expletive]. U sure know how to pick them don't you."

And the other said,

"Thanks for the entertainment."

:eek: x 1,000,000,000.

WTF!!!?!?!?!

Okay, so this was some sort of horror movie s*** now. And the last text message really creeped me out. All I could think of was "was David watching us :wall: the night before?" Although I have drapes to my bedroom windows, if you get up high enough you probably can see something through the arches at the top of the windows. And there ARE other brownstones lining the street across from us. Obviously only David would know where my master bedroom is at.

I showed Jason the text messages. He was like, "Holy s***. Okay. Put your clothes on man." As always Jason was cool as ice. Nothing seems to ruffle dude's feathers. He wanted to go down to the courtyard and see what conditions our cars were in. We got down to the garage and sure enough my car had been keyed. Also, the driver's door was open yet nothing was taken out and the alarm never went off. In addition, the tires on both mine and Jason's ride--had been flattened. Not slashed, but deflated. Jason was like, "Okay, we do have a problem now."

I said, "I'm going to call the f***ing cops." He said, "Caliph, I AM a f***ing cop. Let me handle this my way." Jason wasn't in his jurisdiction so I was confused by his reaction. I'm no police officer, but I have a limited understanding of their protocol. But he said that since his car was involved too he wanted to take a look at the security tapes himself and deal with David--or whoever this vandal was--himself. I was a little frustrated/pissed off with this approach because I felt basically Jason didn't want to call it in because his DL fears felt it would connect him to me (since he had stayed the night there). I was like, "What the f*** does it matter? You could've been just staying the building visiting someone else--you and I don't have to know eachother." But he said that the video cameras would obviously tell a different story.

At first, this really, really angered me. I felt that Jason was letting his own DL hangups get in the way of him doing his job--or at least me getting some other cops to do his job for him. There were some terrible things scratched into my car's paint job which I won't even repeat here...and I wanted whoever did it brought to justice.

In the end, Jason changed his mind and called the local precinct himself. A male and female cop came out in like 20 minutes and took our statements. At first I tried to play it off as if I had been an innocent bystander unrelated to Jason's situation, but he cut me off and admitted to the cops that he was a police officer too--albeit off-duty at the time. He said that he and I--along with some local girls had been partying at my place the night before. :whatever: The girls had left earlier in the evening, and he had crashed at my place overnight because he didn't want to drive. This was lying but I understood why he did it. I guess. The cops seemed to buy it and they will be working with Jason to find out who did this.

Obviously insurance will handle my car's damage and I am supposed to pick it up today from the paint place. But still...:cmad:

As of now, we still don't know who did this. The video cameras show a tall man that definitely fits David's build, but the angle of the camera doesn't clearly and definitively show David's face. It was too dark in that area. Also, considering how well-off David is financially, the person was dressed like a bum. A disguise perhaps? It doesn't fit the "Ambercrombie" description that the doorman gave. Also, the frequency of David's text messages has tapered off a bit since we found the cars. But he did text me saying he had "unfinished business to tend to." My instincts tell me that it was definitely David. For example, he's the only man who has a key to my car and would have the ability to disarm the alarm. As far as I'm concerned, it all adds up--but I admit that it's not 100% conclusive.

And he's still here, somewhere in this city.

Have any of you had stalking ex-bf or gfs? If so, how did you deal with your situation?
 
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This is way too long, I want the cliff notes version.
 
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