Has Fox hit a dead end with their Marvel Properties?

[T"Challa]

Inhumans is not a priority for Marvel right now.

They need X-Men. The public is already scared of the superheroes as evidenced by ****ing the entire premise of Civil War.... They can just play that angle up even more when the X-Men get introduced

No they don't. Marvel studios has made over 10 billion dollars in box office sales alone and we havent even gotten to the Infinity war movies yet. Freaking Ant man is going to make more money domestically and world wide than X-Men Apocalypse. Just think about that for a second. Marvel will be just fine, they have a myriad of characters they can work with

 

[daddydivine]

Inhumans is not a priority for Marvel right now.

They need X-Men. The public is already scared of the superheroes as evidenced by ****ing the entire premise of Civil War.... They can just play that angle up even more when the X-Men get introduced

First of all... Marvel doesn't need a damn thing. Fox, DC, and Sony all wish they were dominating the theaters like Marvel Studios when it comes to superhero fare.

Second. I'm with most people who believe Fox having the X-men rights is the best thing to happen to Marvel Studios. I don't see GOTG, Antman, or Black Panther happening if they were trying to expand the X-men universe.

I mean think about what happened when they got partial rights back for Spidey. They moved Black Panther back like he was chopped liver to make room for a hero we've seen countless times already. So I'd rather them keep the rights to F4 and X-men so Marvel Studios can keep coming up with interesting ways to introduce those B and C-list heroes... and black heroes. Cause lets be honest, hollywood considers all black superheros d-list.

 

[Rorschach2012]

First of all... Marvel doesn't need a damn thing. Fox, DC, and Sony all wish they were dominating the theaters like Marvel Studios when it comes to superhero fare.

Second. I'm with most people who believe Fox having the X-men rights is the best thing to happen to Marvel Studios. I don't see GOTG, Antman, or Black Panther happening if they were trying to expand the X-men universe.

I mean think about what happened when they got partial rights back for Spidey. They moved Black Panther back like he was chopped liver to make room for a hero we've seen countless times already. So I'd rather them keep the rights to F4 and X-men so Marvel Studios can keep coming up with interesting ways to introduce those B and C-list heroes... and black heroes. Cause lets be honest, hollywood considers all black superheros d-list.

You're wrong. They should just do a deal with Marvel where Marvel creatively controls the property while Fox still makes the movies

Lol it would change nothing, Fox and Marvel would make just as many movies smh, there is no negative here hahaha. It'd just be X-Men in the MCU

No downside . i really don't understand how you could not want Wolverine in the MCU. Seriously wtf

 

[PretenderNX01]

Fox has hit a dead end with what they can do with Xavier, Mags, etc but they've barely scratched the surface of what they could do with the various X-properties. 16 years and Storm has had only a handful of lines. People were psyched for Psylocke but they didn't do much with her. There's characters there to do more with, they just need to

The average moviegoer doesn't care about whether timelines lineup 100% that's just a fanboy thing.

 

[Alex Murphy]

I am more interested in the Inhumans now anyway. Why? Because it ventures into more cosmic themes involving advanced alien civilizations with the Kree and Skrulls. Marvel does have the rights to them? Right? More history that links them to the earth and how the earth will be caught in the middle of all this chaos. Introduction of the hidden royal family. Possible involvement with GOTG. Widespread fears from humans after the entire Thanos saga closes and the aftermath of all that. This will be more stories to exploit after IW.

A conflict that may pitt them against earth due to their Kree links. This feels like some fresh ideas to carry the franchise amongst other things. I just really feel like Xmen has gotten stale. Im not saying there aren't things they could do but a lot of it feels like retreading ground. And I have never cared much for Xmen going cosmic. That works much better with Inhumans being possibly set up.

Marvel own the Kree but they co-own the Skrulls with Fox.

 

[Sithborg]

Fox has hit a dead end with what they can do with Xavier, Mags, etc but they've barely scratched the surface of what they could do with the various X-properties. 16 years and Storm has had only a handful of lines. People were psyched for Psylocke but they didn't do much with her. There's characters there to do more with, they just need to

The average moviegoer doesn't care about whether timelines lineup 100% that's just a fanboy thing.

They have barely scratched the surface of McAvoy in the mentor role. The reason I am excited about New Mutants is because I'm pretty sure it will have more of the actual and training which we barely got in First Class and even less in Apocalypse.

 

[Raiden]

Marvel own the Kree but they co-own the Skrulls with Fox.

Skrull's rights are with FF, so if Marvel get the First Family back they can probably do the Secret Invasion storyline.

 

[Angryfantasyfan]

Skrulls are shared:

Gunn explained, “Marvel only partially owns Skrulls, and also for the record, we don’t own the Badoon either. So people were asking why we have the Sakaarans in the film, we don’t own the Badoon.”

http://www.*****************.com/scifi/skrulls-badoon-part-marvel-cinematic-universe.html

 

[Tony Stark]

They will get the FF back, but Fox may sit on it until the rights expire. Despite anything Kinberg says, no one at Fox is going to greenlight a FF film.

 

[pr0xyt0xin]

Inhumans is not a priority for Marvel right now.

They need X-Men. The public is already scared of the superheroes as evidenced by ****ing the entire premise of Civil War.... They can just play that angle up even more when the X-Men get introduced

At this point, it would be such a struggle to introduce mutants. Like, in all honesty it would make no sense. And even if you alter Magneto's origin (not a holocaust survivor) and the like, it doesn't change the fact that mutants cant just appear overnight.

Like, 30/40/50 year old magneto just comes out of hiding one day and says "I think it's time i start fighting."

 

[BarryAllen]

You're wrong. They should just do a deal with Marvel where Marvel creatively controls the property while Fox still makes the movies

Lol it would change nothing, Fox and Marvel would make just as many movies smh, there is no negative here hahaha. It'd just be X-Men in the MCU

No downside . i really don't understand how you could not want Wolverine in the MCU. Seriously wtf

There's literally no financial incentive there. Spidey is different because Disney owns full merchandising rights to Spidey and he outsells Superman, Batman and the Avengers combined, and it's not even close.

And it's not like we need Wolverine when we have characters like Black Panther in the MCU.

 

[Orba]

Skrulls are shared:



http://www.*****************.com/scifi/skrulls-badoon-part-marvel-cinematic-universe.html

However the Super Skrulls are held by Fox alone.

 

[KangConquers]

Marvel is great now, but in about two phases, Fox's properties would be a huge shot in the arm, not just for the characters themselves, but for the villains.

The Marvel Cinematic Universe will have introduced 11 unique properties by the end of phase 3. With television cutting into the character load, already having taken 6 potential properties for Netflix, and two for ABC, the future prospects of the MCU isn't as great as one might think. You can't tell me Marvel has 18 strong ip's left in que. Marvel's going to be in dire need of new properties in about 10 years.

Marvel's flagship franchise, The Avengers, is also starting to run out of compelling villains. Kang the Conqueror is an obvious top priority to get back from Fox, but Doctor Doom, Magneto, Galactus, Skrulls, Annihilus and other Fox holdings could offer fresh top villainy to the franchise, post Thanos. In addition, the option to have the Fantastic 4, Avengers and X-Men all interact would be a new ripple in the franchise, at a time where we're running out of compelling new benchmarks to hit.

 

[Mjölnir]

You're wrong. They should just do a deal with Marvel where Marvel creatively controls the property while Fox still makes the movies

Lol it would change nothing, Fox and Marvel would make just as many movies smh, there is no negative here hahaha. It'd just be X-Men in the MCU

No downside . i really don't understand how you could not want Wolverine in the MCU. Seriously wtf

It's pretty funny that you're stating your opinion as a fact despite that the Spider-Man scenario has been the exact opposite. Homecoming delayed a few movies, including Inhumans that was pushed off until after Infinity War (and that was before Feige got control and could get rid of it altogether), so clearly this collaboration does affect the number of movies we get with characters that Marvel has the rights to.

We're not getting more movies in phase 3 after the inclusion of Spider-Man, so why would we if the X-Men were introduced? Facts speak louder than wishful thinking.

 

[Raiden]

Marvel is great now, but in about two phases, Fox's properties would be a huge shot in the arm, not just for the characters themselves, but for the villains.

The Marvel Cinematic Universe will have introduced 11 unique properties by the end of phase 3. With television cutting into the character load, already having taken 6 potential properties for Netflix, and two for ABC, the future prospects of the MCU isn't as great as one might think. You can't tell me Marvel has 18 strong ip's left in que. Marvel's going to be in dire need of new properties in about 10 years.

Marvel's flagship franchise, The Avengers, is also starting to run out of compelling villains. Kang the Conqueror is an obvious top priority to get back from Fox, but Doctor Doom, Magneto, Galactus, Skrulls, Annihilus and other Fox holdings could offer fresh top villainy to the franchise, post Thanos. In addition, the option to have the Fantastic 4, Avengers and X-Men all interact would be a new ripple in the franchise, at a time where we're running out of compelling new benchmarks to hit.

For villains, I think Marvel should have tried to build up toward a Masters of Evil line up from the beginning, so they can have an Avengers movie where both teams collide. Just killing villains as soon as they appear was the wrong strategy especially when they were planning a long storytelling format. Letting Zemo live is a good start, as he can potentially become the leader of Thunderbolts, and the introduction of The Raft means that they can start to put the captured villains there. Getting Dr. Doom and Kang the Conqueror would be great, but both are with the FF property and Marvel hasn't gotten it back yet.

 

[SuperT]

Marvel is great now, but in about two phases, Fox's properties would be a huge shot in the arm, not just for the characters themselves, but for the villains.

The Marvel Cinematic Universe will have introduced 11 unique properties by the end of phase 3. With television cutting into the character load, already having taken 6 potential properties for Netflix, and two for ABC, the future prospects of the MCU isn't as great as one might think. You can't tell me Marvel has 18 strong ip's left in que. Marvel's going to be in dire need of new properties in about 10 years.

Marvel's flagship franchise, The Avengers, is also starting to run out of compelling villains. Kang the Conqueror is an obvious top priority to get back from Fox, but Doctor Doom, Magneto, Galactus, Skrulls, Annihilus and other Fox holdings could offer fresh top villainy to the franchise, post Thanos. In addition, the option to have the Fantastic 4, Avengers and X-Men all interact would be a new ripple in the franchise, at a time where we're running out of compelling new benchmarks to hit.

Marvel only has themselves to blame for their villain situation. If they took the time to build the villains they have up like they did with Loki, they wouldn't be where they are now. They need to stop with these one dimensional villains.

 

[Abudefduf]

Some of these characters aren't as well suited for big screen depictions.

Definitely. But some of them are, and I think they deserve their chance on the big screen. With the X-Men back at Marvel that just wouldn't happen.

Marvel is great now, but in about two phases, Fox's properties would be a huge shot in the arm, not just for the characters themselves, but for the villains.

Two more phases? Is the MCU even gonna last that long.
But I do agree that the F4 belong to Marvel. Doctor Doom, the Skrulls, Galactus & his heralds, there's a lot of stuff the MCU could use.

 

[Zarex]

Two more phases? Is the MCU even gonna last that long.

I don't see why not. There's always going to be superhero films and Marvel has absorbed Sony's output while increasing the MCU's already commanding lead over both WB and FOX. An FF sequel or threeboot at FOX is financially infeasible, so those characters are definitely coming back. And they still have Inhumans, Black Widow, Young Avengers, Runaways, Kamala Khan, Miles Morales, Nova, and Namor sitting in the queue.

In the worst case scenario Marvel Studios retrenches to one movie a year, but I don't see that happening within the next decade.

 

[BoredGuy]

Why the hell does Fox own Kang??
Hasn't he always been pretty much exclusively an Avengers Villain?

The thing is, I agree that X-Men has the best characters in the Marvel U, but as others have said, their inclusion in the MCU would equal a lot fewer risky properties coming out.

It would most likely just be: solos for the big three -> Spider-Man -> X-Men -> FF -> Avengers -> repeat

 

[CaptainWagner]

Yeah, the F4 properties would be a big boost villain-wise, mainly. But like BoredGuy said, you run the risk of properties like Ant-Man never seeing the light of day. The X-Men are capable of holding their own separate shared universe, Fox just needs to get all their ducks in a row and a solid vision moving forward.

 

[Sithborg]

Yeah, that is a weird one. My only guess is that it got tied up with Nathaniel Richards in the FF rights. How they sold these rights is really weird.

 

[Raiden]

Marvel only has themselves to blame for their villain situation. If they took the time to build the villains they have up like they did with Loki, they wouldn't be where they are now. They need to stop with these one dimensional villains.

While I agree with you, I don't think X-Men did it much better. Magneto is the only villain that can be qualified as good in the series, and all other villains (Stryker, Black King, and Apocalypse) are all pretty much one-dimensional characters. I think the Netflix villains are the best, with Wilson Fisk/Kingpin and Killgrave being two awesome foes that felt like real people, albeit evil ones. I also think Pierce from TWS benefited greatly from Robert Redford's performance so I count him as one of the best MCU villains. In the upcoming movies, I hope Mads Mikkelsen's unknown villain, Cate Blanchette's Hera, and Josh Brolin's Thanos will all be more than just standard bad guys.

 

[BoredGuy]

Marvel doesn't do any worse on their villains than any other studio

they just do everything else so very right, that it's the only thing left to nitpick about, that and soundtracks

 

[First Avenger]

Marvel doesn't do any worse on their villains than any other studio

they just do everything else so very right, that it's the only thing left to nitpick about, that and soundtracks

This.

 

[BarryAllen]

Marvel's flagship franchise, The Avengers, is also starting to run out of compelling villains. Kang the Conqueror is an obvious top priority to get back from Fox, but Doctor Doom, Magneto, Galactus, Skrulls, Annihilus and other Fox holdings could offer fresh top villainy to the franchise, post Thanos. In addition, the option to have the Fantastic 4, Avengers and X-Men all interact would be a new ripple in the franchise, at a time where we're running out of compelling new benchmarks to hit.

I'm in the camp for having the FF4 rights revert back to Marvel Studios, but I don't see them as 100% essential. For every void one of those characters leave, Marvel has other characters that can fill it. Don't have Doctor Doom? Use Count Nefaria. Don't have Galactus? Use Celestials.

Don't get me wrong though, I'd love to see the FF4 back with Marvel because they'd really fit in well with the MCU.

The Marvel Cinematic Universe will have introduced 11 unique properties by the end of phase 3. With television cutting into the character load, already having taken 6 potential properties for Netflix, and two for ABC, the future prospects of the MCU isn't as great as one might think. You can't tell me Marvel has 18 strong ip's left in que. Marvel's going to be in dire need of new properties in about 10 years.

A legitimate concern, but I don't think it's that worrisome. Marvel has so many lesser known characters they own, and every change the MCU makes in adapting the characters to the big screen opens up a bunch of new storytelling paths. And most of what we've seen in the MCU has only scratched the surface in terms of characters and plots.