Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - Part 1

[MrsKent26]

You really should. He definitely comes off better there.

I've read some descriptions and seen some videos. It's just unfortunate that stuff that adds to Clark was cut.

 

[KillerWolf]

I've read some descriptions and seen some videos. It's just unfortunate that stuff that adds to Clark was cut.

Unfortunate is putting it mildly, I'd say. Even his sacrifice in the end affected me much more in the Ultimate Cut than the theatrical one.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Unfortunate is putting it mildly, I'd say. Even his sacrifice in the end affected me much more in the Ultimate Cut than the theatrical one.

Yeah, it was different in a good way. When Superman killed Doomsday I was all "F*** Yeah!! You did it Supes!" internally followed by some melancholy whereas in the TC it was just depressing and unsatisfying.

 

[Monochron]

Eh, I didn't mind it as much as many people seem to. I get the reasoning that it appears a bit too violent, but I can also understand why they did this, as it is more dynamic than him simply grabbing the gun. And I don't think the guy has to be dead or even injured, as I always assumed that Supes is the only one who made contact with the wall, like when he flies with Batman through that building in the title fight.

Edit: Actually, Batman did make a bit of a contact (though he had mech-suit so he made through it unscathed) and I've been carefully watching this gif now and am pretty sure that guy never made contact with the wall. It looks like Supes broke the wall with his head and fists, simply picking the guy up and carrying him for the ride.

The walls don't matter, the whiplash from being moved at such speed is what would kill him.

 

[Jekecy]

The walls don't matter, the whiplash from being moved at such speed is what would kill him.

In that case Superman should never be allowed to save people in mid-air either, as the same mechanics apply.

 

[Monochron]

In that case Superman should never be allowed to save people in mid-air either, as the same mechanics apply.

Yep, they certainly do.

 

[Sub-Zero]

did he ever wear the middle one in the movie(either theatrical or ultimate cut)? there's a bts pic of clark looking at his computer at a table. looks like they cut that out too.

 

[Guts]

did he ever wear the middle one in the movie(either theatrical or ultimate cut)? there's a bts pic of clark looking at his computer at a table. looks like they cut that out too.

He wore it in his first scene with lois. He takes off the jacket before getting in the tub.

 

[Nemeres]

In that case Superman should never be allowed to save people in mid-air either, as the same mechanics apply.

When has he saved anyone tackling them that violently?

 

[idiot09]

When has he saved anyone tackling them that violently?

Well Clark did say he didnt kill anyone in Africa,and I believe him.

 

[Flint Marko]

Well Clark did say he didnt kill anyone in Africa,and I believe him.

He didn't say he didn't kill anyone, he said he didn't kill "those men", specifically referring to the people whom the government is holding him accountable for. I have yet to see the UC, but this is either referring to the villagers who were killed by the terrorists after Superman left a power vacuum, or the men who were gunned down by Lex's goons. Either way, this doesn't refer to the guy who went through numerous walls at (literally) breakneck speed, who is clearly dead.

 

[AnneFan]

Well Clark did say he didnt kill anyone in Africa,and I believe him.

Because he didn't kill anyone. I dig how Lois is locked away in the room, and therefore doesn't know what happened outside. She just has to take Clark's word for it. The extended apartment intro with Lois finding the blood on Clark's shirt adds to her doubt as well. A minor touch but adds a lot to the overall drama.

 

[ohiostate124]

Hmm I'd have to watch again. I thought that was blood on her shirt.

 

[AnneFan]

Hmm I'd have to watch again. I thought that was blood on her shirt.

Actually, you're right. She's unpacking her luggage. But she does give pause to reflect on the incident, while having a drink. It shows she's troubled by it.

 

[Jekecy]

When has he saved anyone tackling them that violently?

Here.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

Either way, this doesn't refer to the guy who went through numerous walls at (literally) breakneck speed, who is clearly dead.

Here.

Tsk tsk. Cherrypickers gonna cherrypick.

Have a little more substantial evidence than your biased first impressions next time.

 

[Dark Raven]

Who would like Henry Cavill to star in a remake of Somewhere in Time?

 

[Boy Scout]

He wore it in his first scene with lois. He takes off the jacket before getting in the tub.

Good. That's a nice jacket.

 

[Flint Marko]

Tsk tsk. Cherrypickers gonna cherrypick.

Have a little more substantial evidence than your biased first impressions next time.

Funny, I didn't that guy go through several stone walls.
This is a Superman that has killed before and outside of one scream, has never expressed any regret about it nor anything that would lead us to believe he wouldn't kill again.

 

[Nemeres]

Here.

I stand corrected. The argument being that even without a follow-up of the surviving warlord, the same situation is similar, I take it.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I stand corrected. The argument being that even without a follow-up of the surviving warlord, the same situation is similar, I take it.

Exactly. At worst Superman knocked the wind out of the General while scaring the piss out of him for pulling a gun on his girl.

The assumption is that Supes' forearms and shoulders made contact with the wall while the General was protected by Superman.

 

[Micromind]

Funny, I didn't that guy go through several stone walls.
This is a Superman that has killed before and outside of one scream, has never expressed any regret about it nor anything that would lead us to believe he wouldn't kill again.

Really ? Is this not enough ? What else he needs to do, turn himself over to the Police ? (As Batsfan1 suggests here ?)

 

[Jekecy]

Funny, I didn't that guy go through several stone walls.
This is a Superman that has killed before and outside of one scream, has never expressed any regret about it nor anything that would lead us to believe he wouldn't kill again.

You're seeing what you want to see. This isn't some stretch of the imagination that Superman's hand was out and the warlord was tucked in behind, like so:

Had Superman been so blasé about outright murder (which we've seen he's clearly not), then ok, it's natural to assume the guy is dead. It's par the course. As it stands, this is creating conversation over literally nothing. There are plenty of things which are controversial about Superman's characterization or presentation, hell I've got plenty bad things to say. But this is just not one of them.

 

[Flint Marko]

Really ? Is this not enough ? What else he needs to do, turn himself over to the Police ? (As Batsfan1 suggests here ?)

How about anything else beyond one momentary scream? How about something that would actually inform us as to how he feels about killing, why he feels that way, and how his actions have effected him going forward? The scene that immediately followed was him and military general exchanging some playful banter as if nothing ever happened.

You're seeing what you want to see.

Funny, that's my exact reaction to people insisting that someone who went through numerous walls at breakneck speed walked away from it.

This isn't some stretch of the imagination that Superman's hand was out and the warlord was tucked in behind, like so:

Had Superman been so blasé about outright murder (which we've seen he's clearly not), then ok, it's natural to assume the guy is dead. It's par the course. As it stands, this is creating conversation over literally nothing. There are plenty of things which are controversial about Superman's characterization or presentation, hell I've got plenty bad things to say. But this is just not one of them.

No, as I've said: we don't have anything beyond one scream to inform us of Superman's stance on murder. We've also seen nothing since that would imply he'd never kill again, we don't know what sort of toll that took on him, and we don't know anything regarding his moral stance on such matters. It's literally up to us to project things like this onto him, but since Snyder and co. have demonstrated that Superman will kill when the time comes, I see no reason to believe he'd have any problem putting down a terrorist who had a gun to Lois' head.

That's a conclusion I have come to by using information presented in the films (along with, you know, watching Superman fly a dude through numerous walls), not by seeing what I want to see.

Maybe in JL we'll finally be able to get into Clark's head and figure out what he believes about such matters. At the moment it's all unexplored and under-developed, there's no real figuring out much of Clark's character beyond occasional lines of dialogue and conjecture.

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

Exactly. At worst Superman knocked the wind out of the General while scaring the piss out of him for pulling a gun on his girl.

The assumption is that Supes' forearms and shoulders made contact with the wall while the General was protected by Superman.

Superman was also moving that fast in the scene he was literally a blur. He could have easily grabbed the general and turned his back flying backwards through the walls taking the impact of them himself.