Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - Part 15

[markjoedelonge]

???? You liked the fact that countless civilians died in MOS! I get that you want stakes but Superman is meant to save people or atleast most of them like he did in JL.

Lmao. When 2 super-powered beings fight, people are bound to die in the collateral damage. Superman tried to prevent the deaths of more people by focusing on Zod. I like that MOS and BVS did not shy from addressing the consequences of such a fight in the real world. As opposed to the Chitauri and Ultron drones who conveniently missed every shot they took at a civilian.

 

[Flint Marko]

MoS did not "address the consequences" in any way, shape, or form. Like the movie all you want, that is categorically incorrect unless you think "addressing the consequences" just means numerous shots of disaster porn. It's my biggest problem with MoS. Thousands of people died, and it never matters to anyone at any point in that movie. At all.

 

[GothamBat]

MOS displayed the consequences of a super-powered fight in a city and BVS addressed the consequences of the destruction that ensued.

 

[Tra-El]

Thousands of people died in MoS. Faora was quoted that every single person Superman would save, they would kill a million more. Givin' that chilling realization, Superman teamed up with Dr. Emil Hamilton, Hardy and the U.S Military to prevent that very thing from happening. If civilians didn't matter to anyone.. at all..then nothing after the fact would have takin' place. Opening up the Phantom Zone and making those sacrifice's goes hand in hand with saving as many people as humanly possible in that juncture by displaying epic accounts of heroism on both sides. Zod happened to be a real deal villain and not some throw-away.

 

[markjoedelonge]

MoS did not "address the consequences" in any way, shape, or form. Like the movie all you want, that is categorically incorrect unless you think "addressing the consequences" just means numerous shots of disaster porn. It's my biggest problem with MoS. Thousands of people died, and it never matters to anyone at any point in that movie. At all.

MOS displayed the consequences of a super-powered fight in a city and BVS addressed the consequences of the destruction that ensued.

Yup. Much like how "Civil War" dealt with the fallout of "Avengers", "Age of Ultron" and "The Winter Soldier".

 

[RomanticPenguin]

 

[Black Narcissus]

Debating the death of faceless movie civilians is where ya'll want to be when Jesus comes home? Goddamn.

 

[Sawyer]

I see this thread is as insufferable as ever.

 

[Black Narcissus]

EVERYTHING about MOS has been said already. For years now. lol

 

[Superchan]

Lmao. When 2 super-powered beings fight, people are bound to die in the collateral damage. Superman tried to prevent the deaths of more people by focusing on Zod. I like that MOS and BVS did not shy from addressing the consequences of such a fight in the real world. As opposed to the Chitauri and Ultron drones who conveniently missed every shot they took at a civilian.

Oh for the love of.......You really want to start yet another MOS debate? Seriously?
Please read my post more carefully before you go into one of your trigger happy fanboy moments, I was surprised to read that anyone would enjoy seeing countless civilian deaths in a superman movie and the guy answered with a yes and that's all. Moving on now.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

Its the fault of certain people who I am getting so frustrated with I'm about to name drop! Not just the standard DCEU haters but those who won't stop engaging with them.

 

[markjoedelonge]

Jeez okay. I apologise. Wtf.

 

[Reel-Man]

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Reposting this here as well as my comment from the lounge.

Oh ****! So the s-shirt rip was Zack!

 

[_Superman_]

I like that they showed how the black suit would've looked on him but personally I am glad they didn't use it and only gave it to us as an easter egg. However I am still upset and sadden that they keep trying to promote this as Zack Snyder's movie when that clearly isn't the case. Now if they release the Snyder version of this movie then I would be alright with them promoting as such.

 

[Vaibow]

I wish they had Clark with longer hair, facial hair too, when taken from the coffin - it shows he is still alive, lends itself tot he funeral scene with floating dirt - plus relates well to the comic arc.


Then, the reshoots wouldn't have been half as bad.

 

[_Superman_]

I wish they had Clark with longer hair, facial hair too, when taken from the coffin - it shows he is still alive, lends itself tot he funeral scene with floating dirt - plus relates well to the comic arc.


Then, the reshoots wouldn't have been half as bad.

Agreed. In the comics it was always hinted at that he really didn't die but was in a deep coma so his body could heal. I always felt that is how it should've been shown in the movie. Although I am still upset that they never truly gave us how Superman's death effected the world. Snyder version was supposed to show that however this version didn't and I'm sad they didn't.

 

[Jumpman]

Reposting this here as well as my comment from the lounge.

Oh ****! So the s-shirt rip was Zack!

Exactly...which begs the goddamn question...even with this film going from 2 films to 1, Snyder was going to end the film with classic Superman. If that’s the case, why did Cavill have to reshoot most of his stuff?

 

[_Superman_]

Exactly...which begs the goddamn question...even with this film going from 2 films to 1, Snyder was going to end the film with classic Superman. If that’s the case, why did Cavill have to reshoot most of his stuff?

Because he didn't smile and the tone was more serious than what the WB wanted. So they had to reshoot to fit the new tone.

 

[Jumpman]

Because he didn't smile and the tone was more serious than what the WB wanted. So they had to reshoot to fit the new tone.

And we see where that got them....

 

[Jekecy]

And we see where that got them....

And we saw where the other directive got them too. WB effed up both ways. And while they shoulder the blame for the latest mishap, we shouldn't forget why they were forced to correct all of this so dramatically.

 

[_Superman_]

And we saw where the other directive got them too. WB effed up both ways. And while they shoulder the blame for the latest mishap, we shouldn't forget why they were forced to correct all of this so dramatically.

They weren't forced to do anything. They could've put out Snyder's movie and then changed direction for "phase 2". As you saw Snyder intended for JL to end on a hopeful note. Once they let Snyder film and finish his movie they should've just let that movie come out and depending on the reaction go from there. They didn't have to do what they did.

 

[Jumpman]

They weren't forced to do anything. They could've put out Snyder's movie and then changed direction for "phase 2". As you saw Snyder intended for JL to end on a hopeful note. Once they let Snyder film and finish his movie they should've just let that movie come out and depending on the reaction go from there. They didn't have to do what they did.

Bingo!

 

[Reel-Man]

Snyder on the right.

 

[Jekecy]

They weren't forced to do anything. They could've put out Snyder's movie and then changed direction for "phase 2". As you saw Snyder intended for JL to end on a hopeful note. Once they let Snyder film and finish his movie they should've just let that movie come out and depending on the reaction go from there. They didn't have to do what they did.

Of course they did. They were on a downward spiral, the stupidest move they could have made was doubling down on the vision which led to the decline and “hope” audiences will just suck it up for one more go-around.

It’s easy as fanboys to just demand supply of which we bear no consequences. If any of us were studio heads and had literally hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, plus our own job on the line…we wouldn’t have done it any differently.

They threw a Hail Mary because that was their only move to try and salvage the damage already done. It failed miserably, but they had no easier path to success either.

 

[_Superman_]

Of course they did. They were on a downward spiral, the stupidest move they could have made was doubling down on the vision which led to the decline and “hope” audiences will just suck it up for one more go-around.

It’s easy as fanboys to just demand supply of which we bear no consequences. If any of us were studio heads and had literally hundreds of millions of dollars at stake, plus our own job on the line…we wouldn’t have done it any differently.

They threw a Hail Mary because that was their only move to try and salvage the damage already done. It failed miserably, but they had no easier path to success either.

No the time to change director and direction was when they were still in pre production and doing a page one rewrite. The moment they had Snyder step behind the camera again they should've just put out his movie and bite the bullet and change direction afterwards. That's why I put the full blame on them because they had plenty of time to take Snyder off the picture and get someone new in. Once they didn't and let him shoot and finish his movie. It was on them because his movie would've have gotten no worse of a reaction then what they put out.