Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[Da-Scribe]

I don't see why any actor would drop one franchise for another in today's climate where you can't be bankable on your name alone.. Just do both. RDJ got Iron Man and Sherlock. Pratt got GotG and JW. Momoa got Aquaman and that TV show for Apple coming. I mean the Rock is the gahdamn Rock.

 

[BH/HHH]

Guys guys guys get a hold of yourselves. Henry aint goin nowhere. If we were in a situation where the DCU Snyder created were being rebooted, yeah, i'd agree with you, but they are keeping the world and continuity Snyder established. Gal is still Wonder Woman, Jason is about star in Aquaman and it looks GOOD. Ezra's about to be filming Flash. Yeah, Ben's on his way out but Ben was ALWAYS an outlier amongst this DCEU cast. WB and Snyder needed to persuade him to do this to begin with and the man was not in this for the long haul. He doesnt need this. Henry WANTS to be Superman. Superman is the reason hes a household name now and probably how he got hired for MI6.

Henry will be Superman people, relax. The only question is if WB are prioritizing a Superman film right now in the wake of JL.

As much as I want to be optimistic these contract negotiations have not gone well thus far. He could just as easily walk away now or WB could.

 

[Black Narcissus]

This gif represent WB, Cavill, his agent. Hopefully with a nice ending. lol

 

[kguillou]

As much as I want to be optimistic these contract negotiations have not gone well thus far. He could just as easily walk away now or WB could.

I dont believe any of these so called reports about the negotiations. Henry is not gonna flip WB the finger and turn down playing SUPERMAN.

 

[BH/HHH]

I dont believe any of these so called reports about the negotiations. Henry is not gonna flip WB the finger and turn down playing SUPERMAN.

They aren’t just making this stuff up out of thin air. It’s clear the talks are at a standstill.

 

[Jekecy]

I dont believe any of these so called reports about the negotiations. Henry is not gonna flip WB the finger and turn down playing SUPERMAN.

It’s not about turning it down, but an assurance the character can get to the place where he needs it to be. Cavill’s admitted to reading all the blogs and forums, so he knows the reception on the films and his performance. In turn, he knows people like him FOR the role, just not necessarily IN the role as has been depicted for three films now.

 

[Double B]

I don't see why any actor would drop one franchise for another in today's climate where you can't be bankable on your name alone.. Just do both. RDJ got Iron Man and Sherlock. Pratt got GotG and JW. Momoa got Aquaman and that TV show for Apple coming. I mean the Rock is the gahdamn Rock.

Oh, I don't believe an actor would turn down the chance of doing multiple franchises at all.

But does it affect studios being willing to hire you when you're already locked into a multi-film contract? Absolutely.

Sherlock's been MIA for years now, Pratt admittedly does well to juggle his commitments, Momoa's leading man credentials have yet to be proven plus film > TV, and any studio would move heaven and earth to accommodate the Rock because he's one of the most bankable stars on the planet. The Rock is bigger than any role he plays and studios know it.

This is different. Superman and Bond are bigger than the actors playing them and studios won't be as accommodating. If you have two separate studios hiring the same actor for separate multi-film pictures, that is difficult to juggle.

Months of prep, publicity rounds, extensive shooting schedules, reshooting schedules. It's a nightmare to manage. WB couldn't even negotiate Henry shaving a mustache, good luck getting Eon to be any more pliable.

And like I said, if Henry's management think for a millisecond that Bond is a possibility, they'll make damn sure a new contract with WB will be worth passing up that opportunity. Because if he commits to Superman again, Bond ain't happening.

 

[Da-Scribe]

Oh, I don't believe an actor would turn down the chance of doing multiple franchises at all.

But does it affect studios being willing to hire you when you're already locked into a multi-film contract? Absolutely.

Sherlock's been MIA for years now, Pratt admittedly does well to juggle his commitments, Momoa's leading man credentials have yet to be proven plus film > TV, and any studio would move heaven and earth to accommodate the Rock because he's one of the most bankable stars on the planet. The Rock is bigger than any role he plays and studios know it.

This is different. Superman and Bond are bigger than the actors playing them and studios won't be as accommodating. If you have two separate studios hiring the same actor for separate multi-film pictures, that is difficult to juggle.

Months of prep, publicity rounds, extensive shooting schedules, reshooting schedules. It's a nightmare to manage. WB couldn't even negotiate Henry shaving a mustache, good luck getting Eon to be any more pliable.

And like I said, if Henry's management think for a millisecond that Bond is a possibility, they'll make damn sure a new contract with WB will be worth passing up that opportunity. Because if commits to Superman again. Bond ain't happening.

Ah I see what you're saying. Makes sense.

 

[STARMAN]

This could drag on. If WB played tough with Jenkins then they'll play tough with Henry.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Gal's new deal got done pretty quick tho. They do seem to have called his agent's bluff. Supergirl announcement, and the idea thrown of that Superman cameo at the end of Shazam, it being re-written for WW. More pressure. lol

 

[STARMAN]

I'd be a terrible manager. I'd fold and have Henry sign for minimum wage.

 

[Patchwork Man]

i'd be a terrible manager. I'd fold and have henry sign for minimum wage.

"Will Work 4 Trunks"

 

[Black Narcissus]

 

[MbJ]

Guys guys guys get a hold of yourselves. Henry aint goin nowhere. If we were in a situation where the DCU Snyder created were being rebooted, yeah, i'd agree with you, but they are keeping the world and continuity Snyder established. Gal is still Wonder Woman, Jason is about star in Aquaman and it looks GOOD. Ezra's about to be filming Flash. Yeah, Ben's on his way out but Ben was ALWAYS an outlier amongst this DCEU cast.

I'm optimistic that a deal will be reached, but I wouldn't say that him having been in prior films is a guarantee they want him back. Wonder Woman is the most popular character of the DCEU right now and it's the role that made Gal a star, so she's obviously not going anywhere. As others have mentioned, Jason Momoa's movie career as a leading man hasn't really worked out (the Conan the Barbarian reboot absolutely tanked) even though he's gotten more work on the TV front, so he's probably grateful to have his own big franchise picture right now. Ezra also seems like he's extremely enthusiastic about the role and relishes being in a project like this (look how much he loves interacting with the fans at conventions). It seems like they all want to be part of this franchise, but with the exception of Gal Gadot and Margot Robbie, there realistically isn't any reason any of them couldn't be replaced.

So if Henry is asking for more money and control and WB doesn't feel like giving it, the unfortunate reality here is that he could be replaced too. One of Mario's previous articles mentioned Andrew Garfield, and I feel like that's a good comparison for the precarious situation Henry and WB are in right now; Andrew had a very strong and passionate fanbase despite the Amazing Spider-Man 2 getting panned by critics, but when the film itself underperformed and threw Sony's plans into disarray, the studio was able to replace him with a new actor who people were immediately able to accept just as well. In fact, possibly more so, given that Tom Holland's first Spider-Man movie significantly outgrossed both of Andrew Garfield's, and let's not even mention how people reacted to "Mr. Stark, I don't feel good..."

So like I said, I'm hopeful Henry and WB come to an agreement and I still think it's likely. Like Da-Scribe mentioned, starpower is really no longer a thing in Hollywood so it's not like Henry is guaranteed a huge gig anywhere just because people liked him in Fallout, and of course he does have an obvious passion for Superman.

But if things get tough and neither side budges? I could absolutely see WB replacing him and not losing any sleep over it.

 

[heatvision38]

Guys guys guys get a hold of yourselves. Henry aint goin nowhere. If we were in a situation where the DCU Snyder created were being rebooted, yeah, i'd agree with you, but they are keeping the world and continuity Snyder established. Gal is still Wonder Woman, Jason is about star in Aquaman and it looks GOOD. Ezra's about to be filming Flash. Yeah, Ben's on his way out but Ben was ALWAYS an outlier amongst this DCEU cast. WB and Snyder needed to persuade him to do this to begin with and the man was not in this for the long haul. He doesnt need this. Henry WANTS to be Superman. Superman is the reason hes a household name now and probably how he got hired for MI6.

Henry will be Superman people, relax. The only question is if WB are prioritizing a Superman film right now in the wake of JL.

Henry's dog is named Kal. His football team is the Kansas City Chiefs. This guy loves Superman.

 

[Jekecy]

Henry's dog is named Kal. His football team is the Kansas City Chiefs. This guy loves Superman.

Andrew loved Spidey. Since he was a kid. And there's proof of it.

 

[heatvision38]

Andrew loved Spidey. Since he was a kid. And there's proof of it.

The difference is, Andrew had no choice in the reboot. I am talking about Cavill signing the contract. Stay with me here.

 

[Legendver2]

So if Henry is asking for more money and control and WB doesn't feel like giving it, the unfortunate reality here is that he could be replaced too. One of Mario's previous articles mentioned Andrew Garfield, and I feel like that's a good comparison for the precarious situation Henry and WB are in right now; Andrew had a very strong and passionate fanbase despite the Amazing Spider-Man 2 getting panned by critics, but when the film itself underperformed and threw Sony's plans into disarray, the studio was able to replace him with a new actor who people were immediately able to accept just as well. In fact, possibly more so, given that Tom Holland's first Spider-Man movie significantly outgrossed both of Andrew Garfield's, and let's not even mention how people reacted to "Mr. Stark, I don't feel good..."

So like I said, I'm hopeful Henry and WB come to an agreement and I still think it's likely. Like Da-Scribe mentioned, starpower is really no longer a thing in Hollywood so it's not like Henry is guaranteed a huge gig anywhere just because people liked him in Fallout, and of course he does have an obvious passion for Superman.

But if things get tough and neither side budges? I could absolutely see WB replacing him and not losing any sleep over it.

The thing with Garfield is though, Sony pretty much killed that entire franchise/universe over it. That's not really the case with WB. They're pushing through, albeit with from what we see now at the moment as positive changes. Seeing Holland be an entirely new Spider-Man in an entirely new universe interacting with an all new cast is going to be less jarring than seeing a new actor as the same Superman in the same universe interacting with the same cast from the last few films.

 

[MbJ]

The thing with Garfield is though, Sony pretty much killed that entire franchise/universe over it. That's not really the case with WB. They're pushing through, albeit with from what we see now at the moment as positive changes. Seeing Holland be an entirely new Spider-Man in an entirely new universe interacting with an all new cast is going to be less jarring than seeing a new actor as the same Superman in the same universe interacting with the same cast from the last few films.

But that wouldn't even be the first time we've seen such a thing happen in a shared universe or a DC movie franchise.

Like I said, I don't think it will happen, but there's absolutely precedent for it being done and nothing to suggest Henry is irreplaceble at the moment.

 

[Legendver2]

But that wouldn't even be the first time we've seen such a thing happen in a shared universe or a DC movie franchise.

Like I said, I don't think it will happen, but there's absolutely precedent for it being done and nothing to suggest Henry is irreplaceble at the moment.

1. War Machine =/= SUPERMAN
2. Do casuals even count IH as part of current MCU?
3. Bat nipples was a different era back then.

 

[Herolee10]

But that wouldn't even be the first time we've seen such a thing happen in a shared universe or a DC movie franchise.

Like I said, I don't think it will happen, but there's absolutely precedent for it being done and nothing to suggest Henry is irreplaceble at the moment.

To be fair, Marvel was able to recast the Hulk and War Machine before the before or by the time the first Avengers film came about. Plus, Terrence Howard and Ed Norton had only starred in one film prior to being replaced.

Henry has not only appeared in three films but he has also interacted with the other JL members inn the Justice League film. So replacing him after all of that will come off more jarring and noticeable than the other examples.

 

[Jekecy]

Henry has not only appeared in three films but he has also interacted with the other JL members inn the Justice League film. So replacing him after all of that will come off more jarring and noticeable than the other examples.

I don't foresee any crossovers for a long while. By the time it does (say 4-5 years), the "new" established canon will be enough of a clear departure from the first phase that recasts would be easier to adapt to.

As much as Cavill is liked, that character isn't inherently tied to him. And there wasn't enough of an impact made for a recast to be a conundrum. In this specific role, Henry barely has any more clout than Routh did post-SR.

 

[Tra-El]

I still think he's going to sign but my confidence varies depending on the day.

This is my story as well. Days vary for me. There's just so much that we don't know. Anything can happen.

 

[MbJ]

1. War Machine =/= SUPERMAN

Right now, Superman's popularity as an icon or symbol isn't relevant to the discussion. Superman the character is popular, but the specific DCEU version? Far less attachment right now. Hence the War Machine comparison. If the studio doesn't wanna give Henry a big pay boost, there's precedent.

2. Do casuals even count IH as part of current MCU?

Don't know why they wouldn't.

3. Bat nipples was a different era back then.

Not really. The only difference is it wasn't in a shared universe with other superhero movies. If you don't want to use superheroes or are using a more recent example:

 

[heatvision38]

But that wouldn't even be the first time we've seen such a thing happen in a shared universe or a DC movie franchise.

Spoiler

Like I said, I don't think it will happen, but there's absolutely precedent for it being done and nothing to suggest Henry is irreplaceble at the moment.

All fair examples. I will say Rhodey/War Machine was a secondary character, and they did it after the first movie, early on in the MCU. Bruce Banner is a better example, but still very early on in the MCU. The MCU was still in its infancy, and to be honest, people are more interested in the Hulk than they are Bruce. Also, Banner hadn't interacted with other characters yet. And we can see that the Batman movies continued to go downhill, so not great examples.

Cavill has been a key part of the DCEU. He has been in 3 of the key movies so far. Shazam! is referencing Superman in his movie. To recast Superman, at this point in the DCEU, given how big a role he has played in it, given all the other characters Cavill's Superman has interacted with to this point who themselves have franchises going forward, it would be strange at best. Hopefully it's not necessary.