Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[GreenKToo]

I don't foresee any crossovers for a long while. By the time it does (say 4-5 years), the "new" established canon will be enough of a clear departure from the first phase that recasts would be easier to adapt to.

As much as Cavill is liked, that character isn't inherently tied to him. And there wasn't enough of an impact made for a recast to be a conundrum. In this specific role, Henry barely has any more clout than Routh did post-SR.

This. I was around for the Routh fiasco. He loved being superman, and if memory serves, he even signed a multiple picture deal.
He wasn't the problem, it was the direction and WB.
If they can replace him, they can cavill.

That said, if they do replace him, I will have zero interest in a new rebooted superman film, Been there done that.
Yeah, I know, I should be a fan of superman first, but you have to say enough is enough at some point.

WB needs to look in the mirror if they want to place blame as to why they can't get a superman, a superman and batman film, and JL to a billion.

Stop trying to reinvent the wheel, this one will roll just fine if you would just let it.

 

[MbJ]

A choice bit from the article Black linked to.

Here’s why:

Walter Hamada and the rest of DC Entertainment’s sights are set firmly on the future. They want these next films to be indicative of where they’re going and what audiences should expect from future DCU movies. With that in mind, they need to make sure everyone they shine a spotlight on is actually sticking around for the long haul.

Simply put, they can’t risk making a Superman sequel and then having Henry Cavill say “Ok, I’m going to go be James Bond now unless you want to pay me a billion dollars. Bye!” They need to know that they’ve got Henry locked in before they continue to establish him in the public eye as their Superman. That’s also why the Shazam cameo is up in the air (and could totally be rewritten to feature Gal Gadot’s Wonder Woman instead- an inspired suggestion I heard from Mark Hughes).

That's why I can see where WB is coming from on this. And I could totally see the cameo being Wonder Woman if the new Henry deal doesn't come to fruition.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

I love Cavill and want him to stick around however, I'm not gonna pretend I don't want a Superman who actually is like 6'3/6'4 either. I know it's nitpicky but it's a thing I can't get over. It wouldn't bother me so much with Cavill if they didn't constantly cast people opposite him that are taller like Mamoa, Affleck, Gal (in those big WW heels), Fisher, Shannon etc etc. Sometimes they use angle's to make him appear taller but more often than not they don't and it annoys me. From a visual standpoint Superman has always been towering so it's just something that irks me personally.

 

[The Guard]

Isn't it interesting how most new scoops these days consist of just bits and pieces of old information that someone else has already put out there, often contexualized with bits and pieces of old information that someone else has already put out there?

Yup. Interesting.

 

[Greenlite]

I'd be a terrible manager. I'd fold and have Henry sign for minimum wage.

Ya me too, this is a Superman offer that gives you exposure, brand, stable salary, opportunity for other roles, fan base (DC and his own) and sponsorship.

You could do Sup for free for 10 years, yet you could get great incomes from say, Huawei and other products

Without Sup, Cavill will prob end up playing a character on a CW show in 10 years time.

But let's be less hyperbolic, Henry gets a small pay rise from WB, that'd still beat out most TV roles or whatever roles he is gonna get out there, salary wise.

And don't even think about Bond, August Walker was nothing like Bond, maybe a Bond villain, and breakout performances went to Kirby, Ferguson etc, they could ask for B+/A- list money. Henry prob went from B to B+.

The only reason I think is reasonable for the stall is WB not getting McQ who Henry wants. But the fact that we haven't seen any leaks or attacks from Cavill's camp (like Reeves walking out) prob means both sides are still wanting the deal.

To be fair the longer this drags, the less bargaining Caill will have, it will become another Affleck situation then fans get sick of it and start to ask for recast so the next appearance can come sooner rather than later.

 

[Micromind]

If I'm not wrong, Hamada wants a tight control over budgets of DC movies and he will not be enthusiastic about giving away huge paychecks to actors / directors. So, there's the roadblock to Cavill's demands.


Edit: Cavill may get signed on as Bond, but I don't see it happening.

 

[Willi Berg]

I love Cavill and want him to stick around however, I'm not gonna pretend I don't want a Superman who actually is like 6'3/6'4 either. I know it's nitpicky but it's a thing I can't get over. It wouldn't bother me so much with Cavill if they didn't constantly cast people opposite him that are taller like Mamoa, Affleck, Gal (in those big WW heels), Fisher, Shannon etc etc. Sometimes they use angle's to make him appear taller but more often than not they don't and it annoys me. From a visual standpoint Superman has always been towering so it's just something that irks me personally.

Well that should be easy to find.

 

[Greenlite]

They could arrange better backend deals from box office and hook him up with sponsors I suppose

Cavill as Bond is never real, it's just a dream of a wrestler's ex and her client, lol

 

[sf2]

This. I was around for the Routh fiasco. He loved being superman, and if memory serves, he even signed a multiple picture deal.
He wasn't the problem, it was the direction and WB.
If they can replace him, they can cavill.

That said, if they do replace him, I will have zero interest in a new rebooted superman film, Been there done that.
Yeah, I know, I should be a fan of superman first, but you have to say enough is enough at some point.

WB needs to look in the mirror if they want to place blame as to why they can't get a superman, a superman and batman film, and JL to a billion.

Stop trying to reinvent the wheel, this one will roll just fine if you would just let it.

indeed. enough is enough. so sick.
a solo superman movie!!! not just a cameo in Shazam or Supergirl!!!
if I'm Henry, I will walk away too!!!

 

[BH/HHH]

If I'm not wrong, Hamada wants a tight control over budgets of DC movies and he will not be enthusiastic about giving away huge paychecks to actors / directors. So, there's the roadblock to Cavill's demands.

Edit: Cavill may get signed on as Bond, but I don't see it happening.

Yeah and you can’t really blame him when it’s his neck on the line if this new direction fails.

Me either tbh. I think they’re gonna wanna change up again and to me Cavill would be a more traditional Bond.

 

[Superchan]

If I'm not wrong, Hamada wants a tight control over budgets of DC movies and he will not be enthusiastic about giving away huge paychecks to actors / directors. So, there's the roadblock to Cavill's demands.

That could certainly be a factor, they really don't need another director like Snyder who spends anywhere between 220 to 250 only to have meager returns.

Cavill as Bond is never real, it's just a dream of a wrestler's ex and her client, lol

Well dear pa Kent, if reports were to be believed Cavill as Bond was pretty real when Campbell was going to direct Casino Royale. With that being said nothing is guaranteed in hollywood so who knows.


I should remind all of you that just alittle over a year ago WB had another contract battle with non other than Matt Reeves where things reached fever pitch, the negotiations broke down citing "cooler heads need to prevail" but a few weeks later things worked out and Reeves was hired and..........nothing has yet happened with batman! Still the point remains that you should all just relax and watch things unfold, I have a feeling that things will work out within the next few weeks at the latest.

 

[Greenlite]

That could certainly be a factor, they really don't need another director like Snyder who spends anywhere between 220 to 250 only to have meager returns.



Well dear pa Kent, if reports were to be believed Cavill as Bond was pretty real when Campbell was going to direct Casino Royale. With that being said nothing is guaranteed in hollywood so who knows.


I should remind all of you that just alittle over a year ago WB had another contract battle with non other than Matt Reeves where things reached fever pitch, the negotiations broke down citing "cooler heads need to prevail" but a few weeks later things worked out and Reeves was hired and..........nothing has yet happened with batman! Still the point remains that you should all just relax and watch things unfold, I have a feeling that things will work out within the next few weeks at the latest.

Bloggers suggesting MGM is interested in Cavill again after MI6, though after seeing it, IMO it's more wishful thinking than anything. But yes, nothing is guaranteed in hollywood, which is why I think it'd be extremely foolish for Henry to pass Superman for a famous role that won't be available for another 2 years, good faith, promises...they don't mean a thing unless you've got it signed on paper.

If Cavill/WB is a repeat of Reeves' case then all should work out fine, just a very bumpy negotiation process.

Matt finished his Apes series last July and started outlining the movie in Jan this year, turned in part of the draft 2 months ago. They've started hiring art department crews and multiple sources with better than 50/50 records all say it'll film next Spring/Fall (April-ish). and WB has lined up 3 release dates for 2020 - Feb, April and July - based on the proposed filming schedules - it's likely will be BOP for Feb, Flash for April and Batman for July.

 

[BH/HHH]

That could certainly be a factor, they really don't need another director like Snyder who spends anywhere between 220 to 250 only to have meager returns.



Well dear pa Kent, if reports were to be believed Cavill as Bond was pretty real when Campbell was going to direct Casino Royale. With that being said nothing is guaranteed in hollywood so who knows.


I should remind all of you that just alittle over a year ago WB had another contract battle with non other than Matt Reeves where things reached fever pitch, the negotiations broke down citing "cooler heads need to prevail" but a few weeks later things worked out and Reeves was hired and..........nothing has yet happened with batman! Still the point remains that you should all just relax and watch things unfold, I have a feeling that things will work out within the next few weeks at the latest.

Yeah it’s been brought up before about the Reeves deal and I think for a lot of us we’re hoping this one pans out the same.

It does seem like it Cavill signs there are some great plans for Superman.

 

[BH/HHH]

Double post

 

[Greenlite]

Funny how Mark Hughes insists in his report again that there are no plans for Superman at this stage.

Snowy's Nick Fury plan whispers, Shazam's Easter eggs, freaking Supergirl in development since April this year (Daniel R tweeted GOS back then), and even Mark mentioned the negotiation.

It just so frustrating, with Reeves, I saw a lot of "it's a small bump in the road" optimism, with Jenkins, most knew WB will reach a deal regardless - its suicide to push her away for the sequel last year, but with Cavill, the rumors of negotiation started back around April I think, so it's been 3-4 months already

WB could seriously just make a decision now, cut Cavill loose, announce a director and get Supergirl ready for 2020/2021, introduce a new Sup there and pump his own film out by 2022/2023.

Cavill is seriously the one that needs to like, bring McQ in, bump up the combo deal and convince WB their combo can give WB a sure hit in 2020/2021 while the iron is hot, and gives them stability to the franchise, and carry out their cameo plans without complications, and possibly introduce Supergirl in MOS2 as well.

 

[STARMAN]

The Jenkins deal was tough and she had plenty of leverage. Gadot originally had a three picture deal with a studio option for a fourth. She renegotiated for a raise. WB didn't exorcise the option on WW2. They ripped it up and gave her a new deal. Jenkins had no option. Only a single film commitment.


Both of them earned a new deal. Both of them had better leverage.


Then you have the Matt Reeves negotiations that others have mentioned.


Right now you have a standoff and unless there is some deadline I don't think WB needs to blink. In the past, this was all supposedly about MI6. Well, MI6 is out now. I don't think Cavill's leverage is going to increase in the upcoming months. I think they would actually weaken.

 

[Tra-El]

MI: 6 is still out. If the MI:6 thing is true, I always thought the needle wouldn't move until the box office was over. So we might be looking at about 2 months or so if those negotiation tactics were anywhere near true.

 

[BH/HHH]

I'm so desperate to know what's going on, just wish they'd sort it out one way or another. It's the not knowing that's the worst.

 

[Mandon Knight]

I'm so desperate to know what's going on, just wish they'd sort it out one way or another. It's the not knowing that's the worst.

This is what I was saying yesterday, people were giving me no end of **** for basically saying the same thing.

 

[Mach2Infinity]

I think that it's only partly true about Snyder. The #1 mistake that the team made is the story structure for BvS especially after the so-so reception to MOS. They (Terrio, Snyder & John)went in far too serious for a film that centered around Superman whose character needs to be catered to the general audience (and a lot of dumbrass critics) whose main frame of reference was the Donnor/Reeve Superman. It may work with a character like Batman --the audience is already familiar with him but not a modern, updated Superman.

It doesn't help that guys like Tsujihara (there were a lot of them in WB) were still wed to the Nolan business model and trying to apply it to a Superman-centric film.

Good points you make there. I think ultimately it just showed how not to do Superman though as he's nothing like he is in the comics. The reason why WW succeeded is because they captured the very essence of her character from the source material and translated it quite well to the screen. Snyder et al clearly didn't know how to handle Superman other than in a grimdark fashion. I think after the BvS fallout, Snyder even said like "this is the only way I know how to do superheroes".


Also there was a lot of baffling decisions made. Why make Batman and Superman's conflict so adversarial and vitriolic? That was the first critical error. They should've gone the way of the World's Finest films and have their 'fight' mid-way in the film and it being a mild altercation before they realise they're on the same side. But along the way delving into their different methods and philosophy and ultimately Batman finding hope again through Superman. Also the senate hearing scene, Superman didn't even get to speak and show the world what he truly stands for...this could've set the stage for an epic clash of ideals between Superman and Lex. In the end we could've had a solid team-up film which could've been a DC/WB thing before Marvel got there.

 

[STARMAN]

MI: 6 is still out. If the MI:6 thing is true, I always thought the needle wouldn't move until the box office was over. So we might be looking at about 2 months or so if those negotiation tactics were anywhere near true.

If it's about McQuarrie then every good week at the box office counts. If it is just about Cavill then I think he got whatever boost he could from the buzz and nothing further will be gained from it in the passing weeks. Now the film just came out and they may be prepared to talk again. I'm speculating blindly. I'm still of the belief this works out.

 

[misslane38]

Good points you make there. I think ultimately it just showed how not to do Superman though as he's nothing like he is in the comics.

Having read the vast majority of Superman comics from the Golden Age until now, I have to say that this is just not true. Any time Superman has gone up against similar obstacles in the comics, he has behaved pretty close to how he behaved in BvS. In fact, I wouldn't say Superman was different but rather the world in which he existed. Other forms of media, like the comics, often soften the way the world would respond to Superman, particularly in the aftermath of city-wide collateral damage and a mysterious international incident. BvS didn't change Superman; it placed him in the real world with real world consequences.

Also there was a lot of baffling decisions made. Why make Batman and Superman's conflict so adversarial and vitriolic? That was the first critical error. They should've gone the way of the World's Finest films and have their 'fight' mid-way in the film and it being a mild altercation before they realise they're on the same side. But along the way delving into their different methods and philosophy and ultimately Batman finding hope again through Superman.

So the exact same story only with less intense conflict? I don't see the value in resolving the conflict midway through the film. If the conflict is the central conflict of the story, it shouldn't be resolved until the climax of the narrative. The conflict between Batman and Superman is central to Lex Luthor's philosophical motivations for his villainy. Resolving it midway through the story effectively neuters Lex's and Bruce's arcs.

Also the senate hearing scene, Superman didn't even get to speak and show the world what he truly stands for...this could've set the stage for an epic clash of ideals between Superman and Lex. In the end we could've had a solid team-up film which could've been a DC/WB thing before Marvel got there.

Superman and Lex Luthor are not in conflict and have never been in conflict because of ideological differences. Lex Luthor hates Superman because he represents an existential threat to Luthor's ego, which Luthor pretends represents the threat Superman poses to all humanity. It's like saying a racist xenophobe hates a person of color for ideological reasons. Ideology has nothing to do with racism. The racists hates the person of color or religious minority for existential reasons. Superman could never speak to the world and say what he truly stands for in BvS. Lex Luthor would never let that happen.

 

[BH/HHH]

This is what I was saying yesterday, people were giving me no end of **** for basically saying the same thing.

Yeah but it’s not just up to WB it’s up to Cavill aswell. But these things aren’t that simple.

 

[MbJ]

This is what I was saying yesterday, people were giving me no end of **** for basically saying the same thing.

To be fair, it was less that and more the attitude that the solution here was very simple and WB should just shut up and give Henry whatever he wants that people were criticizing.

 

[_Superman_]

I do hope Cavil comes back but if he doesn't then I'll be prepared to move on. I wanted the WB to keep Routh on board but I had to move on from him as well. What is sad though IMO is that the WB might actually waste now two good Supermen.