Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - - - Part 18

[Da-Scribe]

Lol, I can't believe folks are still bringing up that Robinov stuff. The dude was on his way out of WB and was running his mouth. The folks actually running the show were way more conservative in their expectations for MoS. BvS was the underperformer and JL was the bomb.

Hilarious to me that the Snyder flick with the least amount of WB intervention was also the most successful in terms of actually surpassing WB's box office expectations and being the most critically well reviewed. Hopefully they leave the next director alone.

 

[moviefreak]

https://variety.com/2013/film/news/...-priciest-incarnation-of-superman-1200493334/

Bro, I already knew about Robinov. He is not the most reliable guy to go for info on the fate of some WB films. He was talking out of his backside. He did some questionable stuffs at WB and went against some of his colleagues.

At the time when Robinov were sprouting his bs, others at WB were much more cautious about MOS' box office potentials.

 

[misslane38]

I agree, BVS was really frustrating for me because of that. I get really confused when people lump MOS/BVS fans together, because I'm a MOS fan but not a BVS fan at all. Superman made the ultimate sacrifice for the world, sure, but he never spoke up to the critics or got loud and said "I'm Superman, and this is why you don't have to fear me" he just died....like a soldier. And was mourned as one, like Diana said.

He didn't die like a soldier. When Diana says he was mourned like one, she was referring to the military funeral. However, that was just one third of the picture. The other two thirds were the memorial with the public standing around in a candlelit vigil, and the other was the humble farmer's funeral back in Smallville. Each of those funerals reflect the many facets of Superman. The public memorial, however, shows how he connected with the people.

I get what Zack was wanting to do with that scene but I think he still could've ended the scene the same way and still give us an epic Superman speech where he defends himself in front of the world.

He couldn't have Superman speak, because that would make Lex look ineffective and unprepared. Lex understood the power of Superman speaking, which is why he silenced the hearing when he did. It would also undermine Superman. If he spoke, and people still doubted him after, then it would make his speech appear ineffective.

Like there's no real reason to bring up the Senate hearing scene in this thread.

Good point.

 

[Nemeres]

Guest cameos might be his best ticket out of his current busy schedule of nothing, I've made peace with it. It's why hearing about a possible Supergirl is a welcome bone thrown.

 

[moviefreak]

The irony of it all is Goyer most likely would have written a more crowd pleasing script for Zack to film than Terrio who by his own admission was green to the whole superhero thing.

I was also supporting Goyer despite MOS. I mean Goyer did a fine job with MOS and would probably have done similar stuffs for the sequel.

No ultimately they weren’t happy but it wasn’t a disaster. Thwere were internal expectations that Man of Steel would make a billion. When it didn’t they fell in love with Snyder’s pitching a Batman Superman film. But ultimately that was also a mistake.

I’m not saying any of this cause I hate Snyder far from it I love his DC Films but they’re niche and not as accessible as tentpoles should be.

They certainly weren't happy, however there was no evidence that they were expecting MOS to make a billion. Are you crazy? lol

So far, the only person who bandied that number was that crazy chap Robinov who was at the time on his way out of WB. heh

 

[Jekecy]

Lol, I can't believe folks are still bringing up that Robinov stuff. The dude was on his way out of WB and was running his mouth. The folks actually running the show were way more conservative in their expectations for MoS. BvS was the underperformer and JL was the bomb.

Hilarious to me that the Snyder flick with the least amount of WB intervention was also the most successful in terms of actually surpassing WB's box office expectations and being the most critically well reviewed. Hopefully they leave the next director alone.

Bro, I already knew about Robinov. He is not the most reliable guy to go for info on the fate of some WB films. He was talking out of his backside. He did some questionable stuffs at WB and went against some of his colleagues.

At the time when Robinov were sprouting his bs, others at WB were much more cautious about MOS' box office potentials.

The floor's open to present exhibits, guys. As far as I recall there was no official statement about MOS' potential, other than Robinov. But feel free to correct that.

 

[STARMAN]

If I'm Henry's camp I would sign on for cameos only if WB commits to a standalone film. It would have to go into active development upon signing.

 

[MbJ]

That is probably WB’s stance too. There is no point in hiring Henry for cameos if someone else is gonna be in the new solo.

 

[Da-Scribe]

The floor's open to present exhibits, guys. As far as I recall there was no official statement about MOS' potential, other than Robinov. But feel free to correct that.

https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/box-office-report-man-steel-569173

It ended up opening to $113 mil, Thursday previews excluded.

 

[kguillou]

Look, none of us will ever know what the atmosphere was like when Zack had his post Man of Steel meeting with the execs. We'll never know if Batman was forced on him, he chose Batman or they both amicably agreed to use Batman in the sequel. But what we do know is that they kept Zack onboard and didnt fire him, signaling that they had to have at least been satisfied with the results he gave them. If they werent, MoS wouldve ended up like Superman Returns and Zack wouldve moved on elsewhere.

I THINK Zack and the studio had a long discussion about where to go next and they BOTH agreed that adding Batman to the next movie would give it a much needed Box Office and profile boost.

 

[moviefreak]

The floor's open to present exhibits, guys. As far as I recall there was no official statement about MOS' potential, other than Robinov. But feel free to correct that.

I don't have the links to some of the reports (used to have some URL links stored in text file but the external HD crashed to floor years ago) but I certainly remember reportage about some WB execs (other than Robinov) low-balling the box office number for MOS.

They certainty did not think that MOS will make a billion --especially for an origin film. Lemme, repeat it --are you crazy? lol They may have optimistically hoped that it will make about 700-800m or thereabout.

Bro, I just checked that this is the 'Henry Cavill Is Clark Kent/Superman' trend...maybe we'll should close shop. lol

 

[BH/HHH]

If I'm Henry's camp I would sign on for cameos only if WB commits to a standalone film. It would have to go into active development upon signing.

I don't think his contract will only be cameos. I think it will contain a solo film and another JL.

 

[STARMAN]

I don't think his contract will only be cameos. I think it will contain a solo film and another JL.

I don't think so either. But I would need a firm commitment. Not sure what stipulations you can have. But I would need something in writing and not just good faith.

 

[BH/HHH]

I don't think so either. But I would need a firm commitment. Not sure what stipulations you can have. But I would need something in writing and not just good faith.

Well that trades article that was meant to come out when it was expected that Cavill would sign supposedly has details of what is in the contract.

 

[Black Narcissus]

Article about Cavill and Supergirl from Revenge of the Fans:

https://revengeofthefans.com/2018/08/07/supergirl-has-the-girl-of-steel-replaced-man-of-steel-2-sort-of/

Damn. This is frustrating to read. It seems like Hamada and co have cool ideas/plan for Supes, but this new contract stuff is putting everything on hold. With Affleck most likely gone, and the new Batman set in the past, with WW sequel also set in the past, new supes film sequel could steer the ship forward in present day. Supes being a mentor to Shazam and Supergirl. I'm going to be bummed if we see Brainiac not go up against Cavill's Superman.

 

[STARMAN]

I still think he's going to sign but my confidence varies depending on the day.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Ugh, I agree; that article is frustrating. If all of that is true, it's just more of an example of how much WB has screwed this character.

And I'm sorry, but I'm not really that interested in a Supergirl movie. I've never found the character that interesting. She always seemed like a character that DC and various films and TV projects never quite knew what to do with. In one incarnation, she was some sort of plasma blob that Lex Luthor created in a lab and she became his lover. In a more traditional origin story in Superman/Batman, she was Kal-El's cousin, but they gave her the personality of Britney Spears. And in the TV show, it's like they had to give her a Clark Kent-style alter ego to (I guess) appeal to people more familiar with Superman.

 

[BH/HHH]

I still think he's going to sign but my confidence varies depending on the day.

As does mine

 

[Deck Rickard]

I just want a Superman movie, whether it has Henry or not. I'd prefer him to keep the role I guess but I'm also open to other actors. I just hate seeing Superman repeatedly sidelined.

 

[BH/HHH]

I just want a Superman movie, whether it has Henry or not. I'd prefer him to keep the role I guess but I'm also open to other actors. I just hate seeing Superman repeatedly sidelined.

I feel the same way, as much as I want Cavill back if he isn’t returning then I’m happy for a new actor.

It is frustrating as hell to see him sidelined so often. Who knows maybe the social media backlash to the Supergirl news from the Superman fans perspective will make WB go back to Cavill with a revised offer.

 

[Double B]

Much as I like Cavill's potential and aesthetic, and think he's been done a disservice by Snyder/WB thus far, I honestly can't see them approaching him with a revised offer. The ball is in his court.

While his agent would obviously like to capitalise on the MI goodwill, you don't get A-list money and A-list creative control until you go A-list. And one well received supporting role after, shall we say a divisive run of Superman/DC movies, doesn't an A-lister make.

WB's fear, I would imagine, also stems from the fact that Cavill would drop them in a heartbeat for Bond or a franchise of his own. That's really what this is coming down to. Cavill wants his bankable role. His Mission Impossible. He wants that mega-bucks job security while he's still young enough to lead his own series of blockbusters for 10 years.

 

[BH/HHH]

Much as I like Cavill's potential and aesthetic, and think he's been done a disservice by Snyder/WB thus far, I honestly can't see them approaching him with a revised offer. The ball is in his court.

While his agent would obviously like to capitalise on the MI goodwill, you don't get A-list money and A-list creative control until you go A-list. And one well received supporting role after, shall we say a divisive run of Superman/DC movies, doesn't an A-lister make.

WB's fear, I would imagine, also stems from the fact that Cavill would drop them in a heartbeat for Bond or a franchise of his own. That's really what this is coming down to. Cavill wants his bankable role. His Mission Impossible. He wants that mega-bucks job security while he's still young enough to lead his own series of blockbusters for 10 years.

I don’t think they’ll leave it there if he doesn’t budge personally. They’re most likely offering lower than they are willing to go to and he is probably asking for more than he thinks he’ll get.

 

[Deck Rickard]

Yeah, I can understand Cavill's goal here, especially if he's gotten word that they're eyeing him for Bond. And they may be; I know everyone assumes that Eon wouldn't want "Superman" to play Bond, but perhaps he impressed them so much in that audition way back when that they always wanted him to be the heir apparent to Craig. (I wouldn't bank on this, but stranger things have happened.)

Anyway, yeah... if Cavill was in a position where he might be taking over a new franchise, be it Bond or something else, then he might actually have some pull here. But as far as we know, he isn't, so WB might not be inclined to come back to him with a better offer.

 

[Jekecy]

Ugh, I agree; that article is frustrating. If all of that is true, it's just more of an example of how much WB has screwed this character.

While they’re not absolved of culpability, ultimately this falls on the directors for not delivering. WB are just a bunch of suits who lend money, they’re not that involved with the creative side.

At the time, I can see why they were confident in the teams hired. Singer was just coming off the critical acclaim and box office smash in X2, and Snyder had 300 to his belt while also having the Dark Knight team giving a helping hand.

On paper (at the time), those are good odds of producing a hit. Just didn’t work out.

 

[kguillou]

Guys guys guys get a hold of yourselves. Henry aint goin nowhere. If we were in a situation where the DCU Snyder created were being rebooted, yeah, i'd agree with you, but they are keeping the world and continuity Snyder established. Gal is still Wonder Woman, Jason is about star in Aquaman and it looks GOOD. Ezra's about to be filming Flash. Yeah, Ben's on his way out but Ben was ALWAYS an outlier amongst this DCEU cast. WB and Snyder needed to persuade him to do this to begin with and the man was not in this for the long haul. He doesnt need this. Henry WANTS to be Superman. Superman is the reason hes a household name now and probably how he got hired for MI6.

Henry will be Superman people, relax. The only question is if WB are prioritizing a Superman film right now in the wake of JL.