Justice League Henry Cavill IS Clark Kent/Superman - - - - - - - - - - Part 19

[Tra-El]

If Henry doesn't sign then that will be the biggest missed opportunity in the new age CBM and a facepalm of a botched attempt. Henry has everything going for him to be a GREAT Superman. It would be a shame to end on that ****show that was JL.

 

[Greenlite]

my heart sunk with that blue beetles tease

it's like, you want the big blue?

we'll give you blue girl and blue beetles eh *wink wink

 

[Tra-El]

I'd be pretty bummed and would take me awhile to get enthusiastic about things for the time being. I really love Cavill in the role. His look alone and passion he has for the character is something that rejuvenated my love for Superman on screen again. Losing him would be a big blow. But in the end, whatever it takes to get a great Superman film one day. We might be waiting awhile to see him in cinema again if things are indeed going South. Until then, I'll hold out hope.

 

[Patchwork Man]

If Henry doesn't sign then that will be the biggest missed opportunity in the new age CBM and a facepalm of a botched attempt. Henry has everything going for him to be a GREAT Superman. It would be a shame to end on that ****show that was JL.

Word.

 

[MAN O STEEL]

If Henry doesn't sign then that will be the biggest missed opportunity in the new age CBM and a facepalm of a botched attempt. Henry has everything going for him to be a GREAT Superman. It would be a shame to end on that ****show that was JL.

I want Cavill as Superman but given how this cinematic universe has been I'm kinda hoping that they just scrap this attempt and reboot. None of the films imo have really been that great, so why continue building this universe that is already on an unstable foundation?. People have been burned so much by whats been shown that no one is gonna give this next lot of movies a fair chance. This DCEU or DCU or whatever its called is ridiculed even on video's iv'e seen that have nothing to do with the subject of Superheroes. That's how far it's gone. You don't recover from stuff like that. The damage is done and it can't be corrected.

 

[Herolee10]

I'd be pretty bummed and would take me awhile to get enthusiastic about things for the time being. I really love Cavill in the role. His look alone and passion he has for the character is something that rejuvenated my love for Superman on screen again. Losing him would be a big blow. But in the end, whatever it takes to get a great Superman film one day. We might be waiting awhile to see him in cinema again if things are indeed going South. Until then, I'll hold out hope.

ITA

It's really a damn shame that things are turning out like this and how Warner Bros is practically doing away with anything that would remind audiences of Zack Snyder (i.e. Ben and Henry).

That's why I can't get excited for the other DC films. No matter how good they may end up being, what's the freaking point of getting invested in a DC universe that doesn't have Superman at the front of it? What makes it any different from the Arrowverse? So hearing things like Warner Bros being more interested in making Supergirl film over a superman film makes me more irate as a fan.

And should Henry not return for the role then I could care less if they were to introduce a new superman in Supergirl's film. Just look at what happened to the character in Supergirl's tv show.

 

[Greenlite]

And should Henry not return for the role then I could care less if they were to introduce a new superman in Supergirl's film. Just look at what happened to the character in Supergirl's tv show.

What happened to him on the show?

I stopped during S2

 

[MAN O STEEL]

What happened to him on the show?

I stopped during S2

They treated Superman like the mentally challenged little brother to the ever flawless and perfect SJW Supergirl. She's apparently stronger, smarter and a better hero all round. That show is nothing more than an extremist feminist movement disguised as a superhero show. I stopped watching once they introduced Superman in season 2. Screw em.

 

[Herolee10]

What happened to him on the show?

I stopped during S2

Honestly, the first episode that he was introduced in was fine. But things started getting bad with his second episode.

Long story short, they have pretty much converted almost ALL of Superman's classic villains into Supergirl's (i.e. Metallio, Toyman, Parasite, Manchester Black, etc).

At the end of season 2, Superman had been brainwashed with silver kryptonite into believing that Kara was General Zod which led into a big battle and resulted in her beating him. Now personally I'm flexible with the idea if Supergirl beating Superman on certain conditions but the writers had to constantly have the characters point out that superman had been giving his full effort when he was fighting Supergirl and still lost the match clean.

Then you pretty much have the show treating Supergirl as though she were the planet's one and only hope against alien threats, disregarding superman completely.

And the straw that broke the camel's back was how it was revealed that the show's version of the legion of superheroes were created by Mon-el (Kara's ex-boyfriend) in honor of Supergirl's memory as opposed to Superman's legacy.

 

[Greenlite]

They treated Superman like the mentally challenged little brother to the ever flawless and perfect SJW Supergirl. She's apparently stronger, smarter and a better hero all round. That show is nothing more than an extremist feminist movement disguised as a superhero show. I stopped watching once they introduced Superman in season 2. Screw em.

Honestly, the first episode that he was introduced in was fine. But things started getting bad with his second episode.

Long story short, they have pretty much converted almost ALL of Superman's classic villains into Supergirl's (i.e. Metallio, Toyman, Parasite, Manchester Black, etc).

At the end of season 2, Superman had been brainwashed with silver kryptonite into believing that Kara was General Zod which led into a big battle and resulted in her beating him. Now personally I'm flexible with the idea if Supergirl beating Superman on certain conditions but the writers had to constantly have the characters point out that superman had been giving his full effort when he was fighting Supergirl and still lost the match clean.

Then you pretty much have the show treating Supergirl as though she were the planet's one and only hope against alien threats, disregarding superman completely.

And the straw that broke the camel's back was how it was revealed that the show's version of the legion of superheroes were created by Mon-el (Kara's ex-boyfriend) in honor of Supergirl's memory as opposed to Superman's legacy.

Haha, thanks for answering.

Looks like they've demonstrated the art of how to put one group down in order to promote the other group to perfection.

I was thinking of letting my daughter watch those CW shows when she's a bit older, until they decided to have Sara banging every girl she can gets her hands, including Kara's sister, and Felicity banging Queen and Ray at the same time (not same location but ya). What kinda sicko show runners...young kids seriously will think banging people will make them superheroes.

The only one I've kept up is The Flash, haven't seen 2nd half of this season, hopefully Barry's not banging all fellow lab techs, The Thinker and The Thinker's wife

 

[Tra-El]

I want Cavill as Superman but given how this cinematic universe has been I'm kinda hoping that they just scrap this attempt and reboot. None of the films imo have really been that great, so why continue building this universe that is already on an unstable foundation?. People have been burned so much by whats been shown that no one is gonna give this next lot of movies a fair chance. This DCEU or DCU or whatever its called is ridiculed even on video's iv'e seen that have nothing to do with the subject of Superheroes. That's how far it's gone. You don't recover from stuff like that. The damage is done and it can't be corrected.

They already re-branded and moving in a direction that isn't backwards. They're in the process of recovering if you just bust out good films with a good overall script and story. This is basically known by now. Henry's Superman can easily be a part of the rebrand givin' how how seamlessly Jenkins is moving onward with WW84 and Wan's Aquaman. Seriously, by the time we would get another Superman film, the audience will treat it as such..another Superman film. They won't be reminded of the past if it's simply a great Superman movie.

 

[heatvision38]

They treated Superman like the mentally challenged little brother to the ever flawless and perfect SJW Supergirl. She's apparently stronger, smarter and a better hero all round. That show is nothing more than an extremist feminist movement disguised as a superhero show. I stopped watching once they introduced Superman in season 2. Screw em.

Pretty much. They used Superman to prop up her ratings when she moved to CW, so he was in the first two episodes of S2, and then at the end of the season, they used him to prop up Supergirl as the better/more powerful hero (something you would never see with Batman). They also co-opt many of Superman's stories. Don't even get me started on how agenda-fied the show is.

 

[Greenlite]

They already re-branded and moving in a direction that isn't backwards. They're in the process of recovering if you just bust out good films with a good overall script and story. This is basically known by now. Henry's Superman can easily be a part of the rebrand givin' how how seamlessly Jenkins is moving onward with WW84 and Wan's Aquaman. Seriously, by the time we would get another Superman film, the audience will treat it as such..another Superman film. They won't be reminded of the past if it's simply a great Superman movie.

MOS2049?

But to be fair, we're all waiting for that "Logan" movie with Cavill (as in critically acclaimed and a financial success), or at the least The Wolverine in Japan lol. If Hugh can go through weirdo Deadpool and still have his Logan, sure sure Henry can do the same...just sign McQ!

 

[flickchick85]

Haha, thanks for answering.

Looks like they've demonstrated the art of how to put one group down in order to promote the other group to perfection.

I was thinking of letting my daughter watch those CW shows when she's a bit older, until they decided to have Sara banging every girl she can gets her hands, including Kara's sister, and Felicity banging Queen and Ray at the same time (not same location but ya). What kinda sicko show runners...young kids seriously will think banging people will make them superheroes.

The only one I've kept up is The Flash, haven't seen 2nd half of this season, hopefully Barry's not banging all fellow lab techs, The Thinker and The Thinker's wife

For the record, that's only one side of opinions on how Superman was treated on Supergirl. He was overall quite well-received if you look outside these circles, and I personally loved his portrayal, his utter lack of ego in supporting his cousin, and being the source of strength he was always supposed to be. He was not portrayed as being dumber than her - in fact, HE was the one who came up with the solution Supergirl came to in the finale. HE was the one who provide her with wisdom and words of encouragement when she was doubting herself. Literally everyone on that show (including his cousin) looks up to him in awe. He represented all the qualities I associate with Superman - warmth, kindness, humility, humor, strength and grace - and why he's my favorite hero, in a way no live-action version as EVER done. I agree with other criticisms on the show when it comes to heavy-handed ways it pushes its political agendas, but not on their treatment of Superman. Especially on a show CALLED Supergirl, where of course she'd take center stage, I thought it was well-handled. In their universe, Superman has already been known and revered as Earth's champion for 15 years. So he had a pass-the-torch moment with Kara at a point where she desperately needed some confidence, and some fans saw that as "diminishing" him. But people will see what they want to see, I guess.

 

[heatvision38]

Haha, thanks for answering.

Looks like they've demonstrated the art of how to put one group down in order to promote the other group to perfection.

This is what I keep saying. That's why I keep comparing it to Jenkin and Gal's WW. They created a strong, independent woman without resorting to emasculating or minimizing the male characters. WW did a much better job of showing people what women are capable of than Supergirl (the show) does. To be fair, I do think Kara and her sister do a good job, that's about it.

They even had an episode that, for some reason, there was this meteor or something where they had to go to to save some people, but it somehow emitted a radiation that was lethal only to men. So queue up the all-women's squad. Like, they do realize that men/boys can watch this show, too, right?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

For the record, that's only one side of opinions on how Superman was treated on Supergirl. He was overall quite well-received if you look outside these circles, and I personally loved his portrayal, his utter lack of ego in supporting his cousin, and being the source of strength he was always supposed to be. He was not portrayed as being dumber than her - in fact, HE was the one who came up with the solution Supergirl came to in the finale. HE was the one who provide her with wisdom and words of encouragement when she was doubting herself. Literally everyone on that show (including his cousin) looks up to him in awe. He represented all the qualities I associate with Superman - warmth, kindness, humility, humor, strength and grace - and why he's my favorite hero, in a way no live-action version as EVER done. I agree with other criticisms on the show when it comes to heavy-handed ways it pushes its political agendas, but not on their treatment of Superman. Especially on a show CALLED Supergirl, where of course she'd take center stage, I thought it was well-handled. In their universe, Superman has already been known and revered as Earth's champion for 15 years. So he had a pass-the-torch moment with Kara at a point where she desperately needed some confidence, and some fans saw that as "diminishing" him. But people will see what they want to see, I guess.

Couldn't have said it better, the show may lay certain messages on too thick at times, but the way they treated Superman in his appearances shows nothing but respect and an understanding of the character, boiling it down to who inspired the Legion or who beat up who in a fight is willfully choosing to ignore everything else they did with the character.

 

[Greenlite]

For the record, that's only one side of opinions on how Superman was treated on Supergirl. He was overall quite well-received if you look outside these circles, and I personally loved his portrayal, his utter lack of ego in supporting his cousin, and being the source of strength he was always supposed to be. He was not portrayed as being dumber than her - in fact, HE was the one who came up with the solution Supergirl came to in the finale. HE was the one who provide her with wisdom and words of encouragement when she was doubting herself. Literally everyone on that show (including his cousin) looks up to him in awe. He represented all the qualities I associate with Superman - warmth, kindness, humility, humor, strength and grace - and why he's my favorite hero, in a way no live-action version as EVER done. I agree with other criticisms on the show when it comes to heavy-handed ways it pushes its political agendas, but not on their treatment of Superman. Especially on a show CALLED Supergirl, where of course she'd take center stage, I thought it was well-handled. In their universe, Superman has already been known and revered as Earth's champion for 15 years. So he had a pass-the-torch moment with Kara at a point where she desperately needed some confidence, and some fans saw that as "diminishing" him. But people will see what they want to see, I guess.

Good to know, I guess I need to...watch the highlight reel of Superman cuz I don't wanna go through the show? lol

This is what I keep saying. That's why I keep comparing it to Jenkin and Gal's WW. They created a strong, independent woman without resorting to emasculating or minimizing the male characters. WW did a much better job of showing people what women are capable of than Supergirl (the show) does. To be fair, I do think Kara and her sister do a good job, that's about it.

They even had an episode that, for some reason, there was this meteor or something where they had to go to to save some people, but it somehow emitted a radiation that was lethal only to men. So queue up the all-women's squad. Like, they do realize that men/boys can watch this show, too, right?

Ya Jenkins made it for both guys and girls, she was quite diplomatic about it even when there was some protests with the all women showing lol, the lady can interact with anyone.

I loved Melissa's performances, it's such as shame, lucky I get to see her in the annual cross over events.

I actually advocate for an all female JL movie in the near future lol, since the 5/6 male JL tanked and might not return for a while, and DC has got the groundwork done on DC Girls toys/videos etc, maybe chuck Steve Trevor, Henry Allen and Alfred in there for support

 

[heatvision38]

For the record, that's only one side of opinions on how Superman was treated on Supergirl. He was overall quite well-received, and I personally loved his portrayal, his utter lack of ego in supporting his cousin, and being the pillar of strength for her he was always described as by everyone. Literally everyone on that show (including his cousin) looks up to him in awe. He represented all the qualities I associate with Superman - warmth, kindness, humility, strength and grace - and why he's my favorite hero, in a way no live-action version as EVER done. But people will see what they want to see, I guess. I agree with other criticisms on the show when it comes to heavy-handed ways it pushes its political agendas, but not on their treatment of Superman.

I agree that that's how they started with Superman. Had it just been the opening two-parter, then all is good. But then you have him come back at the end of the season solely to explain why Kara needs to be the one to fight Mon-El's mother for the fate of the world rather than Superman. Hence the battle between Superman and Supergirl that resulted in Kara winning, despite Superman thinking he was fighting Zod, and therefore not holding back.

They even could have used the silver kryptonite poisoning as an explanation as to why the older, more experienced Superman lost the fight. Kara even brings this up in the Fortress, but they squash that by having Clark specifically say, "No, I was fighting at full strength. You beat me fair and square." Then, in an episode this season, when Supergirl was to face Reign (I believe for the first time), they had Kara say, "I can beat Superman when I need to, I can beat her." Way to beat us over the head with it.

Like, what's the point of that? Can you imagine then propping up Nightwing by punking Batman? Would never happen? Why doesn't Superman get the same respect?

I love Kara, I love Alex, Winn was cool, but kind of got less and less play, J'onn is cool, but more just there to be a father figure. But I just can't watch this show anymore. How they treated Superman at the end of S2 was almost enough for me to stop watching the show, but I kept on. But then when you add the obvious, hamfisted agendas, it just got to be too much. Oh, and btw, [BLACKOUT]somehow Lena is able to analyze and duplicate that special mineral substance that keeps Argo City going, but the more scientifically advanced Kryponian scientists can't?[/BLACKOUT] Weak writing.

 

[Greenlite]

I agree that that's how they started with Superman. Had it just been the opening two-parter, then all is good. But then you have him come back at the end of the season solely to explain why Kara needs to be the one to fight Mon-El's mother for the fate of the world rather than Superman. Hence the battle between Superman and Supergirl that resulted in Kara winning, despite Superman thinking he was fighting Zod, and therefore not holding back.

They even could have used the silver kryptonite poisoning as an explanation as to why the older, more experienced Superman lost the fight. Kara even brings this up in the Fortress, but they squash that by having Clark specifically say, "No, I was fighting at full strength." Then, in an episode this season, when Supergirl was to face Reign (I believe for the first time), they had Kara say, "I can beat Superman when I need to, I can beat her." Way to beat us over the head with it.

Like, what's the point of that? Can you imagine then propping up Nightwing by punking Batman? Would never happen? Why doesn't Superman get the same respect?

I love Kara, I love Alex, Winn was cool, but kind of got less and less play, J'onn is cool, but more just there to be a father figure. But I just can't watch this show anymore. How they treated Superman at the end of S2 was almost enough for me to stop watching the show, but I kept on. But then when you add the obvious, hamfisted agendas, it just got to be too much. Oh, and btw, [BLACKOUT]somehow Lena is able to analyze and duplicate that special mineral substance that keeps Argo City going, but the more scientifically advanced Kryponian scientists can't?[/BLACKOUT] Weak writing.

hold your horses son

 

[heatvision38]

Couldn't have said it better, the show may lay certain messages on too thick at times, but the way they treated Superman in his appearances shows nothing but respect and an understanding of the character, boiling it down to who inspired the Legion or who beat up who in a fight is willfully choosing to ignore everything else they did with the character.

How was the season finale to the second season doing justice to Superman?

And I also don't agree that all these Superman stories being given to Supergirl is a small thing. There's something to be said that Superman was such an inspiration for generations to come that even a thousand years later, heroes are honoring him. Now that goes to Supergirl. A bunch of other Superman characters and storylines have also been lifted right from Superman. Makes me wonder, what has this version of Superman been doing all these years?

 

[KillerMcQueen]

How was the season finale to the second season doing justice to Superman?

And I also don't agree that all these Superman stories being given to Supergirl are a small thing. There's something to be said that Superman was such an inspiration for generations to come that even a thousand years later, heroes are honoring him. Now that goes to Supergirl. A bunch of other Superman characters and storylines have also been lifted right from Superman. Makes me wonder, what has this version of Superman been doing all these years?

Flickchick already answered that question, but I guess ignoring that in favor of only focusing on a few throwaway lines is more supportive of your argument?

 

[Jekecy]

How was the season finale to the second season doing justice to Superman?

And I also don't agree that all these Superman stories being given to Supergirl is a small thing. There's something to be said that Superman was such an inspiration for generations to come that even a thousand years later, heroes are honoring him. Now that goes to Supergirl. A bunch of other Superman characters and storylines have also been lifted right from Superman. Makes me wonder, what has this version of Superman been doing all these years?

This isn't the hill to die on. Supes has had plenty of love and presence on TV, it's arguably where he's been the most popular since the Reeve days. What's going on in Supergirl is harmless in the larger scheme.

 

[heatvision38]

Flickchick already answered that question, but I guess ignoring that in favor of only focusing on a few throwaway lines is more supportive of your argument?

I'm not sure what you are trying to say. You said they treated Superman with nothing but respect. I asked you to answer how that was the case given the way they treated him at the end of the season. A couple of words of widsom is great, but that doesn't erase the rest of the episode or what Kara said in season 2. That also matters.

 

[heatvision38]

This isn't the hill to die on. Supes has had plenty of love and presence on TV, it's arguably where he's been the most popular since the Reeve days. What's going on in Supergirl is harmless in the larger scheme.

Who said I was dying on this hill? Clearly I've pointed out other reasons that have turned me off to the show. I maintain this is not a small thing, but by no means have I said it was the end-all-be-all.

You like to be the contrarian, don't you?

 

[MAN O STEEL]

How was the season finale to the second season doing justice to Superman?

And I also don't agree that all these Superman stories being given to Supergirl is a small thing. There's something to be said that Superman was such an inspiration for generations to come that even a thousand years later, heroes are honoring him. Now that goes to Supergirl. A bunch of other Superman characters and storylines have also been lifted right from Superman. Makes me wonder, what has this version of Superman been doing all these years?

Exactly!!. Anyone who thinks that they've done honor to Superman at all on this show is out of their mind. Look, Supergirl is cool. She's a good character and a great role model for women and little girls but at the end of the season they have Superman tell Kara that she had made the sacrifice for the greater good of the world that he thinks he couldn't have made. That she's a better hero than him and stronger willed. People, c'mon. This is Superman were talking about. Superman is the ultimate hero who would give up everything he cares about for the entire world because he loves all the world. That abomination on Supergirl is not Superman. Say what you want about Cavills Superman but he willingly gave up his entire life for the world when he took out Doomsday. That's Superman. They brought Superman down to a second tier hero just to build up the woman power crap and they've done nothing but shove that agenda down our throats ever since.