BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - Part 21

[Boy Scout]

I've never been attached to super breath. I don't care one way or the other if Cavill's Superman has it.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Freeze breath is cool.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Unlike heat blasts coming from Superman's entire body or Doomsday's mouth, freeze breath requires a mechanism and it's a nonsensical one. IF Superman could shoot freeze beams from his hands or create a freeze field THEN freeze breath could be consistent with that magic, but as it stands, it's an anomaly without any kind of basis for why it mechanically expresses itself the way it does.

Although freeze breath, as depicted in the comics and other mediums, relies on the mechanism you've described, it still falls under the larger umbrella of a fictional power. Sure, it may be less consistent with other abilities that require no such manner of functioning, but where the commonality lies between them all is in their nonexistent place in the real world; I believe that's what KillerWolf was getting at earlier. Once you've already established that Superman has otherworldly powers which appear almost magical in nature, you can further portray them in just about any way of your choosing. Even if one ability lends itself a bit more to scientific scrutiny on account of the way it's presented on film, that doesn't render it entirely dissimilar from the rest.

 

[Mainline]

Although freeze breath, as depicted in the comics and other mediums, relies on the mechanism you've described, it still falls under the larger umbrella of a fictional power. Sure, it may be less consistent with other abilities that require no such manner of functioning, but where the commonality lies between them all is in their nonexistent place in the real world; I believe that's what KillerWolf was getting at earlier. Once you've already established that Superman has otherworldly powers which appear almost magical in nature, you can further portray them in just about any way of your choosing. Even if one ability lends itself a bit more to scientific scrutiny on account of the way it's presented on film, that doesn't render it entirely dissimilar from the rest.

Long, but unconvincing.

This is the trap Mad Love is pointing out. If you say it's all fiction so anything goes, then there's nothing to excluded Freeze Breath, sure... but nothing to recommend it either. Except preference. And if preference is the only measure then stop trying to argue the plausibility of mechanics (which is what Thorson did, by just accepting it as a freeze ray that comes out of his mouth for no particular reason, rather than try to argue its scientific merits or consistency).

Again, heat vision can be bound to all the other powers with more common ties and internal consistency than freeze breath. When solar flare or doomsday heat blast came along no one blinked because it was consistent with and unsurprising to the underlying theory of the power. By contrast, if Superman were suddenly to gain freezing touch, control the weather, or reveal he has a pocket dimension in his lungs where he can store anything... people would probably balk even though freeze breath kind of requires those kinds of implications or mechanics to work.

If you're trying to argue literary preference, fine, but that's not the discussion being had. I'm responding purely to attempts at mechanically explaining the power, where it falls out as an anomaly. Lots of aspects of Superman don't hold up to scientific rigor but are literary genius, but I'm not debating the preference of freeze breath, I'm discussing how it's distinguishable from the other powers in terms of internal consistency.

 

[Clark-Kent]

I've never been attached to super breath. I don't care one way or the other if Cavill's Superman has it.

I hope Superman uses freeze breath to clear out all those fires

 

[RadioSha]

I hope Superman uses freeze breath to clear out all those fires

Good eye. Maybe. But I don't think that's the same scene/area

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Long, but unconvincing.

So you are one of those people, got it.

 

[lukebrodyg]

I don't see how the ability to freeze is any crazier than heat vision.

This is silly :

This is just as bad ass as the heat vision :

So true!

 

[superboy13]

Long, but unconvincing.

This is the trap Mad Love is pointing out. If you say it's all fiction so anything goes, then there's nothing to excluded Freeze Breath, sure... but nothing to recommend it either. Except preference. And if preference is the only measure then stop trying to argue the plausibility of mechanics (which is what Thorson did, by just accepting it as a freeze ray that comes out of his mouth for no particular reason, rather than try to argue its scientific merits or consistency).

Again, heat vision can be bound to all the other powers with more common ties and internal consistency than freeze breath. When solar flare or doomsday heat blast came along no one blinked because it was consistent with and unsurprising to the underlying theory of the power. By contrast, if Superman were suddenly to gain freezing touch, control the weather, or reveal he has a pocket dimension in his lungs where he can store anything... people would probably balk even though freeze breath kind of requires those kinds of implications or mechanics to work.

If you're trying to argue literary preference, fine, but that's not the discussion being had. I'm responding purely to attempts at mechanically explaining the power, where it falls out as an anomaly. Lots of aspects of Superman don't hold up to scientific rigor but are literary genius, but I'm not debating the preference of freeze breath, I'm discussing how it's distinguishable from the other powers in terms of internal consistency.

It's pretty easy, actually. This is all made up stuff. Just make up a gland (or whatever) that kryptonians have that can freeze their breath, so when he blows out, boom, arctic breath. No different to a superpowered air conditioner in Supes' mouth.

Granted, that's Nolan-levels of needless exposition, so I'd rather they just avoid that and straight away use the superpower, like they do with the rest.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Guys purse your lips tight and then forcefully blow air out. It feels cooler , no? Freeze breath is much more grounded in reality than heat vision. But heat vision is still more fun.

 

[superboy13]

Guys purse your lips tight and then forcefully blow air out. It feels cooler , no? Freeze breath is much more grounded in reality than heat vision. But heat vision is still more fun.

Even if you do, that air will be room temperature, you can't go really lower than that, I think that was covered before.

 

[Tra-El]

Neck snap? That's nothin. Supes should go for it all, freeze breath Batman and shatter him to pieces! No guts, no anything. Just solid Bat-ice! YEA!

Oh, and I love freeze breath. Supergirl has used it in one of her episodes this season.

 

[Astro13Zombie]

Wouldn't be bothered by them using freeze breath but it's not something I really care to see.

 

[souperman]

Even if you do, that air will be room temperature, you can't go really lower than that, I think that was covered before.

...of course you can...

...the point of Superman's "freeze breath" is that he is able...with his "Super-Lungs" to "compress" the "room air", much like "liquid oxygen" to such a degree that when he releases it, the air is "Super-Chilled" or "Freeze- Breath-ed"

Reeve had it...Routh had it...Cavil has that power too...

Get it ! (the force awakens)


....just wanted to see how many times I could obnoxiously use "quotes" and mis-used iconst:

 

[superboy13]

....just wanted to see how many times I could obnoxiously use "quotes" and mis-used iconst:

Apparently, a lot.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I don't think this Superman will have super breath. Goyer said that their Superman didn't have the ability in MOS, and I doubt he is just going to "develop" it out of nowhere now...

I really don't think it's necessary for Superman to have super breath to be honest, at least in this film universe.

 

[souperman]

Apparently, a lot.

...I got a whole bag full of "quotes"...don't make me "use em"...

 

[BH/HHH]

I don't think this Superman will have super breath. Goyer said that their Superman didn't have the ability in MOS, and I doubt he is just going to "develop" it out of nowhere now...

I really don't think it's necessary for Superman to have super breath to be honest, at least in this film universe.

I think he will looking at the image above the page which is in the trailers looks to me like he's ready to unleash some freeze breath. Although he could just be getting charged up to rush at someone or something in flight.

Also talk about having abilities out of nowhere Superman didn't use freeze breath or heat vision in STM but he used both in Superman II.

 

[I Am The Knight]

I think he will looking at the image above the page which is in the trailers looks to me like he's ready to unleash some freeze breath. Although he could just be getting charged up to rush at someone or something in flight.

Also talk about having abilities out of nowhere Superman didn't use freeze breath or heat vision in STM but he used both in Superman II.

I suppose I'm going by what Goyer said, mostly. I know he's out of the picture at this point but it would be a little strange to me if Superman had super breath now.

You bring up a good point with how they handled that in the Reeve films, but I guess we'll have to wait and see. I guess I wouldn't really complain if they gave him super breath now since technically in MOS no one said he didn't have the ability anyway.

 

[Tra-El]

It would be no shock to me that Supes would form freeze breath, ontop of other things. It actually goes right in line with MoS and Jor-EL's message to him to keep testing his limits and how Jor-EL has seen him grown to heights he can never imagine. MoS, in many ways, Supes was still green and only figured out how to fly just days before his epic battle with Zod. I would like to think that Superman is still learning and will learn new things about himself and what he is capable of not only in this next movie, but in this DCEU in its entirety.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

Even if you do, that air will be room temperature, you can't go really lower than that, I think that was covered before.

Well first of all the air coming out of you is body temp, not "room" temp, which varies of course. And yes it's possible to lower the temp a few degrees lower than it would have been otherwise.

 

[superboy13]

Well first of all the air coming out of you is body temp, not "room" temp,

True, sorry.

which varies of course. And yes it's possible to lower the temp a few degrees lower than it would have been otherwise.

But no matter how much you compress that air, you won't get to the point that Supes' arctic breath usually does.

Not that I really care, anyway. I'm of the mindset that they should just use it straight away. I don't need dumb pseudo-science to explain away every entirely impossible thing Superman does.

 

[MydnightPhoenix]

I just hope Snyder and WB just decide to stick with the basic powers and not go into the questionable ones. Just as a creative decision, like choosing to leave out the trunks. Supebreath? Ugh...if it has to happen I guess I can deal with it.

 

[superboy13]

I just hope Snyder and WB just decide to stick with the basic powers and not go into the questionable ones. Just as a creative decision, like choosing to leave out the trunks. Supebreath? Ugh...if it has to happen I guess I can deal with it.

But that one IS part of Superman's basic powers. I mean, it's not soul-vision or super-ventriloquism. It's been present in every iteration.

 

[Joeyjojo72]

True, sorry.

But no matter how much you compress that air, you won't get to the point that Supes' arctic breath usually does.

Not that I really care, anyway. I'm of the mindset that they should just use it straight away. I don't need dumb pseudo-science to explain away every entirely impossible thing Superman does.

Haha well duh. I'm just saying that the underlying concept is sound. Supes just takes it to the nth degree. Heat vision is something else entirely.

And I'm with you on your final point. Just go with it people.