BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - Part 22

[AnneFan]

I'd love to have this in a solo Superman film one day:

Amazing story.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

If only they had done this story in the designs used for the DC SHOWCASE shorts. More people would be able to get into that DTV with that one change, and yeah, I know the rationale many give for how it was supposed to work, but in the end, it just didn't work for many that saw it, and I am one that got used to the design aesthetic and still love the DTV, but it would have been better in the long run to leave that sort of style for some other project and do this story more in line with the SHOWCASE shorts' "cinematic" look.

 

[BH/HHH]

Superman vs the Elite is probably the best animated film they've done in the DTV line but unfortunately the character designs put people off. It's exactly why I feel like they were the ones who shafted Superman, I mean who signed off on those designs? They're just awful. Why there wasn't an attempt to make it look more like the comic book I just don't know.

Fortunately when I watch it I can deal with them and they don't actually ruin my enjoyment of the film.

Given the nature of the DCEU I think Superman vs the Elite/What's So Funny About Truth, Justice and the American Way? Would be an excellent idea. However I'm not sure if it would be marketable to a mainstream audience unless they pulled out some incredible casting for the Elite members.

I am still hoping we either get a Mongul/Lobo villain centric MOS2 or Brainiac, but if we got the Elite I'm sure I'd be fine with it. I'd just worry how it would do Box Office wise.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Honestly, adding the Elite to the DCEU would go a long way to bolster the Superman Rogues Gallery. Getting tapped for a live action appearance for CBM characters usually heightens their general visibility but also enhances their position in the mythology in general, given the mass media effect.

The Elite in live action would put them into the tier of Lex, Zod, Brainiac, Darkseid, Doomsday, Mxy and Metallo in terms of how the audience and fans would look at them I'd wager.

 

[BlueLanternKal]

I still prefer Kingdom Come. Has the same message as the the arc with the Elite, but it's better.

And I want to see old Superman as a farmer and Diana trying to convince Clark to come out of retirement. The "he's back" feeling you get from KC is much more inspiring than Miller's bat**** crazy Bruce Wayne coming out of retirement in TDKR.

 

[BH/HHH]

Honestly, adding the Elite to the DCEU would go a long way to bolster the Superman Rogues Gallery. Getting tapped for a live action appearance for CBM characters usually heightens their general visibility but also enhances their position in the mythology in general, given the mass media effect.

The Elite in live action would put them into the tier of Lex, Zod, Brainiac, Darkseid, Doomsday, Mxy and Metallo in terms of how the audience and fans would look at them I'd wager.

Aslong as the casting is good then I agree but the Elite themselves would not be enough of a draw IMO. I can think of a few British actors who could nail Manchester Black like Christopher Eccleston or David Morrissey but they aren't really household names. Maybe they could get Tom Hardy to do it

 

[BH/HHH]

I still prefer Kingdom Come. Has the same message as the the arc with the Elite, but it's better.

And I want to see old Superman as a farmer and Diana trying to convince Clark to come out of retirement. The "he's back" feeling you get from KC is much more inspiring than Miller's bat**** crazy Bruce Wayne coming out of retirement in TDKR.

That's my favourite graphic novel of all time but it's to early for that story. The message is quite similar now you mention it. I still hope one day they animate it.

 

[Manofplastic]

he looks like that guy from that toilet-cleaner material, what's it called, muscle? t:

 

[AnneFan]

I still prefer Kingdom Come. Has the same message as the the arc with the Elite, but it's better.

And I want to see old Superman as a farmer and Diana trying to convince Clark to come out of retirement. The "he's back" feeling you get from KC is much more inspiring than Miller's bat**** crazy Bruce Wayne coming out of retirement in TDKR.

Kingdom Come is good but I actually prefer the Elite story as a contained one shot. It's the same message but without Supes retiring for a decade. Undeterred, he keeps fighting for his ideals and makes his point sooner. And as an example, All Star Superman was told he was going to die but accomplished wonders in the time he had left. But that said, I'm not against Superman retiring in stories. But possibly think it works for Batman more effectively given his melancholy, introspective moods.

 

[ernesth100]

Anyone wonder how Superman can fight Doomsday with his powers alongside Batman if Bats has Kryptonite?

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Anyone wonder how Superman can fight Doomsday with his powers alongside Batman if Bats has Kryptonite?

No humor intended... Very carefully.

I assume Bats has the K inside of things that will deliver the K as part of an explosive payload of some type (thus the grenade launcher) but which shield Bruce from the radiation. Remember, Kryptonite kills Superman fast but it's still radioactive and thus, will kill human beings, just slower, BatGod or not.

 

[Jaxon]

Anyone wonder how Superman can fight Doomsday with his powers alongside Batman if Bats has Kryptonite?

Heat vision at a distance, no need for anything else.

 

[egg]

Heat vision at a distance, no need for anything else.

superman is going to keep blowing doomsday away with his wind breath until doomsday falls off a cliff.

 

[Boy Scout]

Honestly, adding the Elite to the DCEU would go a long way to bolster the Superman Rogues Gallery. Getting tapped for a live action appearance for CBM characters usually heightens their general visibility but also enhances their position in the mythology in general, given the mass media effect.

The Elite in live action would put them into the tier of Lex, Zod, Brainiac, Darkseid, Doomsday, Mxy and Metallo in terms of how the audience and fans would look at them I'd wager.

I couldn't agree more.

I love Superman, but I think his Rogues Gallery (in every medium) could use an upgrade. It doesn't help that some of his best villains double as antagonists for the Justice League as a whole.

 

[flickchick85]

I would love to see The Elite in a live-action Supes film. But first I need Brainiac.

 

[AnneFan]

Brainiac is a character so good I'd be crushed if they fumbled him in live action.

 

[Clark-Kent]

Brainiac is a character so good I'd be crushed if they fumbled him in live action.

I hope they do the computer AI version to introduce him before ever seeing physical body version

 

[rogbngp]

Did anyone post this yet? Batman V Superman: Henry Cavill Reflects on Man of Steel Criticisms. It's from a month ago, but it's a pretty good read. Here is the text:

Years after the idea of a Batman V Superman movie was teased in I Am Legend, Dawn of Justice is almost here. The Face-off/team-up maintains a high spot among 2016’s most anticipated films – thanks to the titular heroes sharing the big screen for the first time, ever, in a live-action blockbuster movie. When rumors began to surface in 2013 that Warner Bros. intended to follow-up Man of Steel, and jump-start their DC movie universe, with a battle between Batman and Superman, most fans were reluctant to get excited – unconvinced the studio would actually be ambitious enough, let alone successful in their effort, to bring the heroes together in a single film so quickly.

However, as we’ve learned more about Batman V Superman, it’s become increasingly clear that Dawn of Justice is a response to the world established in Man of Steel – a place where a super-powered alien saved the day but, at the same time, was the very reason so many innocent lives were lost. Director Zack Snyder has been clear that a Batman V Superman team-up wasn’t always the plan for his Man of Steel sequel; yet, as the filmmakers began exploring ideas, Dawn of Justice became the most logical (and exciting) option to pursue. Fans weren’t the only ones relieved to hear that Batman V Superman would pay-off the world-changing devastation seen in Man of Steel – as Superman himself, Henry Cavill, promises the upcoming film will shed new light on “issues” that viewers might have with his Kryptonian hero.

Speaking with Cineplex, Cavill reflected on the “mixed” response to Man of Steel (read our Man of Steel review), suggesting that Batman V Superman will, as we’ve heard before, continue the story established in Zack Snyder’s divisive 2013 film – taking full ownership of the established story:

“The reception of my first Superman movie, from what I’ve read, was fairly mixed. Everyone I’ve spoken to enjoyed the movie, but [not] unlike if you’re going to meet a stranger in the street, they’re not going to badmouth you to your face. There’s no intentional move, I don’t think, in Batman V Superman to address any issues that people had with Man of Steel. It’s just a continuation of that storyline and they continue to develop that world and introduce new characters.”

Cavill brings a level head to what has become a heated debate – given that fans spent the last two years debating if Superman was complicit in the destruction of Metropolis (as well as Smallville) and/or whether the extraterrestrial hero should have killed Zod. Instead of debating those “issues” individually, Cavill focuses on the fact that questions of superhero moral responsibility won’t be ignored in Dawn of Justice – which, as the actor asserts, is a continuation of the established world and plot, explored through the introduction of new characters who, like the audience, might not approve of Kal-El’s choices thus far.

Since the DC Movie Universe is using Batman V Superman, and Man of Steel before it, as a launching pad, cynics might argue that Cavill is being naive to think that Dawn of Justice wasn’t an “intentional move” to both address Man of Steel criticism and find a means to introduce a host of key Justice League characters; yet, it’s hard to judge until viewers have seen the final product. It is easy to view Batman V Superman as a hasty attempt to catch up with the mega-successful Marvel Cinematic Universe but, as indicated, Snyder and other Warner Bros. executives have previously claimed the Dawn of Justice storyline is a natural blending of the Man of Steel story and long-running DC comic mythology – specifically the complicated partnership (and competing ideologies) between Superman and Batman.

The idea of the Dark Knight fighting the Man of Steel could sound like a marketing gimmick to some but, just like Captain America and Iron Man have been forced to work-out their disagreements on the battlefield before, Batman has always been weary of Superman’s power – fearful of the destruction Kal-El could unleash should he ever turn against humanity. To that end, the Dawn of Justice story is primed to continue the Man of Steel story (without sweeping its challenging moments under the rug) as well as bring an authentic dynamic between Batman and Superman (not to mention Wonder Woman) for the big screen.

Cavill says as much in the second part of his interview when he suggests that some moviegoers believe superhero movies are just “pop culture” fluff; instead, the actor maintains that comic book adaptations are an opportunity to explore human drama through heightened “vehicles”:

“I think maybe people may look down on some popular-culture stuff, but they’re actually very complicated and interesting characters. Superman especially, he’s just wonderfully rich and one of those things, for me, that’s just enjoyable to play. There’s so far you can go with it; if you really, really delve deep into the character, there’s so much you can do. It’s just about exploring it within the vehicles and finding what you want to do. He’s going to have some very interesting character development in this one.”

How exactly Superman will develop during the Dawn of Justice story should be especially interesting – given that much of the marketing appears to revolve around Batman’s distrust of Superman and a general turn toward cruel vigilantism. Conversely, much of the Batman V Superman marketing appears to show the Man of Steel holding back (example: “Stay down. If I wanted it, you’d be dead already.“), so what does the Kryptonian need to learn this round?

We know that Superman has been policing the world, a fact that initially gives Batman reason to fear Kal-El will become a fascist oppressor – and a threat to individual freedom. It’s too early to tell, especially considering how little context is offered in the film’s trailers, but it’s sounding as though Superman’s arc will challenge the Kryptonian to learn when he needs to intervene (read: when Kryptonian-hybrid monsters are running amok) and when to let humanity solve their own conflicts.

 

[BH/HHH]

I actually don't think Superman'a rogues gallery is as bad as it's made out to be, look at what Superman the Animated Series did with many of his rogues. Sure Brainiac was developed into something different from his comic counterpart but many people (myself included) think that was for the better.

Also lets not forget that show created Livewire who has broken into the comics and other mediums (Smallville/Supergirl). Look at his rogues gallery other than the two I mentioned aswell as Zod, Faora & Doomsday (not just in STAS and BvS): Mettallo, Parasite, Bizarro, Mongul, Toyman, The Eradicator etc. There are many villains they can use for a Supes solo film. Although I do agree they could do with maybe tweaking one or two (but even that's happened for the Batman and Spider-Man films yet they're the ones considered to have THE best rogues galleries). There are many villains they could use effectively in a Supes solo.

Heck maybe they can use an Elite or someone else obscure within his rogues gallery and make them into credible and popular villains therefore enhancing his rogues gallery. But from where I stand right now he has a good rogues gallery as it is.

 

[spiderral]

Is it just me or can you see Henry Cavill's chest hair trying to scramble its way out of the top of Superman's suit:

 

[Gamma Goliath]

It was well visible in MoS as well.

 

[spiderral]

Really?! I need to Google this!

**Edit: I found a pretty good example, with wilder chest hair than in BvS. You need to open the image in a new tab, however, to see it properly.

Spoiler

 

[souperman]

...they just refuse to do a little super-MANscaping...

 

[Astro13Zombie]

I like the chest hair.
Can't explain it
But I do

 

[Bren]

The slightly calmer yet still visible chest hair symbolises Superman's growing maturity and control, while still maintaining his masculinity, and negatively, an always-possible devolution to a wilder, more dangerous character.

Batman's real distrust only started when he saw the chest hair. "If he genuinely wanted to be a pure force for good, he would have shaved.it.off!" (and then we'd get a version of his speech that deep down, he himself is not a good guy).

*cough*