BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - Part 22

[Astro13Zombie]

 

[Tobias]

Rogues gallery is deep but not broad for Supes. If that makes sense.

Metallo would be perfect. An adapted Metallo. A product of Cadmus. Not reliant totally on K. Maybe a hyper-human who can use sound waves to dis-orient Superman and attack him at a nano-level.

Parasite would be a potential great villain.

Or how about a new villain altogether? Grow the rogues gallery.

 

[Tobias]

Superman Barbie images just released.

I think Bats Barbie comes closest to capturing Affleck's facial image. WW Barbie does not do a good job of capturing Gadot. Supes Barbie is in between in capturing the likeness.

 

[BH/HHH]

Well all options are open, often a great performance by someone as a character can be the thing that makes that character break out. So they could take someone obscure or not that well liked and make them into a truly great villain.

As you said even a new villain could be created and that could be a truly wonderful thing, look at Harley Quinn and Livewire. Both created on the animated shows yet were so good they broke into the comic books and into live action.

 

[Tobias]

Well all options are open, often a great performance by someone as a character can be the thing that makes that character break out. So they could take someone obscure or not that well liked and make them into a truly great villain.

As you said even a new villain could be created and that could be a truly wonderful thing, look at Harley Quinn and Livewire. Both created on the animated shows yet were so good they broke into the comic books and into live action.

ITA.

I think they could do a Jokerish version of Toyman and turn Toyman is a major rogue.

There is Lobo too.

Superman is not impossibly hard to write, but not everyone can write Superman. That has been the problem IMO in recent years.

 

[BH/HHH]

ITA.

I think they could do a Jokerish version of Toyman and turn Toyman is a major rogue.

There is Lobo too.

Superman is not impossibly hard to write, but not everyone can write Superman. That has been the problem IMO in recent years.

ITA?

They could just do the STAS version of Toyman he was creepy as hell, maybe give us a slight updated version of that.

Lobo is someone I really think would be great in a MOS2, using him could also set him up for his own solo film. So you kill two birds with one stone, remember they're setting up a DCEU here so this way they create more branches for the tree. I still love the idea of Mongul sending Lobo to Earth to get Superman on Earth (kind of like the Main Man episode of STAS) but of course when Mongul gets Superman he's tricking Lobo and wants him to to fight on his War World aswell.

 

[Tobias]

ITA?

They could just do the STAS version of Toyman he was creepy as hell, maybe give us a slight updated version of that.

Lobo is someone I really think would be great in a MOS2, using him could also set him up for his own solo film. So you kill two birds with one stone, remember they're setting up a DCEU here so this way they create more branches for the tree. I still love the idea of Mongul sending Lobo to Earth to get Superman on Earth (kind of like the Main Man episode of STAS) but of course when Mongul gets Superman he's tricking Lobo and wants him to to fight on his War World aswell.

Agree.

The DCEU has become Bat-centric per rumors but there are lots of Superman roots that support the Bat-tree.

Parasite could be adapted nicely.

Toyman as I said could be great - evolve in the film from just a lowly villain who uses toys to a deadly villain who uses deadly toys.

Dr. Hamilton gone rogue? Another potential adaption.

The material is there - just waiting to be used.

 

[Boy Scout]

I don't really see Toyman as a serious threat. I mean, he can be creepy I guess, but he'd make more sense as a side villain.

 

[Tobias]

I don't really see Toyman as a serious threat. I mean, he can be creepy I guess, but he'd make more sense as a side villain.

As was Joker at one time. Its the potential to grow some of these secondary Superman villains that I hope WB pursues if they do another standalone.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Agree.

The DCEU has become Bat-centric per rumors but there are lots of Superman roots that support the Bat-tree.

Parasite could be adapted nicely.

Toyman as I said could be great - evolve in the film from just a lowly villain who uses toys to a deadly villain who uses deadly toys.

Dr. Hamilton gone rogue? Another potential adaption.

The material is there - just waiting to be used.

It's become, without any films other than MOS being released and a slate that features other characters "Bat-centric" based on... What?

 

[Boy Scout]

As was Joker at one time. Its the potential to grow some of these secondary Superman villains that I hope WB pursues if they do another standalone.

The difference being that Joker makes sense as a primary antagonist to Batman on account of them both being ordinary humans.

Toyman is a (sometimes) pedophile with a weird obsession with toys. Superman is Hercules on crack.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Toyman, Prankster, Terra-Man... If they never did an adaptation of these characters I would not bat an eyelash.

Now Parasite, Metallo, Mongul, Mxy? They I think have great potential.

 

[BH/HHH]

Agree.

The DCEU has become Bat-centric per rumors but there are lots of Superman roots that support the Bat-tree.

Parasite could be adapted nicely.

Toyman as I said could be great - evolve in the film from just a lowly villain who uses toys to a deadly villain who uses deadly toys.

Dr. Hamilton gone rogue? Another potential adaption.

The material is there - just waiting to be used.

I don't see how it's become Batcentric, the first film was MOS which was all about Superman, the villains in MOS2 are Lex Luthor and Doosmday both Superman villains and even though Batman is in it the film very much centres in Superman. Suicide Squad has more Batman villains of course but it's also got Boomerang whose a Flash villain.

Next after that is Wonder Woman, then JL which sounds like Darkseid will be the villain and he's a Superman centric character too.

I don't really see Toyman as a serious threat. I mean, he can be creepy I guess, but he'd make more sense as a side villain.

I agree, he'd be a great side villain or an opening villain but he can't be THE big bad.

It's become, without any films other than MOS being released and a slate that features other characters "Bat-centric" based on... What?

It's not as I said above

Toyman, Prankster, Terra-Man... If they never did an adaptation of these characters I would not bat an eyelash.

Now Parasite, Metallo, Mongul, Mxy? They I think have great potential.

Yeah although I would love the Toyman as a side villain.

Mxy though I never want to see in live action.

 

[Tobias]

Toyman, Prankster, Terra-Man... If they never did an adaptation of these characters I would not bat an eyelash.

Now Parasite, Metallo, Mongul, Mxy? They I think have great potential.

Its the possibilities! With Toyman for sure. Its not what cannot be done but what maybe can be done.

 

[Gamma Goliath]

Im not entirely sure if i could take mxy on the big screen seriously. Toyman can stay on supergirl for all i care. But parasite, metallo, mongul, and the elite all have huge big screen potential.

 

[Boy Scout]

Its the possibilities! With Toyman for sure. Its not what cannot be done but what maybe can be done.

You'd have to change Toyman to the point of being in recognizable for him to be a major threat. I'm all for that, so long as it's done well, but if you have to completely reinvent a character to justify their status as primary antagonist, that should tell you something.

 

[Tobias]

You'd have to change Toyman to the point of being in recognizable for him to be a major threat. I'm all for that, so long as it's done well, but if you have to completely reinvent a character to justify their status as primary antagonist, that should tell you something.

Isn't that what they did with Joker? Reinvent the character. Check out YouTube for the Batman TV series Joker.

 

[BH/HHH]

Isn't that what they did with Joker? Reinvent the character. Check out YouTube for the Batman TV series Joker.

He was still a major villain though, the Joker has never been a secondary villain, Toyman is a secondary villain, he's lower tier. I think he'd be great in a Scarecrow Batman Bgeins type arc but he couldn't carry a whole film as a big villain.

 

[Tobias]

Think guys and gals.

A multiverse Superman film.

"Our" Superman - but wait!

Another world, Darkside overseeing all this, in which Superman has become jaded. Killed Luthor. Dissed the suit. Denying all that could have been after having killed. A World w/o Superman.

Yet there is another world. Superman as Lord/dictator. Killing with impunity anyone who opposes him. And Lois and Lex part of the underground opposing him. Superman as dictator/God.

And finally "our" Superman is thrust into this mix.

This is not rocket science.

It's been done already. 26 years ago. On TV none the less.

If Cavill delivers and WB moves forward with another Superman film - the stories are out there. Great stories to adapt. Roads Not Taken is at the top of my list.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Adapting a Superboy TV story?

 

[Baneis8feettall]

There can be only handful of movies with these massive budget productions. I think Superman's best villians are enough to make 3-5 movies.

 

[sportjames23]

Toyman, Prankster, Terra-Man... If they never did an adaptation of these characters I would not bat an eyelash.

Now Parasite, Metallo, Mongul, Mxy? They I think have great potential.

Co-sign.

 

[elgaz]

It's like all superheroes really. They have the A-list villains (as I like to call them) - in Superman's case that's Lex Luthor, Brainiac, Doomsday, Metallo and Zod. Maybe Bizarro too. Each one is quite different from the other and need a different kind of strategy to be defeated. Then you've got the B-list, which would probably be Toyman, Prankster, Mister Mxyzptlk, Intergang, etc.

When you only have - realistically - a shot at maybe 3 movies, 4 if you're lucky, you just gotta stick with the A-listers for the main story and maybe draft in a B-lister for a subplot if it's required. Personally the notion of a Superman film with someone like Toyman as the main villain doesn't really appeal to me hugely. There's a reason the A-list villains have become iconic and more popular than their other brethren lower down the chain, and that's because they strike more of a note with fans and represent stronger threats to Superman - this should be reflected when plotting the movies too.

Darkseid probably represents the ultimate villain, and it will take the entire Justice League to take him down. I know he's been bested the odd time personally in the comics by Superman alone, but I'd like the film version to be so powerful that it takes the combined might of Superman, Flash, Wonder Woman, Cyborg and so on to defeat him. That will help sell the unity of the team.

 

[BH/HHH]

Mongul should be on your list as A list and I honestly think Parasite belongs on the A list or a list in between A & B. I think he could definitely carry the movie as the main threat. For me the good thing about Superman's villains is there is always Lex Luthor either directly involved in creating them or at least lurking in the background. That for me means you can push a different villain who may not necessarily be classed as A-list alongside Lex.

Although I do agree Toyman is not even right for that role, he would best serve as an opening villain or more in the Scarecrow Batman Begins type role.

As a Superman fan it might be surprising but I've never like Mxy all that much. If he were the villain in a movie I think it would really worry me. He only works in comics and cartoons.

I do feel though with a Lex Luthor involved you could use a villain the Kryptonite Man or someone like that for a film. But only as a support to Lex or maybe even a Morgan Edge.

 

[elgaz]

Mongul should be on your list as A list and I honestly think Parasite belongs on the A list or a list in between A & B. I think he could definitely carry the movie as the main threat. For me the good thing about Superman's villains is there is always Lex Luthor either directly involved in creating them or at least lurking in the background. That for me means you can push a different villain who may not necessarily be classed as A-list alongside Lex.

Although I do agree Toyman is not even right for that role, he would best serve as an opening villain or more in the Scarecrow Batman Begins type role.

As a Superman fan it might be surprising but I've never like Mxy all that much. If he were the villain in a movie I think it would really worry me. He only works in comics and cartoons.

I do feel though with a Lex Luthor involved you could use a villain the Kryptonite Man or someone like that for a film. But only as a support to Lex or maybe even a Morgan Edge.

Forgot about Mongul, you're right.

I agree about Morgan Edge too. He could fulfil a role as Lex's link to the criminal underworld in a similar way to how Ra's Al Ghul employed Falcone in Batman Begins, or how Maroni was used in TDK.