BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - Part 22

[matt47]

The new trailer is Batman/Bruce heavy but I still felt Superman was important and I also thought he was a badass here. That push and grenade catching was just as awesome to me as Batman kicking criminal ass.

And I never get tired of that shot of Superman in slow mo before he kicks the batmobile. It says a thousand words as a photo does and all are very positive words.

Cavill was Superman here as much as Affleck was Batman

Exactly. You couldn't do the trailer without Superman.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I thought Superman came off as totally badass in the trailer as well. There were some great moments.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

As cool as the Batman fight was, the rest of the spectacle that the trailer was selling is DEPENDENT on Superman.

 

[BH/HHH]

The new trailer is Batman/Bruce heavy but I still felt Superman was important and I also thought he was a badass here. That push and grenade catching was just as awesome to me as Batman kicking criminal ass.

And I never get tired of that shot of Superman in slow mo before he kicks the batmobile. It says a thousand words as a photo does and all are very positive words.

Cavill was Superman here as much as Affleck was Batman

I thought Superman came off as totally badass in the trailer as well. There were some great moments.

As cool as the Batman fight was, the rest of the spectacle that the trailer was selling is DEPENDENT on Superman.

definitely, for me what Snyder has shown us with the trailers, sneak peeks etc that this Superman could destroy Batman in a heartbeat if he wanted to. But with that he's also showing us why he is Superman, he gives Batman a little push and I imagine the punch he throws at Batman he probably is just intending to knock him out. He isn't throwing it at full speed (Infact I think he may already be weakened at that point but still has abit of speed and strength).

But aside from that I can understand that fear some have, I think that stems more from Superman's treatment in the Dark Knight Returns than it actually has here or any of the trailers. If you actually watch the trailers you can see it's all centred on Superman, the supporting characters and the villains are all from Superman's world. The imagery we're seeing is superb aswell and I feel people are actually more bothered about a lack of dialogue than actual Superman footage. Any fears I have are gone.

 

[KillerWolf]

Well a signal in the sky is dated too. It makes more sense for Gordan to have some super encrypted mode of communication with Batman... But I'd scream bloody murder if they changed it. It's part of the visual iconography.

While I'd argue that batsignal is not just the visual iconography, but makes sense in-universe for GCPD to use it to remind people of Batman's presence, I can see your point.

The shirt rip is iconic. It plays back to hope. And to me personally it means that there's a potential "Superman" under everyone. No joke, as a toddler I tried to dress up as CK more than I did Supes.

Hmm... never thought of this before... it reminds me of:

"That hope is the fundamental belief the potential of every person to be a force for good."

While it's not something I believe in, I can appreciate the symbolism.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

And the symbolism is part of the fantasy wish fulfillment of Supes. That while we all play roles in our everyday life, often that role might even be under appreciated or we may feel invisible in the eyes of the greater world. The Clark/Superman dynamic for the reader is saying, "No... You aren't faceless. You matter. If people only knew the real you they would see how amazing you are. You may be a normal person but you have unknown greatness inside of you."

 

[KillerWolf]

And the symbolism is part of the fantasy wish fulfillment of Supes. That while we all play roles in our everyday life, often that role might even be under appreciated or we may feel invisible in the eyes of the greater world. The Clark/Superman dynamic for the reader is saying, "No... You aren't faceless. You matter. If people only knew the real you they would see how amazing you are. You may be a normal person but you have unknown greatness inside of you."

I've known for quite some time that Superman is a character that is ingrained in symbolism and I've read quite a bit about the dichotomy of Clark Kent/Superman and its meaning, but I don't think it was ever so nicely put. It is a great message that comes across from that, and, again, I never looked at the shirt rip this way, but I can get on board with this.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

I've known for quite some time that Superman is a character that is ingrained in symbolism and I've read quite a bit about the dichotomy of Clark Kent/Superman and its meaning, but I don't think it was ever so nicely put. It is a great message that comes across from that, and, again, I never looked at the shirt rip this way, but I can get on board with this.

True story, maybe the second time I went to see MOS in the theater when Clark is at the cemetery site talking to Ma and we get the idea that he's going to work at the Planet and become a reporter and give us the full mild mannered regalia, some meat head in the audience (some overgrown fanboy I am sure) let out with a loud, "oh come on!! They are really going with the dumb secret ID" and I mean he was loud... And obviously showing a lack of understanding of the character.

Silly as the simple glasses disguise may be for some, the guise of "Daily Planet Clark" is essential to the Superman myth.

 

[KillerWolf]

What makes that reaction even more stupid is the fact that scene explained why it makes sense for the character to be a reporter. Odd that anyone would expect them to ditch such a big part of the character.

 

[titansupes]

And the symbolism is part of the fantasy wish fulfillment of Supes. That while we all play roles in our everyday life, often that role might even be under appreciated or we may feel invisible in the eyes of the greater world. The Clark/Superman dynamic for the reader is saying, "No... You aren't faceless. You matter. If people only knew the real you they would see how amazing you are. You may be a normal person but you have unknown greatness inside of you."

Silly as the simple glasses disguise may be for some, the guise of "Daily Planet Clark" is essential to the Superman myth.

Exactly, well said. This all goes straight to the point of the character, as designed by the immigrant, bullied nerdy teenagers that created him.

It's common knowledge that Siegel was the one who invented Lois Lane, as well as the love triangle between Superman, Lois, and Clark. Siegel once said, "I had crushes on several attractive girls who either didn't know I existed or didn't care I existed. So it occurred to me: What if I was really terrific? What if I had something special going for me, like jumping over buildings or throwing cars around or something like that?... The heroine, who I figured would be some kind of girl reporter, would think he was some kind of worm; yet she would be crazy about this Superman character who could do all sorts of fabulous things. In fact, she was real wild about him, and a big inside joke was that the fellow she was crazy about was also the fellow whom she loathed."

http://www.supermanhomepage.com/comics/comics.php?topic=articles/canadian-way

 

[BH/HHH]

True story, maybe the second time I went to see MOS in the theater when Clark is at the cemetery site talking to Ma and we get the idea that he's going to work at the Planet and become a reporter and give us the full mild mannered regalia, some meat head in the audience (some overgrown fanboy I am sure) let out with a loud, "oh come on!! They are really going with the dumb secret ID" and I mean he was loud... And obviously showing a lack of understanding of the character.

Silly as the simple glasses disguise may be for some, the guise of "Daily Planet Clark" is essential to the Superman myth.

You know that's interesting cause I had a similar experience with a guy at work. He told me he loved MOS until the end. I immediately thought here we go he's gonna moan about the action but no he meant the very end with the glasses. He said to me "I thought they weren't going to move on from that". I just said its part of the character you can't just get rid of it. He wouldn't have it though so in the end I left him to it. You're right it's completely essential, if someone isn't keen on doing it then they should work on another characater cause that's who Superman is.

 

[AnneFan]

And the symbolism is part of the fantasy wish fulfillment of Supes. That while we all play roles in our everyday life, often that role might even be under appreciated or we may feel invisible in the eyes of the greater world. The Clark/Superman dynamic for the reader is saying, "No... You aren't faceless. You matter. If people only knew the real you they would see how amazing you are. You may be a normal person but you have unknown greatness inside of you."

Very well said KRYPTON.

 

[superboy13]

And the symbolism is part of the fantasy wish fulfillment of Supes. That while we all play roles in our everyday life, often that role might even be under appreciated or we may feel invisible in the eyes of the greater world. The Clark/Superman dynamic for the reader is saying, "No... You aren't faceless. You matter. If people only knew the real you they would see how amazing you are. You may be a normal person but you have unknown greatness inside of you."

Grant Morrison said it best: "That “S” is the radiant emblem of divinity we reveal when we rip off our stuffy shirts, our social masks, our neuroses, our constructed selves, and become who we truly are."

The shirt rip is not only a cool visual moment, it's a statement. I can't picture a full-on Superman movie without it.

 

[Fallen Angel]

This shot (the interior) looks like the place Supes snapped Zod's neck the train station. Maybe Supes went their to reminisce or had a nightmare?

 

[superboy13]

This shot (the interior) looks like the place Supes snapped Zod's neck the train station. Maybe Supes went their to reminisce or had a nightmare?

Given the spitcurl, I'm thinking it's after his fight with Batman.

 

[ernesth100]

Yeah, from the look of it. I'd say Superman heard Lois in danger. Stopped foghting Batman and went to save her but didnt get there in time to stop Doomsday from being unleashed. Now he's making either looking like that because he was worried abput Lois or doesnt want to have to kill again.

 

[superboy13]

Yeah, from the look of it. I'd say Superman heard Lois in danger. Stopped foghting Batman and went to save her but didnt get there in time to stop Doomsday from being unleashed. Now he's making either looking like that because he was worried abput Lois or doesnt want to have to kill again.

So...

 

[Fallen Angel]

So...

That's right before he went to go and fight Doomsday in the 'Death of Superman'.

 

[superboy13]

That's right before he went to go and fight Doomsday in the 'Death of Superman'.

I know. That's why I posted it.

 

[Fallen Angel]

I know. That's why I posted it.

I know you would've known i I gave you a thumb's up. It's for the lesser's who have no idea.

 

[BH/HHH]

This shot (the interior) looks like the place Supes snapped Zod's neck the train station. Maybe Supes went their to reminisce or had a nightmare?

I think that's definitely after the fight with Batman. I wonder if it ends with Superman having Batman in a position to kill him and Lois arrives in time to talk him down or Supes has already not killed Bats, Bats is down and Lois arrives to comfort him. Maybe this is where Batman realises Superman isn't the enemy.

 

[blumatic]

This shot (the interior) looks like the place Supes snapped Zod's neck the train station. Maybe Supes went their to reminisce or had a nightmare?

This may be a pivotal part that will turn people perception on Snyder's Superman. Heroes struggle. They go through pain. Then they over come.

 

[superboy13]

I know you would've known i I gave you a thumb's up. It's for the lesser's who have no idea.

My bad, then. But who the hell hasn't read The Death of Superman in a Superman forum?! t:

I think that's definitely after the fight with Batman. I wonder if it ends with Superman having Batman in a position to kill him and Lois arrives in time to talk him down or Supes has already not killed Bats, Bats is down and Lois arrives to comfort him. Maybe this is where Batman realises Superman isn't the enemy.

No way. No freakin' way.

 

[Boy Scout]

Here's the thing... Is such a detail being, well, detailed or not in the film actually of any consequence to anyone's actual enjoyment or the film or speak to good or bad film making techniques or results?

Yes, actually.

This is a more grounded world. There are more than a few extraordinary elements and people, but we've been lead to believe the normal, average, everyday stuff works the same way as it does in our world. In our world, a man most likely wouldn't be able to get away with wear Superman's suit under a suit and tie. Ignoring the internal inconsistency of the film to justify a cool moment is technically bad filmmaking, but would not, for me, be such a huge violation that it'd ruin the film.

 

[Fallen Angel]

My bad, then. But who the hell hasn't read The Death of Superman in a Superman forum?! t:

There's guy on here who claims to be a Superman fan and he had no idea one of the most iconic Superman panels in history was from All Star Superman.