BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[Light]

This is what I don't understand, the thrill is in seeing Superman use these enormous powers.

I don't remember watching Superman cartoons as a kid and thinking, "Hey this guy is too strong! This is terrible!"

I personally love an all powerful Superman, it makes him that more appealing when he humbles himself and try's to aid humanity through negotiations as opposed to taking over and forcing everyone to do as he wills, even though he has the power to do so. Not to mention behind in awe when he performs great feats of wonder.

 

[Rev]

Synder had it's chance!

In all fairness, while Snyder does shoulder some of the blame for this negative reception, he should not be the only one. When Superman Returns didn't resonate with the fans the Studio and the producers started throwing around the terms of Superman being an angry god and that they wanted to go dark like the Nolan films as the character would allow. I believe that Superman is a character that can go to dark places but he himself should be the light in that darkness. A real beacon of hope and an inspiration for others to follow. Superman on screen has had its fair share of problems even before Snyder. Superman the movie probably presented the world with the most earnest and optimistic Superman but even that Superman didn't do everything right. The moment we as fans wanted a more relatable Superman was the moment the character started losing his way. The character has been rebooted in the comics over the course of his history due to the changes in society and how we as readers viewed him. Some thought he was irrelevant and didn't line up with the times. I don't envy DC or WB's when it comes to presenting Superman on screen or in the printed page. Whatever they do will annoy one group and satisfy another. Perhaps the answer lies in presenting a character that does what he does not because he wants the accolades of the world but he does the job because no one else can. Superman has a genuine love for humanity and his adopted planet and it would be nice to see this more. I do think given the right script Henry Cavill can and will do a fantastic job in bringing Superman to the big screen for this generation. We have only seen little glimpses of his potential.

 

[Light]

It's a shame Cavill two movies in has not had his moment like this[YT]http://youtu.be/BIaF0QKtY0c[/YT]

The greatest to ever do it.

 

[IncognitoWalrus]

I don't know what it's so hard to make Superman relatable for WB.

One idea that's been in my head is just Lois lounging on the couch, flipping through channels. Superman flies in and disappears into the bedroom. He zips out in some sweats and grabs a bag of chips and plops down next to Lois and lies with his head on her lap.

Lois: Busy day?
Clark: It always is.
Lois: *grabs her mug of coffee* You mind?

Clark gently heats it up with his heat vision, and she takes a sip. They go back to watching TV.

Not hard, WB. Give Cavill and Adams some small human moments. It's the easiest way to convey that Superman is still the everyman, working class hero.

 

[Light]

I don't know what it's so hard to make Superman relatable for WB.

One idea that's been in my head is just Lois lounging on the couch, flipping through channels. Superman flies in and disappears into the bedroom. He zips out in some sweats and grabs a bag of chips and plops down next to Lois and lies with his head on her lap.

Lois: Busy day?
Clark: It always is.
Lois: *grabs her mug of coffee* You mind?

Clark gently heats it up with his heat vision, and she takes a sip. They go back to watching TV.

Not hard, WB. Give Cavill and Adams some small human moments. It's the easiest way to convey that Superman is still the everyman, working class hero.

Fun and human moments yes yes yes, also show Supes doing day to day things with his abilities those moments are fun.

 

[Rev]

I don't know what it's so hard to make Superman relatable for WB.

One idea that's been in my head is just Lois lounging on the couch, flipping through channels. Superman flies in and disappears into the bedroom. He zips out in some sweats and grabs a bag of chips and plops down next to Lois and lies with his head on her lap.

Lois: Busy day?
Clark: It always is.
Lois: *grabs her mug of coffee* You mind?

Clark gently heats it up with his heat vision, and she takes a sip. They go back to watching TV.


Not hard, WB. Give Cavill and Adams some small human moments. It's the easiest way to convey that Superman is still the everyman, working class hero.

I agree and would like to know Clark's thoughts on the world viewing him as a god. I think given the chance, he would say that he is just a man trying to do the right thing. The scene with him and Lois in the bath showed Superman as more human but in a positive way.

 

[RLAAMJR.]

Henry is really handsome.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

"Hey this guy is too strong! This is terrible!"

I imagine this being said by Snyder during the MOS2 development meetings

 

[Golgo-13]

The court room scene was such a wasted opportunity for us to get some indepth character moments for Supes..but they dropped the ball.

 

[Rev]

The court room scene was such a wasted opportunity for us to get some indepth character moments for Supes..but they dropped the ball.

Maybe but weren't there stills that showed Henry standing in front of a bunch of microphones? Could be some of the things that ended up on the cutting room floor.

 

[Andreth]

I don't know what it's so hard to make Superman relatable for WB.

One idea that's been in my head is just Lois lounging on the couch, flipping through channels. Superman flies in and disappears into the bedroom. He zips out in some sweats and grabs a bag of chips and plops down next to Lois and lies with his head on her lap.

Lois: Busy day?
Clark: It always is.
Lois: *grabs her mug of coffee* You mind?

Clark gently heats it up with his heat vision, and she takes a sip. They go back to watching TV.

Not hard, WB. Give Cavill and Adams some small human moments. It's the easiest way to convey that Superman is still the everyman, working class hero.

Perfect.

I'm not interested in 3 films to finally get the character people paid their money to see in the first two films. This "arc" wasn't planned anyway, it was all redone when they threw batman in there

yeah

see? this is what I don't get, I don't know if Snyder films all the good stuff and then cuts it, if Henry is feeling they're taking Superman in a bad direction why won't he say it? he seems someone close to Snyder, I feel he really gets and loves Superman and these are not just words he threw in an interview. Maybe it's hard to tell what the final product will be while filming.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Well, there's only so much an actor can do. He can change a line here and there but he can't rewrite the script. I'm sure he also feels indebted to Snyder for casting him in the first place, so it's not like he's just going to say to him outright, "Zack, you're an idiot. Superman would never do that."

 

[Predator jp]

One idea that's been in my head is just Lois lounging on the couch, flipping through channels. Superman flies in and disappears into the bedroom. He zips out in some sweats and grabs a bag of chips and plops down next to Lois and lies with his head on her lap.

Lois: Busy day?
Clark: It always is.
Lois: *grabs her mug of coffee* You mind?

Clark gently heats it up with his heat vision, and she takes a sip. They go back to watching TV.

just reading this put smile on my face.
it's way better than bathtub scene.

 

[Jaxon]

The court room scene was such a wasted opportunity for us to get some indepth character moments for Supes..but they dropped the ball.

If Supes speaks at the hearing it dilutes our acceptance of Batman going to kill him. Imagine Superman saying "i just want to help people and not get involved in world politics". How do you then justify Batman going to war with him. Answer is you can't.
Plus, Lex can't afford to have him talk and have people on Superman's side when his plot is to increase the mistrust.

 

[Jaxon]

just reading this put smile on my face.
it's way better than bathtub scene.

No thanks that's for Marvel movies where there's no stakes, like crazy robot captures Widow and let's her live and also let's her have a communication device. That is crap.

 

[flickchick85]

I don't know what it's so hard to make Superman relatable for WB.

One idea that's been in my head is just Lois lounging on the couch, flipping through channels. Superman flies in and disappears into the bedroom. He zips out in some sweats and grabs a bag of chips and plops down next to Lois and lies with his head on her lap.

Lois: Busy day?
Clark: It always is.
Lois: *grabs her mug of coffee* You mind?

Clark gently heats it up with his heat vision, and she takes a sip. They go back to watching TV.

Not hard, WB. Give Cavill and Adams some small human moments. It's the easiest way to convey that Superman is still the everyman, working class hero.

Aw, I like it.

 

[flickchick85]

No thanks that's for Marvel movies where there's no stakes, like crazy robot captures Widow and let's her live and also let's her have a communication device. That is crap.

What does that Widow comment have to do with anything? He's talking about showing our main character having an "everyday life" kind of moment and you're talking about Black Widow getting kidnapped? It's almost as if you were just looking to get a Marvel jab in there and picked a moment completely at random to harp on. If you intend to spend much time here, I'd suggest next time you feel the urge to do this, suppress it.

 

[Rowsdower!]

just reading this put smile on my face.
it's way better than bathtub scene.

Yeah but the bathtub scene had a naked Amy Adams. I know you didn't see anything but... There's always the R-rated cut to look forward to.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

What does that Widow comment have to do with anything? He's talking about showing our main character having an "everyday life" kind of moment and you're talking about Black Widow getting kidnapped? It's almost as if you were just looking to get a Marvel jab in there and picked a moment completely at random to harp on. If you intend to spend much time here, I'd suggest next time you feel the urge to do this, suppress it.

Seriously, I get the desire to avoid certain camp like moments in the marvel films, but that scene wouldn't be one of them, and it would do more humanizing than was done in all of BvS

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

I guess outside of super hero stuff we're not supposed to see them. Yay realism. Maybe by the fourth movie we'll see them eat together.

 

[Jaxon]

What does that Widow comment have to do with anything? He's talking about showing our main character having an "everyday life" kind of moment and you're talking about Black Widow getting kidnapped? It's almost as if you were just looking to get a Marvel jab in there and picked a moment completely at random to harp on. If you intend to spend much time here, I'd suggest next time you feel the urge to do this, suppress it.

Just to be clear, I love the MCU, for what it is, popcorn. The issue I have with it is there's no stakes in it. Nobody is ever going to die, not for good. Even Cap may die in Civil War but he be brought back by the Infinity Gauntlet. Already with Olsen's murder, Zod's neck, and Supes sacrifice you feel like there's stakes because the script writers and director are brave enough to tackle it. Seriously I can't believe anyone is complaining about Jimmy Olsen dying because it raises the stakes. You can see Lois getting killed, she almost did, and you believed it could happen.

Having Superman doing everyday stuff just cheapens it for me, it's like Thor putting his hammer on a coat hook, just seems silly.

I like the DCEU tackling difficult themes, and I applaud the creative team for the risks they are taking because they are driving this genre forward.

 

[Predator jp]

Just to be clear, I love the MCU, for what it is, popcorn. The issue I have with it is there's no stakes in it. Nobody is ever going to die, not for good. Even Cap may die in Civil War but he be brought back by the Infinity Gauntlet. Already with Olsen's murder, Zod's neck, and Supes sacrifice you feel like there's stakes because the script writers and director are brave enough to tackle it. Seriously I can't believe anyone is complaining about Jimmy Olsen dying because it raises the stakes. You can see Lois getting killed, she almost did, and you believed it could happen.

Having Superman doing everyday stuff just cheapens it for me, it's like Thor putting his hammer on a coat hook, just seems silly.

I like the DCEU tackling difficult themes, and I applaud the creative team for the risks they are taking because they are driving this genre forward.

so you must have hated the bathtub scene or Clark at Daily Planet scene then.

 

[Light]

No thanks that's for Marvel movies where there's no stakes, like crazy robot captures Widow and let's her live and also let's her have a communication device. That is crap.

You sound like you have never read a comic in your life, these moments are meant to endear the characters to the viewers it has nothing to do with Marvel. Notice how people have mentioned multiple times hey are not invested in this Clark and Lois because they are simply there.

 

[Light]

If Supes speaks at the hearing it dilutes our acceptance of Batman going to kill him. Imagine Superman saying "i just want to help people and not get involved in world politics". How do you then justify Batman going to war with him. Answer is you can't.
Plus, Lex can't afford to have him talk and have people on Superman's side when his plot is to increase the mistrust.

This post doesn't make sense and I am surprised I am the only one speaking regarding this, so your saying we are never meant to understand Supermans perspective in the movie? Because if we did we would have a problem with Batman killing him?

 

[titansupes]

Just to be clear, I love the MCU, for what it is, popcorn. The issue I have with it is there's no stakes in it. Nobody is ever going to die, not for good. Even Cap may die in Civil War but he be brought back by the Infinity Gauntlet. Already with Olsen's murder, Zod's neck, and Supes sacrifice you feel like there's stakes because the script writers and director are brave enough to tackle it. Seriously I can't believe anyone is complaining about Jimmy Olsen dying because it raises the stakes. You can see Lois getting killed, she almost did, and you believed it could happen.

Having Superman doing everyday stuff just cheapens it for me, it's like Thor putting his hammer on a coat hook, just seems silly.

I like the DCEU tackling difficult themes, and I applaud the creative team for the risks they are taking because they are driving this genre forward.

Jimmy didn't matter to anyone but people on forums like this. It's not creating big stakes to introduce a character (without naming him, by the way) and kill him off sixty seconds later-- for the GA, it's nothing. For us, it's a cheap and kind of insulting shock.

Also, no stakes in the MCU because they've brought/might be killing off characters then bringing them back? ... Did you not see the dirt rising off Superman's casket? You actually think he's staying dead?