BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

Lol. I think he is very proud. People loves him. People loves the interpretation. He managed to make more people care n interested in superman again.

His social media footprint compared to Ben and gal and the post film reaction to supes compared to bats and ww prove you wrong.

And it's so sad, Henry is perfect for the role, I accepted lines in this movie that I hated because I like him so much.

 

[Tra-El]

Yeah, that's not a good thing. At all. Not even close.

Why? For Batman V Superman, it's not unforgivable. At the end, we see Bruce Wayne wanting to do Clark justice and we see the world mourning him. "If you seek his monument, look around you." The next arc begins and there's positivity surrounding his death and the importance of his sacrifice. I suppose I'm more patient than others when it comes to feeling excitement for more movies that will build off each other. I'm not expecting to be fulfilled after 2 films. I'm eager to see where all of this is heading. I like that feeling of a connected Universe. It's not over yet.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

You expect no more JL movie then? That's a bit over pessimistic. Maybe we should see how JL1 turn out before jump to that conclusion. It might not be as bad as people expect it to be. Plus if Snyder doesn't stay around to do JL2 then the new director could only add more positive buzz.

I took his comment to be strictly superman films, and I agree. Other than clark and Lois, maybe Martha, I don't expect much supes in JL. And unless things change with snyder in charge I'd be shocked at another solo supes, they'll just use him as needed.

 

[Tra-El]

I took his comment to be strictly superman films, and I agree. Other than clark and Lois, maybe Martha, I don't expect much supes in JL. And unless things change with snyder in charge I'd be shocked at another solo supes, they'll just use him as needed.

We'll see how it plays out. Charles Roven confirmed the talks of the next Superman solo film are currently taking place and they are figuring out where it would fit in their slate, but they're going to let the other movies play out first. Even Snyder said the reason they haven't announced the solo movies was to support the events in Batman V Superman. Lets just wait and see. There are no conclusions to jump to.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

Why? For Batman V Superman, it's not unforgivable. At the end, we see Bruce Wayne wanting to do Clark justice and we see the world mourning him. "If you seek his monument, look around you." The next arc begins and there's positivity surrounding his death and the importance of his sacrifice. I suppose I'm more patient than others when it comes to feeling excitement for more movies that will build off each other. I'm not expecting to be fulfilled after 2 films. I'm eager to see where all of this is heading. I like that feeling of a connected Universe. It's not over yet.

Because it's turning the GA off firstly. I mean I get the slow burn it'll play out eventually pov, but bottom line it wasn't necessary. Batmans motivation fur this film made it necessary, and it wasn't the plan until they decided to have them fight.

A connected universe doesn't mean a character origin gets spread out over "5-6 films" like you said in another post, that is ridiculous. If you need that many films to explain a character you either don't get him, or don't care for him. No character is soooo complicated that you need more than one movie to establish it. Superman was set after MOS, his debut is being clumsily delayed because snyder is interested in other characters, PERIOD.

 

[STARMAN]

I'm less confident in a solo movie now then I was before.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

We'll see how it plays out. Charles Roven confirmed the talks of the next Superman solo film are currently taking place and they are figuring out where it would fit in their slate, but they're going to let the other movies play out first. Even Snyder said the reason they haven't announced the solo movies was to support the events in Batman V Superman. Lets just wait and see. There are no conclusions to jump to.

If it's not one of the two recently announced I'd say it ain't happening. WB will not say so, there just waiting on the right script of course.

And that "supporting the events" thing is a pathetic lie. Cavill was confirmed for JL, the dirt on his coffin ten minutes after they killed him indicated he'd be back. It would ruin nothing.

 

[Tra-El]

A connected universe doesn't mean a character origin gets spread out over "5-6 films" like you said in another post, that is ridiculous. If you need that many films to explain a character you either don't get him, or don't care for him. No character is soooo complicated that you need more than one movie to establish it.

That was my point. I don't think it's going to be take that many films. By Justice League 2, I expect Superman to be fully accepted with most of his classic characterizations intact. IMO, Supes's origin was Man of Steel and Batman V Superman (BvS being Clark's origin story 1.5.) His death means an eventual rebirth. You won't see this fan panic so soon.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

I'm less confident in a solo movie now then I was before.

I take Snyder's comments on how lex found them, which was basicallylly secret identities would be dumb/impossible as indication that he doesn't intend to bring clark back. So what doess that leave fur the character besides guest spots when needed.

Of course I tend to be a bit pessimistic

 

[Voltron]

Snyder wasted this fine specimen. Henry was born to play Superman.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

That was my point. I don't think it's going to be take that many films. By Justice League 2, I expect Superman to be fully accepted with most of his classic characterizations intact. IMO, Supes's origin was Man of Steel and Batman V Superman (BvS being Clark's origin story 1.5.) His death means an eventual rebirth. You won't see this fan panic so soon.

Oh so only four films

 

[Tra-El]

If it's not one of the two recently announced I'd say it ain't happening. WB will not say so, there just waiting on the right script of course.

And that "supporting the events" thing is a pathetic lie. Cavill was confirmed for JL, the dirt on his coffin ten minutes after they killed him indicated he'd be back. It would ruin nothing.

I'm shocked they kept Superman's death under secret and how nothing was leaked. They did a great job in protecting that ending and there's context to that. Having Cavill confirmed just made the death ending that much more interesting. You also got to take in the fact that not everybody follows these movies religiously like these communities do. The ending needed to be protected and they did a good job of it.

 

[Tra-El]

Oh so only four films

I said by Justice League 2, which means I think his return in JLP1 is his rebirth. That still needs to play out, but who knows. Obviously, optimism isn't wanted here. I should have known this would go nowhere fast.

 

[Voltron]

Yeah I didn't see Superman's death coming. But too bad his death wasn't earned in the movie, it had no intensity, high stakes, and depth. Which is why they shouldn't have killed Supes.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

I said by Justice League 2, which means I think his return in JLP1 is his rebirth. That still needs to play out, but who knows. Obviously, optimism isn't wanted here. I should have known this would go nowhere fast.

I'm just trying to keep the thread grounded in the real world, which I'm told is gloomy and hopeless.

 

[Tra-El]

Yeah I didn't see Superman's death coming. But too bad his death wasn't earned in the movie, it had no intensity, high stakes, and depth. Which is why they shouldn't have killed Supes.

I'll respectfully disagree.

I'm just trying to keep the thread grounded in the real world, which I'm told is gloomy and hopeless.

 

[Loki882]

Again it shouldn't take four freaking movies just to "get him to be Superman." That's ridiculous. You know how long it took Nolan to get Batman to be Batman, ONE! Or Captain America to be Captain America, ONE! And so on.

You shouldn't assume that you're audience is going to "patient enough" to give you that much time just to do an origin story, especially if they're not exactly keen on HOW you're doing.

If you're someone who thinks that Snyder has made Superman gloomy and miserable for two straight films, and he's basically been one of the most under-characterized parts of his own films, then why would you believe that Snyder would suddenly change his tune with JL (where's there 5 or 6 others heroes, plus a large supporting cast)? He hasn't earned the benefit of the doubt for many people, and I cannot really blame them for feeling that way.

 

[Tra-El]

Henry's FB:

"1st week of training done. 7 days, 9 workouts and a whole lot of food!
‪#‎Superman‬ ‪#‎JusticeLeague‬ ‪#‎SupermanTraining‬
@gritandteeth"

 

[Voltron]

And it only took Richard Donner ONE movie to get Superman (Christopher Reeve) right.

I'll respectfully disagree.

 

[AnneFan]

Henry's FB:

"1st week of training done. 7 days, 9 workouts and a whole lot of food!
‪#‎Superman‬ ‪#‎JusticeLeague‬ ‪#‎SupermanTraining‬
@gritandteeth"

 

[STARMAN]

I still like Henry.

 

[AnneFan]

Henry's a good guy.

 

[Tra-El]

Henry is super.

 

[HELLilac]

I took his comment to be strictly superman films, and I agree. Other than clark and Lois, maybe Martha, I don't expect much supes in JL. And unless things change with snyder in charge I'd be shocked at another solo supes, they'll just use him as needed.

If he's talking about another solo then I agree. It's just that he said Cavill wouldn't stay pass JL1 which would mean he wouldn't be in JL2 which wad a bit far fetched even from the pessimists.

Yeah I didn't see Superman's death coming. But too bad his death wasn't earned in the movie, it had no intensity, high stakes, and depth. Which is why they shouldn't have killed Supes.

I thought it was all of that and I felt really emotional during that scene which was the reason why it pissed me off so much to find out the death didn't happen for the sake of Superman's character arc but it's just the easy way for Snyder to get Superman out of Batman's way in JL.

Again it shouldn't take four freaking movies just to "get him to be Superman." That's ridiculous. You know how long it took Nolan to get Batman to be Batman, ONE! Or Captain America to be Captain America, ONE! And so on.

And it took Batfleck half a movie and WW 5 mins to get people asked for more of them. I wish Henry was miscast.. I wish he looked less Superman.. All these screwed up job would have been less upsetting if we hadn't had the right guy to portray him.

 

[STARMAN]

I'm greedy. Give me one more Superman solo with Cavill then do whatever you want with the rest of the DC universe.