BvS Henry Cavill IS Superman - - - - - - - - - - - Part 25

[-Arya-]

What I'm fearing is that, all this time being "dead" makes him even more unsure and doubtful of his place in the world.


What if he comes back with PTSD, and gets even more depressed or terribly broody

Then I'd want them to reboot the character asap. I'm tired of an indecisive and depressed Superman.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

I think Perry White knows Clark is Superman. It's why he allow Lois to get the chopper to go to gothem.

I thought this too, but after my second viewing I just took it to mean it had something to do with Clark, with her saying it wasnt about a story.

 

[BH/HHH]

I think Perry knows which is one of the reasons I'm convinced Clark can come back. They can say he went under a top secret assignment and they needed to convince people he wws dead.

As I said previously Goyer confirmed the people of Smallville know Clark is Superman anyway.

 

[The Guard]

I think it's just to show that Perry's not always obsessed with the bottom line. He does have a heart.

If Perry knew, I think he'd have been at the funeral.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

And might I add that it would add more weight to the Injustice subplot as his optimism which was assisted from new friendship, maternal love, and romantic love would dwindle if one of them would die in a tragic way.

As much sense and a no brainer decision as it seems to have the big three present from the start it wouldnt allow Snyder to have Batman as the center of JL, so that idea had to go.

 

[Loki882]

Snyder seemed to imply after MOS that Perry might know, or at least suspect something. But it might be that Commissioner Gordon-type of deal where he COULD figure it out if he really wanted to, but chooses not to because it'd put him in an uncomfortable ethical and legal position.

 

[The Guard]

That makes sense, though I'm hard pressed to see Perry, knowing Clark is Superman, telling him not to take on Batman.

 

[Miss Lois Lane]

And might I add that it would add more weight to the Injustice subplot as his optimism which was assisted from new friendship, maternal love, and romantic love would dwindle if one of them would die in a tragic way.

It would indeed. I also think, talking about adding weight to plot,

Spoiler

having Superman die this early, and having the end hinting that of course he isn't dead, took a lot of weight away from his death. I was devastated when it happened, even though I knew it was coming when DD appeared in that trailer, but just...there was an overall lack of impact.

I can't believe in the space of one week I've gone from 'well I was happy with what we got because I thought it would be worse' to ! I think it's just, as with MoS, that when the post-viewing euphoria wore off I realised that I'd been foolish just to take whatever I was given and be OK with it.

 

[Andreth]

It's a rollercoaster with this movie


some days I remember the good, and then I remember the bad

 

[OcStat]

That's more or less what happened to me in the space of about two days. Walked out of the theater thinking,"not great but not bad!" to "yeah actually it was pretty bad."

At this point I feel tired of Batman and I want a legit Superman, which only seems possible by rebooting his character and getting it away from these film makers. And I know that isn't going to happen, so yeah.

 

[Marvin]

I actually agree with this assessment. I'm 110 percent okay with a frowny Superman, just as long as the optimistic Superman is the one we see in JL.

I'm more interested in context personally. I don't need him strolling in smiling into a senate hearing, nor when he's confronting luthor, or some warlord or unknown violent vigilante, not so much when he's arguing for journalistic standards(ala spotlight scenes)though evidently enough during all of that he is contrasting their dour with something optimistic and hopeful almost by definition...maybe when he's having a moment with lois or saying a bitter sweet good bye, maybe smile when it makes sense.
Point being, I'm all for him smiling when he's supposed to and not when he's not. If more appropriate scenes is what people are asking for I can get behind that, as long as it doesn't compromise other things. The problem is people simply don't want to allow for context to take over, like if snyder adapted kingdom come tomorrow they'd wonder why he wasn't smiling all that much in it, the creators here aren't allowed to tell a story not without...I digress.
Him meeting other heroes and the world not hating and fearing him any longer will most likely be an avenue to such things. Who knows.

 

[Andreth]

Really? Last I heard Lois was with Steve Trevor and Clark was with Diana. I gave up entirely when Lois revealed Superman's identity to the world and everyone was hating on her. You may have guessed that I am somewhat fond of and protective of the character Anyway, I'll have another go after the 'rebirth'. And because I've been derailing quite a bit in this thread...

^^ lets hope coming back as Clark, getting his job at the DP back and being at peace with the world and himself are some of them

Let me get a little off-topic to try to clear your question.

The whole Rebirth (their massive linewide relaunch) is a little confusing sometimes, The Superman & Wonder Woman book is being cancelled and the Lois&Clark book is being resumed in the main Superman Titles.

There's a new comic "Super Sons" Lois & Clark's son will share this title with Bruce Wayne's son.
The new 52's superman seems to have disappeared.

Also running around is an older, beardier Superman: the star of Superman: Lois & Clark, who is actually the old Superman from the comics before DC rebooted with the New 52 in 2011. He’s been hanging around in the background with his wife Lois and their son Jon, trying to stop Pre-52 Clark’s enemies from popping up to harass the Post-52 Clark.

But maybe you’ll be less confused in Rebirth, because it seems like New 52 Superman is disappearing. None of the Superman comics announced as part of the event seemingly star the current iteration of Kal-El.

Let’s recap: Action Comics, reverting to its old number run, will be the continuation of Superman: Lois and Clark, starring the Pre-52 Superman.

 

[Man_of_Tomorrow]

I can't believe in the space of one week I've gone from 'well I was happy with what we got because I thought it would be worse' to ! I think it's just, as with MoS, that when the post-viewing euphoria wore off I realised that I'd been foolish just to take whatever I was given and be OK with it.

I didnt experience this with MOS, I accepted the flaws and saw the way forward. With this one it wasnt until I read his comments afterwards on why he did things that made me look at BvS differently and fear for the future.

 

[Andreth]

trying to cheer me up with some Happy!Clark

t:

 

[Miss Lois Lane]

Let me get a little off-topic to try to clear your question.

The whole Rebirth (their massive linewide relaunch) is a little confusing sometimes, The Superman & Wonder Woman book is being cancelled and the Lois&Clark book is being resumed in the main Superman Titles.

There's a new comic "Super Sons" Lois & Clark's son will share this title with Bruce Wayne's son.
The new 52's superman seems to have disappeared.

Thank you I will definitely be going back to have a look at the comics after 'Rebirth'.

Edit at those gifs!

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

I'm more interested in context personally. I don't need him strolling in smiling into a senate hearing, nor when he's confronting luthor, or some warlord or unknown violent vigilante, not so much when he's arguing for journalistic standards(ala spotlight scenes)though evidently enough during all of that he is contrasting their dour with something optimistic and hopeful almost by definition...maybe when he's having a moment with lois or saying a bitter sweet good bye, maybe smile when it makes sense.
Point being, I'm all for him smiling when he's supposed to and not when he's not. If more appropriate scenes is what people are asking for I can get behind that, as long as it doesn't compromise other things. The problem is people simply don't want to allow for context to take over, like if snyder adapted kingdom come tomorrow they'd wonder why he wasn't smiling all that much in it, the creators here aren't allowed to tell a story not without...I digress.
Him meeting other heroes and the world not hating and fearing him any longer will most likely be an avenue to such things. Who knows.

I agree with this post, ironically

 

[Zing79]

One of the best things I've seen in awhile about Superman

Also deals with this movie, but man does it sum it up.
WARNING: Language NSFW

 

[MrsKent26]

i hope we will see this Superman in JL.

There he is. The real supes. It would be so easy to take advantage of this on screen.

 

[Rowsdower!]

God yes. I would love to see a director allow Cavill to use his natural charm as Superman. Snyder at least let him use it in spurts in MOS. But in BvS, he must have been shouting off camera, "SCOWL MORE! FROWN MORE! SHOW THE WORLD HOW MUCH IT SUCKS TO HAVE SUPER POWERS!"

 

[Marvin]

Also deals with this movie, but man does it sum it up.
WARNING: Language NSFW

Yea not sure that post won't get modded or worse.

As for the content, if that's the approach alot of the professional critics took I can start to see why it got the scores it got. And those comments..that might play a part in this word of mouth issue.

I for one argue it's the pessimistic superman that walks in looking for the bomb. The one that never actually returns from exile. We all see what we want.

 

[Verick808]

When people talk about tje real Superan I can't help but wonder where I cam find this real Superman. Most the comics I ever read he was frowning. Clark might laugh and smile but generally Superman just went to work when he put the outfit on.

 

[Logan0327]

God yes. I would love to see a director allow Cavill to use his natural charm as Superman. Snyder at least let him use it in spurts in MOS. But in BvS, he must have been shouting off camera, "SCOWL MORE! FROWN MORE! SHOW THE WORLD HOW MUCH IT SUCKS TO HAVE SUPER POWERS!"

yup and what sucks is the final shot of man of steel is this

he's happy ,he has a woman,he has a job,supportive mother and he has a look of hope and optimism

but what does Snyder do literally makes him depressed and gloomy for the entirety of BVS

 

[MrMaooz]

What would you guys think if Supes is already resurrected in JL1 in the beginning and is living a quiet life and only Bruce knows?

I got that from a thread on Reddit.

 

[Rowsdower!]

Yeah! I mean, what the hell? At the end of MOS, Superman seems to have a handle on his powers and who he needs to be. Yes, he's made some mistakes but the future looks bright and he's confident that both he and humanity can work together for good (his last line to Swanwick is "Guess I'll just have to trust you."). Yet in BvS, no one trusts him, and Supes is just like, "F*** the haters; I don't care if they think I murdered a bunch of people."

What's sad is that Cavill really, REALLY seems to get this character far better than Snyder does. You can hear it in interviews when he talks about Superman. He said multiple times that Superman would always hold back if he came to blows with Batman because he wouldn't want to kill him. But that's not really even conveyed in BvS. I mean, he plows him through an entire building and then drops him from like 20 feet in the air. Yeah, he's wearing armor but come on.

 

[Rapunzel]

I can see him being back when the JL film starts, but not hiding. Please, let's just stop with the brooding/introspection. The whole point of the return is to come back glorious....otherwise it's a lame resurrection.