Sava said:
your right about the many Hulks, i was wrong. I still dont like that they all seem to have different powers even though they are all normal people who have been hit by the same radiation. I'll buy the idea of "different frequencies of gamma radiation affect different human beings in different ways". Your right in that part, my bad
your also right about Hulk being 15ft tall in the comics, he never was that high. He wasnt always 7ft tall either, he has been drawn to be bigger. we had the same arguement a
LONG time ago. I dont agree with everything they've done with Hulk, there are too many different Hulks IMO, i'm not a fan of Samson either. I especially hate what they've done with Ultimate Hulk, i have a question, if a guy loves all this, everything they've done with Hulk so far, does that make him a great fan?
Thanks Saqva it is a pleasure to talk to someone who can admit they are wrong (on specific points). It sometimes drives me crazy when people argue against the facts just because they will never admit to being "wrong" (like it's a bad thing).
to answer your points about the different Hulks, though it was never clearly explained in the comics it seems like in addition to the physical changes gamma radiation has on the body it also brings out and taps into the human psychie. It brings out repressed, or deep inner turmoils out into the open.
for example, the leader, a dumb guy who always wanted to be respected becomes ULTRA smart.
Doc Samson, who one could argue is a meek "doctor type" becomes this good looking prototypical superhero looking guy.
Abomination who was just filled with anger and hatred for others becomes a monster, etc. etc.
in fact I think THAT is why the Hulk is and has always been special. it's because Banner's issue was one that we could all relate to. The tired of being bossed around, and pushed around type of feeling. the tired of having to take it all the time, tired of being afraid to speak your mind, tired of being picked on, tired of being WEAK type of feeling, that many people feel deep down inside. The Hulk is the Victim who finally stands up to his abuser.
IMO that is what made the Marvel characters so succesfull, they tapped into people's wishfull thinking and sometimes repression. That is why IMO replacing that with the whole my father experimented on me, thing was a mistake. it created a distance.
The movie should have had Bruce being chewed out by Ross, being called names and being abused by ross and when he turns into the Hulk, finally he would be able to put him in his place and tell him to sit down and shut up or else "hulk will smash".
that's why the Hulk speaking was so important. That's why Rick Jones was so important (as the articulate person who would explain this to the audience).
that's why the "leave Hulk alone or Hulk will smash" statement is so key to the Hulk's appeal.
and YOU are right as well. The Hulk's size has ALWAYS been inconsistant in the comics. I don't really understand why (especially in light of the fact that it seems every other character's size big or small HAS been consistant). Some artists have drawn the Hulk to be the same height as a normal human, some make him a bit taller, some make him much taller (7' to 8' tall). it's a mistery.
Thanks for realizing that prior to the movie he was NEVER shown as more than say 9' tall in the comics.
now to answer you final question.
It's a very interesting question and I think it goes to the root of the difference between old school fans and new school fans. I've thought a lot about this and I think I have an answer.
the person who loves everything they do to a character without question is indeed a fan, a HUGE fan in fact. The problem is that he is not a fan of the CHARACTER, but rather of the CONCEPT of the character.
there is a huge difference.
when you are fan fan of the concept, (the idea of a man turning into a huge ultra powerful being), than the details are quite irrelevant to you. he could be 7,8,9 25 feet tall. the idea or "spirit" still holds true. he could be humanoid or lizard like,...it doesn't.
however when you are a fan of the CHARACTER, that means that in addition to the CONCEPT, you like THIS PARTICULAR guy, this particular look, etc. etc. the details do become important.
the difference is like the difference between being heterosexual and being in love with a girl.
a hetero wants girls, the prettier the better.
The guy in love wants THAT particular girl for all the details which make her HER.
those who attack those of us who want THE Hulk, are pretty much saying to us, hey forget YOUR fiance, she left, get over it, besides there's another girl over there with longer hair, and nicer legs who wants to marry you, so what's the problem.
many people who came into the comic scene in the 90's had no choice but to become "CONCEPT fans" because Marvel went out of control (still is) then. The had at least 3 different versions of each character at the same time. AND they would constantly CHANGE each version into something else. So people didn't have time to get to know much less fall in love with specific characters. All the knew was the concept of being a Hulk, Spider-man, Supersoldier, Wolverine, etc. etc.
what upsets me is that they forget the reason why the had a chance to come accross the concepts was because THE ORIGINAL character is the one that appealed to a huge number of people for a very long time time. replacing that with a fly by night idea is IMO just plain stupid.