Hickman's "Avengers"

[Sockie]

Are you convinced its not her? I thought it was still up in the air. I'm hoping it is her.


I'm loving Hickman's Avengers. He's got some big out-there ideas Loved his LXG style SHIELD.

It's been made pretty clear that it's a new character.

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

It's been made pretty clear that it's a new character.

Captain Universe isn't a new character really. It's always been, from the beginning an entity that possessed civilians (and sometimes heroes) when danger was nearby. I don't even know whether or not she'll necessarily need much of a secret identity considering the nature of the character.

It certainly appears like they're continuing the character as it has been used in the past.

 

[runawayboulder]

Based on the normal usage of the Captain Universe character, it still could be Monica. She does have cosmic based powers to begin with making her a more feasable target for possession.

 

[Specter313]

Based on the normal usage of the Captain Universe character, it still could be Monica. She does have cosmic based powers to begin with making her a more feasable target for possession.

Well, then again, let's look at who all it possessed a few years back when it had that series of one-shots with it using a new character in each issue:

~Spider-Man
~Hulk
~X-23
~Invisible Woman
~Daredevil

And I think one or two others. I don't think having cosmic based powers is really something that's a prerequisite to being a target for possession.

 

[runawayboulder]

Well, then again, let's look at who all it possessed a few years back when it had that series of one-shots with it using a new character in each issue:

~Spider-Man
~Hulk
~X-23
~Invisible Woman
~Daredevil

And I think one or two others. I don't think having cosmic based powers is really something that's a prerequisite to being a target for possession.

No, but IMO I think it makes them a stronger candidate.

 

[Sockie]

Captain Universe isn't a new character really. It's always been, from the beginning an entity that possessed civilians (and sometimes heroes) when danger was nearby. I don't even know whether or not she'll necessarily need much of a secret identity considering the nature of the character.

It certainly appears like they're continuing the character as it has been used in the past.

I'm saying the host is a new character, which Hickman outright stated on Formspring. Also, I think her and the Uni-Power are going to be sticking with each other for a while--the Uni-Power's nature has changed, according to Hickman.

 

[JewishHobbit]

Well, then again, let's look at who all it possessed a few years back when it had that series of one-shots with it using a new character in each issue:

~Spider-Man
~Hulk
~X-23
~Invisible Woman
~Daredevil

And I think one or two others. I don't think having cosmic based powers is really something that's a prerequisite to being a target for possession.

Also Gladiator and Silver Surfer. I really enjoyed that 'mini'.

 

[Havok83]

Captain Universe isn't a new character really. It's always been, from the beginning an entity that possessed civilians (and sometimes heroes) when danger was nearby. I don't even know whether or not she'll necessarily need much of a secret identity considering the nature of the character.

It certainly appears like they're continuing the character as it has been used in the past.

is it like the Phoenix Force?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Only in the sense that they're both disembodied masses of energy that merge with people to give them powers. The Uni-Power doesn't overwrite people's personalities or anything. It just latches onto whoever's nearby and then that person mostly controls the Captain Universe powers with the Uni-Power just urging them to fix whatever problem it thinks needs fixing. It comes from something called the Enigma Force, but I don't think they've ever gone in-depth about just what the hell that is (hence, "enigma"). It's tied to Eternity somehow, though, which was referenced in Avengers. When Ex Nihilo and Abyss bowed before Captain Universe, it was because they recognized her as an agent of Eternity or the universe or fate or whatever you want to call it.

 

[Specter313]

#8

 

[THANOSRULES]

Only in the sense that they're both disembodied masses of energy that merge with people to give them powers. The Uni-Power doesn't overwrite people's personalities or anything. It just latches onto whoever's nearby and then that person mostly controls the Captain Universe powers with the Uni-Power just urging them to fix whatever problem it thinks needs fixing. It comes from something called the Enigma Force, but I don't think they've ever gone in-depth about just what the hell that is (hence, "enigma"). It's tied to Eternity somehow, though, which was referenced in Avengers. When Ex Nihilo and Abyss bowed before Captain Universe, it was because they recognized her as an agent of Eternity or the universe or fate or whatever you want to call it.

It seemed to be controlling her personality for a few secs there ..akin to possession.

 

[CConn]

I really wish they could just use Superman instead of this Hyperion cat. It would make an epic story even more ridiculous and big.

 

[JewishHobbit]

The only Hyperion I've ever had any interest in was the bad one in Exiles. He was a great villain. Other than that... eh.

 

[Mr. Dent]

Is anyone else having a problem with the way Hickman writes this?

 

[Optimus_Prime_]

I like the Hyperion from Supreme Power.

 

[CConn]

The only problem I have with Hyperion is that he's really just Superman. It kinda makes me dislike copyright laws.

 

[CConn]

Is anyone else having a problem with the way Hickman writes this?

Not at all, but I do know exactly what you mean.

I kinda floundered through about a third of his FF run before I was really able to fully grasp how Hickman writes; he can write very vaguely; often seemingly glossing over major events or moments in a story where another writer probably would spent multiple pages, and tons of dislogue explaining, describing, and calling attention to it.

That said, now that I'm used to it, I quite like it. The way he progresses his narrative almost seems somewhat biblical or mythical about it; written in that classical way where it's as if we're hearing the story second or third hand from the people who witnessed it. It feels legendary and old all at once.

 

[JewishHobbit]

I like the Hyperion from Supreme Power.

Yeah okay. I forgot about him, he was cool. I only read the first volume though.

 

[SlamAdams]

Is anyone else having a problem with the way Hickman writes this?

Not yet

 

[Mr. Dent]

Not at all, but I do know exactly what you mean.

I kinda floundered through about a third of his FF run before I was really able to fully grasp how Hickman writes; he can write very vaguely; often seemingly glossing over major events or moments in a story where another writer probably would spent multiple pages, and tons of dislogue explaining, describing, and calling attention to it.

That said, now that I'm used to it, I quite like it. The way he progresses his narrative almost seems somewhat biblical or mythical about it; written in that classical way where it's as if we're hearing the story second or third hand from the people who witnessed it. It feels legendary and old all at once.

Exactly. I think that style of writing works with New Avengers with it being a story of powerful men, Illuminati, all that stuff. However, I don't like it in the main Avengers title. I feel like the title needs to be lighter and jovial than he portrays it as well as going more into detail about the team dynamics and mechanics. The book feels horribly rushed and glossed over in a bad way with this book. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Bendis' run.

 

[CConn]

I disagree, it's the Avengers. Earth's Mightiest Heroes. They should be big, explosive and mythical.

While I agree, they do need some real inter-personal drama to make it a proper Avengers book, that type of thing needs to be built over time, so I'm not terribly bothered that it hasn't been in these first few issues.

And I really don't think it needs to be that comedic at all. I mean none of the featured heroes are comedic elsewhere, so why should they be jokey in the Avengers?

 

[Mr. Dent]

When I said jovial and lighter I didn't mean so much comedic as I meant a sense of charm, which this book just lacks in my opinion.

 

[runawayboulder]

Exactly. I think that style of writing works with New Avengers with it being a story of powerful men, Illuminati, all that stuff. However, I don't like it in the main Avengers title. I feel like the title needs to be lighter and jovial than he portrays it as well as going more into detail about the team dynamics and mechanics. The book feels horribly rushed and glossed over in a bad way with this book. Maybe I'm just spoiled by Bendis' run.

And this is how Bendis screwed up the Avengers. What you're seeing now....what Hickman is doing, it's what guys did before Bendis. Not exactly the same but on the same scale.

 

[JewishHobbit]

And that explains why it never caught my eye, or apparently a bunch of eyes since it wasn't selling that great prior to Bendis. Interpersonal relationships, fun, and humor screw up a comic? Maybe it was just a crappy comic to begin with and you're nostalgic about it

 

[RockSP]

Interpersonal relationships, fun, and humor screw up a comic?

Nah, characters doing nothing but being talking heads (and occasionally fighting ninjas) for 6 issue arcs does that.