The Dark Knight Rises How does TDKR make you feel? How do you feel about TDKR? Hate it?

[Shikamaru]

Excellent points about TV vs film. I wish we could get a Batman series in the "Sherlock" format - three 90 minute episodes per season.

I haven't thought of that. That would be awesome .

 

[Steamteck]

Only i hated every moment of Iron Man 3 when i was watching it. I felt embarrassed even being in the theater.

Nice to hear I'm not the only one.

 

[DACrowe]

I don't think superhero films will go away altogether. Both can coexist, but can be different. A lot of the "TV serials" we are getting on the big screen today are only on the big screen because they're too expensive for TV. If anything, I think the future holds more variety in the sense that directors/writers can pick-and-choose the medium that best fits their story/take.

Agreed. I think the great shows of this "golden age of television"--Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Game of Thrones, The Wire, The Sopranos, Rome, Homeland, House of Cards, etc.--are proving far more ambitious and audacious than most mainstream big budget films, including the Marvel movies. Really Agents of SHIELD is a good representation of the MCU on TV, except in that medium it can be compared to something like Sherlock or Doctor Who (with much smaller budgets on BBC) and be found severely wanting.

But yes, many superhero movies are rocketing towards a serialized television format, and a rather safe one at that. It is why I am okay with Nolan's self-contained approach to each movie. On a somewhat unrelated note, it is also why Guardians of the Galaxy's trailer looks so appealing at the moment. At least it is different.

 

[DACrowe]

That's absolutely true. Even if I had the power to "fix" TDKR it still wouldn't be a movie I'd like to watch over and over. However I do wish it was a movie that I could watch without getting bored and/or frustrated. The bomb, Alfred's google-fu, etc.

Google flu? Just curious.

I actually find Rises much more entertaining than Begins. But sorry it does not work for you.

 

[Snow Queen]

Google flu? Just curious.

I think he's referring to Alfred knowing about Bane's "backstory".

 

[shauner111]

That's absolutely true. Even if I had the power to "fix" TDKR it still wouldn't be a movie I'd like to watch over and over. However I do wish it was a movie that I could watch without getting bored and/or frustrated. The bomb, Alfred's google-fu, etc.

his what!?

 

[Shikamaru]

He's referring to Alfred google-ing things about Bane. The way that whole scene plays out, it's as if he looked up information of Bane on Google.

 

[shauner111]

Oh and True Detective is the friggin best show on tv right now. Absolutely brilliant writing, directing and McConaughey is taking home the Emmy. It's a 8 episode/hour season that has a beginning and end, where the actors/story will not return for the second season. I think something like TDKR could have benefited from that, but it needed to be on the big screen. Imax especially.

I would have liked to have seen a Gotham type show but with JGL as the lead, with Gary Oldman. A good 12 episodes or so. Bullock, Essen. A little bit like what they're doing on Fox but on HBO. So better writing, directing, acting and more freedom.

 

[shauner111]

He's referring to Alfred google-ing things about Bane. The way that whole scene plays out, it's as if he looked up information of Bane on Google.

I dont see the problem with that. Bruce was busy tending to other matters, plus his head still wasn't screwed on right at the time. Alfred does a quick checkup and tells Bruce the basics.

 

[Shikamaru]

I dont see the problem with that. Bruce was busy tending to other matters, plus his head still wasn't screwed on right at the time. Alfred does a quick checkup and tells Bruce the basics.

Yes, Alfred can do a quick checkup over a mysterious mercenary working with/for the LOS - an organization that, as far as we know, the world doesn't even know they exist - while the CIA has little to no solid information to go on.

Meanwhile, poor Peter Parker can't even find information regarding his parents' death . Just goes to show the advantageous difference between Google and Bing .

 

[The Derp Knight]

He's referring to Alfred google-ing things about Bane. The way that whole scene plays out, it's as if he looked up information of Bane on Google.

And not just Bane - the League of Shadows and John Daggett'a seedy dealings. If Bane can be linked to the LOS they should be able to link BRUCE as well.

 

[DACrowe]

I think he's referring to Alfred knowing about Bane's "backstory".

He's referring to Alfred google-ing things about Bane. The way that whole scene plays out, it's as if he looked up information of Bane on Google.

Ah does not bug me. If Bane is supposed to be as big as hinted at in the prologue, even as a myth, I'm sure that stuff (which was only half-accurate) would be online.

I mean, the comics and TAS have Alfred digging all the time. I recall in the first Poison Ivy episode of TAS, it is Alfred "looking up" Pamela Isley (in the pre-internet days) while Batman is driving around that cracks the case. Alfred did all the research.

To me, complaining that it happened here is a nitpick.

 

[DACrowe]

And not just Bane - the League of Shadows and John Daggett'a seedy dealings. If Bane can be linked to the LOS they should be able to link BRUCE as well.

As I recall, the tenuous link to Daggett was that Bane's terrorist group or mercenaries (whatever you wish to call them) helped overthrow a government in a third world African country? Daggett financially benefitted from that coup in terms of a mining contract. The latter part would be a matter of public record. So, the connection is just it is a helluva a coincidence that the group this Bane figure is rumored to be running around with happened to create an advantageous political crisis in a country that Daggett had a vested economic interests in.

What's the phrase? In this world, you cannot believe in coincidence anymore.

 

[Snow Queen]

Ah does not bug me. If Bane is supposed to be as big as hinted at in the prologue, even as a myth, I'm sure that stuff (which was only half-accurate) would be online.

I mean, the comics and TAS have Alfred digging all the time. I recall in the first Poison Ivy episode of TAS, it is Alfred "looking up" Pamela Isley (in the pre-internet days) while Batman is driving around that cracks the case. Alfred did all the research.

To me, complaining that it happened here is a nitpick.

It doesn't bother me either, though I do wish they kept the full line from the script.

 

[Shikamaru]

And not just Bane - the League of Shadows and John Daggett'a seedy dealings. If Bane can be linked to the LOS they should be able to link BRUCE as well.

Exactly. Especially since Bane didn't seem to spend any more or less time with them than Bruce.

Ah does not bug me. If Bane is supposed to be as big as hinted at in the prologue, even as a myth, I'm sure that stuff (which was only half-accurate) would be online.

I mean, the comics and TAS have Alfred digging all the time. I recall in the first Poison Ivy episode of TAS, it is Alfred "looking up" Pamela Isley (in the pre-internet days) while Batman is driving around that cracks the case. Alfred did all the research.

Pamela Isley isn't a mysterious global terrorist with connections to a mysterious organization. If my memory serves me right, she was just a normal Gotham citizen up until then.

To me, complaining that it happened here is a nitpick.

I kinda am and am not complaining. It is a flaw, but it is probably my favorite flaw in the whole film.

 

[Travesty]

Ahhhh, who cares about this Bane fellow from the LOS that wants to come back to Gotham...I need my moms pearls.

 

[Green Goblin]

F*** me Alfred is pretty good at research.

I wonder what search engine he uses. Google? Bing? Yahoo?

 

[Travesty]

He uses Bing to get those free XBLA points.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

Narratively, I think it could have easily been 4-6 movies. I will not deny that there feels like at least a step skipped between TDK and TDKR. They even hint at it at times with the Batcave rebuilt and Jim Gordon being a "war hero," from a war we never saw.

But yes, as Nolan is one of the great mainstream filmmakers of his generation, he really shouldn't have to stick around for 15 years doing sequels, especially when I think it is safe to say that his passion level plateaued with TDK. As a fan of his world, I wish the story was a little more complex than the three-act structure. But I agree that I would rather him go out relatively on top, or at least near it, than not be making more original films. The studio has already ensured that we will not miss a beat for another Batman movie in a few years.

You know, although I agree with everything you say here, I must say that the idea of 6 Nolan Batmovies is mouthwatering.

Speaking of expanded Nolanverses, I can't help but feel disappointed in Gotham Knight. It's a shame that that feature didn't really know what it wanted to be - I mean, I enjoy some moments of it, but it really seemed all over the place at times. Some of the content in there seems to fit with the Nolanverse, but I'm disappointed they didn't just go full out with that and even try to bring the movie cast oboard.

I'd agree with everything you just said Shika.

I have a lot of mixed feelings on the issue though, mainly because I'd hate to see films replaced with TV altogether when it comes to telling epic stories. There's something special about being in a darkened room with a crowd of people and witnessing this kind of spectacle on the big screen, with the big sound that's hard to replace at home no matter how good your home theater is. Especially when you bring IMAX into the equation.

Also, I feel like Marvel's cinematic universe at the moment is essentially a big TV serial that just so happens to be unfolding on the big screen.

The bolded part is the key really - going to the cinema is a spectacle, much like going to theater, opera, even concerts. It's that idea of a whole bunch of people sharing one single experience. It's a wonderful feeling.

Agreed. I think the great shows of this "golden age of television"--Breaking Bad, Mad Men, Game of Thrones, The Wire, The Sopranos, Rome, Homeland, House of Cards, etc.--are proving far more ambitious and audacious than most mainstream big budget films, including the Marvel movies. Really Agents of SHIELD is a good representation of the MCU on TV, except in that medium it can be compared to something like Sherlock or Doctor Who (with much smaller budgets on BBC) and be found severely wanting.

Don't forget Person of Interest.

He's referring to Alfred google-ing things about Bane. The way that whole scene plays out, it's as if he looked up information of Bane on Google.

I just assumed Alfred used the Batcomputer to get all that info on Bane while Bruce was away from home.

 

[The Derp Knight]

Imma just put this here: http://srmanniac.livejournal.com/721.html

 

[JackWhite]

Imma just put this here: http://srmanniac.livejournal.com/721.html

Quickly skimmed through that, interesting read, but I will have to read it again more thoroughly later. I've got a bad cold I'm fighting through at the moment.

Still, TDKR is nothing like Spider-Man 3. Flawed is one thing, being a train-wreck is something else entirely.

 

[BatmanBeyond]

Quickly skimmed through that, interesting read, but I will have to read it again more thoroughly later. I've got a bad cold I'm fighting through at the moment.

Still, TDKR is nothing like Spider-Man 3. Flawed is one thing, being a train-wreck is something else entirely.

This.

 

[titansupes]

The Dark Knight Rises makes me feel ****ing excellent. I too have a couple of nitpicks with it, but it's still in contention for my favourite movie.

 

[the5timechamp]

Like it still but its the one film in the trilogy that left the most on the table and fulfilled the least of its potential.... Didnt fully nail the things it had to nail.

 

[Travesty]

Didnt fully nail the things it had to nail.

So you're saying TDKR is a metaphor of my life?