How to Kill Wolverine

[Darthphere]

Uh, you mean besides being Galactus' Herald? Well he damn sure wasn't pulling Supernova when he started. But of course with him it's just natural progression, God forbid Logan get the same.

That lasted 2 issues. And theres a difference between being able to increase the amount of heat you generate over a long period of time like 40 years than having Wolverine get hiss ass kicked by robots and take him omnths to heal than the next month he survives a ****ing nuke. Its common sense.

 

[Darthphere]

Batman shouldnt beat 90% of the people he does. Elektra, DD and Punisher shouldn't be able to beat wolverine. so where's all the people going nuts there?

You choose to read what you like, because people are constantly arguing about whether or not Batman should have been able to beat Amazo or the white martians. Just because you miss the discussions doesnt mean it didnt happen.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Batman shouldnt beat 90% of the people he does. Elektra, DD and Punisher shouldn't be able to beat wolverine. so where's all the people going nuts there?

Let me assure you that there is no logical answer to this question bro. Some stuff makes sense to some people, but 'making sense' is relative by it's very nature. Wolverine fans would accept his wins as his due, others see it as insane.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

That lasted 2 issues. And theres a difference between being able to increase the amount of heat you generate over a long period of time like 40 years than having Wolverine get hiss ass kicked by robots and take him omnths to heal than the next month he survives a ****ing nuke. Its common sense.

Diffrence being Johnny started off with more power than Wolverine, who started off street level to the max. Johnny makes a jump that puts him waaay higher on the list than he already was and Wolverine makes a jump that puts him above street level. The intervals between when these guys were introduced also should be taken into account.

 

[Horrorfan]

You choose to read what you like, because people are constantly arguing about whether or not Batman should have been able to beat Amazo or the white martians. Just because you miss the discussions doesnt mean it didnt happen.

what about elektra, dd and punisher beating wolverine? even a hate such as you should see they should really be no match?

 

[Darthphere]

Diffrence being Johnny started off with more power than Wolverine, who started off street level to the max. Johnny makes a jump that puts him waaay higher on the list than he already was and Wolverine makes a jump that puts him above street level. The intervals between when these guys were introduced also should be taken into account.

Heres the thing. Wolverine shouldnt be more than street level. Hes a ****ing hunter, failed samurai, he can kick your ass 100 different ways, but that isnt enough for you Wolverine fans, now he has to survive 8 nuke detonations at the same time. Its ridiculous.

 

[Darthphere]

what about elektra, dd and punisher beating wolverine? even a hate such as you should see they should really be no match?

Why am I a hater? because I dont think Wolverine surviving a nuke is good storytelling? Please take your hater label somewhere else because I ****ing love Wolverine but its becoming ridiculous what this guy does. And to answer your question, yes and no, it really depends on how its written and what happened in the encounter.

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Heres the thing. Wolverine shouldnt be more than street level. Hes a ****ing hunter, failed samurai, he can kick your ass 100 different ways, but that isnt enough for you Wolverine fans, now he has to survive 8 nuke detonations at the same time. Its ridiculous.

Hey, this is your opinon, that's cool. But that's all it is, you're crossing that line where you're putting it out there like it's a fact. Wolverine shouldn't be more than street level. Says you. Others agree and still others disagree.

As to the failed Samurai deal, DAMN do we have to dig through that again and all the technicalities? Suffice it to say he's beaten the most notable Samurai in the Silver Samurai and then cut off his arm. So saying he's a 'failed Saumrai' doesn't carry water in any arena except character development.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Point.

Fact of the matter is that there haven't been any methods of killing him that are viable here and now.

Depends on the writer. He would die in the vaccum of space fairly quickly.

 

[roach]

according to the Xavier Protcols decapitation should do the trick

 

[Horrorfan]

As to the failed Samurai deal, DAMN do we have to dig through that again and all the technicalities? Suffice it to say he's beaten the most notable Samurai in the Silver Samurai and then cut off his arm. So saying he's a 'failed Saumrai' doesn't carry water in any arena except character development.

Get your logic out of this thread

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Depends on the writer. He would die in the vaccum of space fairly quickly.

Now THAT makes sense, but what kind of detail is that? What kind of death is that exactly? Compression? Turned inside out?

 

[Genesis 1.0]

Get your logic out of this thread

Yes Sir.

 

[roach]

Get your logic out of this thread

Logic?????
One doesnt become a Samurai by beating a samurai. If that was the case most of the X-men and others would be samurai too. Logan is a failed Samurai because he lacks the self control to control the beast within...sheesh if you are gonna be a Wolverine fan at least know the character

 

[Horrorfan]

Yes Sir.

(but not to mention he's beaten sami's ass every time they fought and also killed shingen )

 

[Horrorfan]

Logic?????
One doesnt become a Samurai by beating a samurai. If that was the case most of the X-men and others would be samurai too. Logan is a failed Samurai because he lacks the self control to control the beast within...sheesh if you are gonna be a Wolverine fan at least know the character

Maybe he failed the philosophy, but OBVIOUSLY he has the skills of the samurai. If you 'knew' the character, you should have known that.

Say for example, the phillosopy of a swimmer is that you have to be one with the ocean. well i dont believe that, but i can still swim

 

[MyPokerShirt]

give him to a writer that doesnt allow him god-like status, but writes a more realistic version of wolverine. then maybe they'd let him get hurt instead of regenerating from a frigin skeleton or just the one cell.

 

[roach]

Maybe he failed the philosophy, but OBVIOUSLY he has the skills of the samurai. If you 'knew' the character, you should have known that.

Say for example, the phillosopy of a swimmer is that you have to be one with the ocean. well i dont believe that, but i can still swim

did I say he didnt have the skills of a samurai. He is a failed samurai because he cant control himself. I know the character because I have been reading X-men since 1982. I like Wolverine but I dont like the crazy power upgrades and stupid writing choices that have been made

 

[Darthphere]

This is ridiculous, I not getting involved in these fanboy arguements. Fine Wolverine can do anything including beating Galactus and the Celestials, and The Living Tribunal all at the same time.

 

[MyPokerShirt]

He would die in the vaccum of space fairly quickly.

concrete shoes and the bottom of a river would work as well then? course those huge nail files of his would have to be incapacitated.

 

[Darthphere]

About the failed samurai comment. I brought it up because he can whoop on samurai's. Hes that good fighting wise but thats enough for Wolverine fans.

 

[hippy fascist]

This is ridiculous, I not getting involved in these fanboy arguements. Fine Wolverine can do anything including beating Galactus and the Celestials, and The Living Tribunal all at the same time.

Finally some sense. I spent many years doing jiu-jitsu and we used to have a bit of a rivalry with the local tae kwon do club. I would regularly wipe the floor with those guys(well except for one but he was nails ). Now just cuase I beat them does that make me a tae kwon do master? No it doesn't it means I'm good at jiu jitsu. Wolverine is a brawler and as a ****ing amazing brawler he was able to beat a samurai, It doesn't make him a samurai.He tried to become a samurai and failed, therefore failed samurai End of argument!

Now lets get back to e-*****slapping each other over his healing factor please.

 

[Kotagg]

But there is no threat of death since they will never die.

I'm genuinely surprised that no one (such as Darth) mentioned the key difference between in-world and out-of-world classification. Sure, in real life we know that Spider-Man won't die. He's an icon and a money-maker, and people would go nuts if he did.

IN-world, it's possible he'll die at any turn. Do you see any thought bubbles from Petey saying "Well, I'm gonna go challenge Galactus by myself, because it's obvious Joe Q isn't going to approve my death." No, you don't.

However, the slapstick factor of Wolverine is IN-world. IN-CHARACTER, why would he have any fear? You could seriously see a bubble saying "Well, I can't die, so what is there to lose?" In fact, you almost see that in the issue with Nitro, where he mutters about how painful it's going to be to be blown up.

At this point, Wolverine is almost a parody of himself.

And you know what the major issue here is? People (I'm talking to you, Horrorfan) are tryin to quantify fighting ability and mutant power. This is ridiculous, and it's a constant failing in comic fans.

You can't quantify a healing factor versus the ability to turn into living fire. You can't quantify super strength versus invisibility. In any given situation, one can be more valuable than the other.

There are obvious situations where quantifying can work: if you have an arm-wrestling contest between Thing and Kitty Pride, the result is simple. However, this whole "No Wolverine's fighting ability is much more evolved than Daredevil's" is bull****. They are trained in completely different styles of fighting, and the results of a combat do not have to be identical every time.

 

[hippy fascist]

I'm genuinely surprised that no one (such as Darth) mentioned the key difference between in-world and out-of-world classification. Sure, in real life we know that Spider-Man won't die. He's an icon and a money-maker, and people would go nuts if he did.

IN-world, it's possible he'll die at any turn. Do you see any thought bubbles from Petey saying "Well, I'm gonna go challenge Galactus by myself, because it's obvious Joe Q isn't going to approve my death." No, you don't.

However, the slapstick factor of Wolverine is IN-world. IN-CHARACTER, why would he have any fear? You could seriously see a bubble saying "Well, I can't die, so what is there to lose?" In fact, you almost see that in the issue with Nitro, where he mutters about how painful it's going to be to be blown up.

At this point, Wolverine is almost a parody of himself.

And you know what the major issue here is? People (I'm talking to you, Horrorfan) are tryin to quantify fighting ability and mutant power. This is ridiculous, and it's a constant failing in comic fans.

You can't quantify a healing factor versus the ability to turn into living fire. You can't quantify super strength versus invisibility. In any given situation, one can be more valuable than the other.

There are obvious situations where quantifying can work: if you have an arm-wrestling contest between Thing and Kitty Pride, the result is simple. However, this whole "No Wolverine's fighting ability is much more evolved than Daredevil's" is bull****. They are trained in completely different styles of fighting, and the results of a combat do not have to be identical every time.

While Wolverine and Daredevil do have different fighting styles you can say who would win. The way they've been writing him recently Wolverine would kick the **** out of Thor for god's (no pun intended) sake, which is what this thread is SUPPOSED to be about. Now let's get bag to ocking Wolverine please

 

[Kotagg]

You're not seeing my point though; I was responding to comments made about fighting skill and things of that nature.