The Dark Knight How will the Dark Knight end?

wedge isn't that far afield. 3 part story arcs (a common device these days and before) have part 2 end on a downbeat. here's what i posted before, elsewhere:

lastly, i see joker around for next movie, and dent as villain to be dispatched in this one. think bats will have to save dent from joker (not that hokey 'arrest me,' bit in TLH). dent has limited use. bale said in some foreign press that the movie is about the toll of doing what he does, and how he might sustain the motivation without crossing lines into criminality. dent will be the mirror to hold up to bats. dent's been at it longer, with less resources (humble beginnings scene), more to lose (loving family still alive and imperiled scene; no wife as holiday) and 'one bad day' pushes him over the line. saving dent will be bats' motivation, as it is attempt to save himself. he won't. we might even have gordon get some damage (daughter?) and teeter on the edge (so in next film, the two draw closer). this is the empire strikes back of batman, where the bad guys (joker, riddler, a third) end on top. the 'freaks' will rule gotham at the end.
(my wish: bats at the end does cross the line and kill someone and it won't be justified away in the third movie, but used for conflict w/ gordon in act 2 of movie 3; act one being bats and gordon licking wounds and growing closer)
also:
'jeremiah fits thematically with what i suppose to this film to be: the toll of fighting crime. and 'escalation.'
for bats, he is pushed to cross lines he'd rather not, especially as the mob pushes lines it would rather not (using 'freaks' and burning harvey [outfit rules prohibit harming prosecutors, made-men]); both sides ratchet up the stakes.
gordon is the everyman, a law-and-order cop who loses sleep, time with family, a marriage in his pursuit of justice, but not his humanity.
dent is the zealot/true-believer, a mirror of batman and gordon; everyman humble beginnings who gets power (as DA; like bats gets training and has $ for his power) and loses sleep, time with family, a marriage in his pursuit of justice. however, he will lose his humanity, sanity (though who is to say his 'justice is insane???) and half his face.
jeremiah [arkham]is the do-gooder; wealthy (like bruce), who gets power (control of arkham; which he razes after the breakout to replace with a new asylum designed for special criminals with the help of wayne enterprises). he will also lose, not in a twist revealed by his character name, but in plot, when at the end, all the inmates he thought he could rehabilitate, escape, destroy most or all of the mob lords, and become the new crime families of gotham.
bats will face the costs of his war, the escalation: gordon's personal life in shambles (maybe barabara paralyzed), dent scarred and insane, jeremiah powerless and crazy. All those who fight alongside him lose something. What has bruce lost?
This is no longer about bruce's vengance, it has begun to cost dearly to those who help him. the war has escalated and both sides now stand to lose more than their freedom; anyone involved must now risk their sanity, their lives and the lives of those they love.

to back me up: who was the criminal put away in BB early scene? answer: Zsasz'

so the last scene will be of petty crime run rampant, like in the days when thomas and martha were killed, but worse. bats questioning whether he has made gotham better or worse.
 
you just love that Jeremiah Arkham theory huh

i do. riddler is impossible to bring to the screen;see the schumacher route or the marilyn manson 'the batman' angle. penguin even more difficult. Ra's wasn't mainstream and nolan used it but eliminated the supernatural. I still say nolan sees batman as 'the godfather' meets 'star wars,' that is he sees it as a crime drama with archetypal figures stretched to encompass comics, but also other, bigger myths. nolan is a filmmaker, not a fanboy and interested in thematic continuity more than anything else. to him, characters are neither big or small, but only pieces that might fit his story.
 
ignoring the whole frank gorshin/john glover portrayals, I guess
He turns back around and see's Dent with his arm raised and a nice classic magnum pointed straight at him. Blows his face all over the bottles/optics lined up behind the bar.
maybe he could mutter "two faces are better than none" in a dirty harry voice
 
do you really think gorshin's riddler would fit in nolan's batman? he's Saw-lite, and to amp him up to make him like Saw would seem a rip-off. (btw, i hate the saw movies). games of death to teach people life lessons. thought it was stupid the first time and it didn't get any better. ever even heard of such a person in real life? name him/her. those who kill, do so from self-preservation and more often for self-gratification.
riddler as a mob-informant, physically weak, but with axes to grind and an ego surpassing his reach? fine. but don't and i mean, don't put any question marks on his clothes. i know criminals, and most are really stupid; the best might read and write.
 
since when does the riddler kill

he doesn't. i don't think i said he did. but where's the tension when riddler is around? ooooh, a riddle. if i don't solve it, something kinda bad might happen. a man in a green suit with question marks all over it will laugh at me and call me stupid. maybe he'll riddle me into going to a bar where organ thieves will get me. he might even present another riddle. frightening. if you like crosswords, subscribe to the NY times.
again, i ask, give me a real person remotely close to the riddler. a gay man who hides his HIV status from his partners? scary, yes, but riddles without consequences are just riddles, and only those inclined to give a damn do.
 
as far as I know there are other crimes and felonies besides murder
 
as far as I know there are other crimes and felonies besides murder

what the F*** does that have to do with this thread? riddler is a felon? but not a murderer? not any scarier. for the record, i am a criminal prosecutor in illinois, and felons come in all shapes and sizes. non-violent felons and even some with violent histories are pretty well-behaved. riddler stole more than $300 worth of goods? scary. a shoplifter with a prior? frightening. driving with a license revoked for DUI? better hide the wife and kids.
face it, and answer the damn question, how can riddler be a viable threat? he's joker with a kinder temperment. if joker is a wildcard (ha, ha) with at least a possibilty of killing people, where does that leave riddler? maybe we'll see in the next movie, but riddler is at best a mope and informer with a big ego.
 
tell that to the investors who just lost their life savings in the riddler's stock market crash
 
The riddler is a very easy character to adapt to the screen. I can't sort through all your rambling so let me say this. Jeremiah Arkham is a name that if revealed his identity it woudln't spoil anything for anyone a name like Dr. Nygma has more ground but that is about AMH and I don't feel like defending it. The riddler has many routes he could take. If you want a "realistic" approach then just have him have traits similar to The Zodiac, he sends clues to newspapers and gotham PD moving on I think you are looking too far into the mystery like the people who claimed to see the devil in the twin towers smoke.
 
So....this guy walks into a bar, no, no wait, this is it...

To this point the joke is in the arkham nut barn, salvatore is up on charges, batman and gordon are in the midst of a rooftop meeting, it is raining, hard... like 10 million tiny drums that never cease, banging on anything they come upon, escatating...

In the courtroom, salvatore maroni is on the stand, he is wringing his hands, head in his lap, harvey dent is forcefully questioning him, berating him, "isn't that true...you funded the joker, you are the root cause of all this misfortune...what do you have to say for yourself!!!" dent is now bent over, leaning into the witness stand, maroni, head still down, reaches into his pocket grabbing at his handkerchief, "tears, now mr maroni, for whom.." snides dent. Maroni raises his head, face to face with dent now, lifts his hand and forcefully blows into dents face, dent jerks away, red powder now covering the left side of his face, he pokes at his eye...."ahhhhh, burning.." he moans "****...you scum", he croaks. "Get this man some water bailiff." says the judge. Dent wipes a wet rag across the powdered left side of his face activating the acid component in the powder that maroni had carried into the courtroom in a clear plastic vial wrapped in his handkerchief. Camera pans away from dent...face in his hands, towards the back of the courtroom and out into the hall as dent begins to yell, then louder then screaming....until it dies away and then...

A white tiled ceiling, a bright light, cut to a door with a tiny window, a man inside in a straightjacket, green hair, wild, footsteps, rearview of a mans head, then sideview as he peers through the window, shakes his head, taps on glass, "time to eat freakshow", he mutters. The man inside turns his head ever so slightly, there is a clatter as a metal tray is sat aside, then a loud thump....then the lock turning, "no need to lay facedown this time lug?", says the bound man, "No need with me my unfortunate lad, not this time". The green haired man turns revealing milky white skin, smeared eyeblack and a clowns messy red smile smeared across his face, his mouth, ragged at the edges, has been stitched professionally. The Joker comes face to face with Ras al ghul.

"You once said escalation", says bruce in voiceover " a society gone mad, beyond repair...I still say it's worth saving." "tonight sir, lets just try dancing.", says alfred as he places a topcoat acros wayne's shoulders, leading him towards a heavy door. Cut to Wayne arriving at a restaurant, he is immediately led towards a table. "Your companian has already arrived.", informs the maitre d. "Thank you Godfrey." answers wayne. "Bruce wayne", purrs Jessica Biel, still seated, "selina kyle, " answers bruce "finally we meet."

credits roll....

then...tick, tic,k tick, tick, tick...a loud clock instead of the usual music....

then...black screen, green latters scroll...

300 or so
blind for a time
1 in dead center
audacity to rhyme
some will be lucky
some, perhaps not
don't read into too much
'cause thats all we got...

screen brightens, a crowded theater, a man in the middle is laughing softly, camera zooms into his face revealing AMH, pans away revealing....themselves (?). House lights brighten a little, we look around at one another, then towards the center where Hall should be, but only a dummy in riddler garb is seated there, back on screen hall is laughing louder now, then, puts his finger to his pursed lips...SHHHHHHHHHHHHHHHH

BANG!!!!!!!!!

"Poppers" inside the riddler pinata explode sending batlogo confetti across the theatre.

On screen

See you in 2010

Escalation indeed.:yay: :woot: :cwink:
 
Okay, so clearly that was a bit much in storyline as well as in feasability...there would be a heart attack or two at the end...or sprinklers would go off, someone would sue....but d*** it would be fun!:cwink:
 
BOF is saying there are some pics floating around that may be linked to the ending. Anyone know of this?
 
BOF is saying there are some pics floating around that may be linked to the ending. Anyone know of this?

I was just over there and they're freaking out that someone over here gave away the whole ending of the movie. I'm pretty sure they're referring to this thread which a total speculation/imagination thing. Because if someone had real info on the ending I'm going to guess it have it's own thread exploding at the top of the forum right now.
 
BOF is saying there are some pics floating around that may be linked to the ending. Anyone know of this?

I'll put it in spoiler tags, even though we pretty much confirmed it is not the ending...

If I'm looking at the same thread you are, I think they are talking about the joker capture footage where a reporter on scene asks Dent if Bats orchestrated the capture. It was discussed on here and Anjow cleared it up for us... NOT THE END, NOT EVEN CLOSE.
 
more to the point, he posted a story on his front page about the description of joker in jail so it's standard operating hypocrisy
 
more to the point, he posted a story on his front page about the description of joker in jail so it's standard operating hypocrisy

Yeah, I read that and thought to myself - "what an ass! this guy is very much against spoilers, but posted something like that."
 
I think the fact he put it front page further proves its not the ENDING SPOILER... I mean, come on, its BOF... you think that would slip by you know who? NOPE no way!
 
but don't and i mean, don't put any question marks on his clothes. i know criminals, and most are really stupid; the best might read and write.

well that's just the standard of criminals you know. they're not an endangered breed

on the question mark.....i used to know a guy who tattoed his nickname on the back of his neck. the one that police and pretyty much everyone knew him by. seems stupid but he was never caught for anything he did. just saying, wearing a question mark isn;t that ridiculous for people with egos.


not that i'm a big fan of the idea, btw
 
ya its like the "gangstas" that put lil glock or whatever. Many people like to be reckognized by those symbols.
 
yep. if I had my way, movie three would have a Killa Croc with his name engraved in his teeth. platinum and diamonds, a chrome plated handgun, corn rows, etc.
 

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