The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[keithnoir]

If they do ever use a penguin my view of the penguin would be serious version and be like a mob boss that's fat and short... and dresses in black and white tux.

 

[RonStoppablefan]

I'd love to see Black Mask star in the next one. We haven't had him in any film have we yet? I think Nolan can do the guy justice. He is one of my other favorite villains in the Bat world.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I see too many people equating Riddler to Se7en or Saw franchise. If you need a past movie to show how the Riddler could be look to Die Hard with a Vengenance

 

[scatterax]

double post

 

[scatterax]

If they do ever use a penguin my view of the penguin would be serious version and be like a mob boss that's fat and short... and dresses in black and white tux.

...but with a more sophisticated accent. and not make him a stereotypical gangster, w/ an i guess new york or italian accent, or wutever it is they make every other mob boss sound like in these batman movies. heck, i wouldn't even mind it if they just gave him a british accent. he just has to sound intelligent and aristocratic. cuz if he doesn't he's not the penguin. he'd just be another run of the mill boring mob boss.

 

[scatterax]

I see too many people equating Riddler to Se7en or Saw franchise. If you need a past movie to show how the Riddler could be look to Die Hard with a Vengenance

i havn't seen that yet. but anyway, wut i wuz wunderin is why compare him to sum other movie killer at all? shouldn't nolan base the riddler more on his comic book counterpart instead of copy sum other movie? i mean nolan really doesn't change any other villains as much as sum people tend to think. like he didn't change ras to be more like osama bin laden (or how ever u spell it.) he juz took away his immortality. (which is apparently debatable.)

i think alot of people don't realise that the only characters u'd need 2 change to make them fit in to the new batman movies are the characters w/ powers like clayface. the riddler's 1 of the few characters u don't need 2 mess w/ so y not just leave him the way hes supposed 2 be?

(well they mite of changed 2faces back story, but i think they kept the character pretty much the same. and the joker seems the same as allways, he just says his lines a lil different then we would halve if we tried to play the joker so...)

 

[Hole Shot]

What I would think could work in a Nolan story is Gotham's underworld controlled by the freaks centered around a mob war between Penguin and Black Mask. Riddler is in the film, but is taken down early (but more significant than Scarecrow). Riddler will appear later in Arkham in a questioning session with Bats.

And yes Catwoman, what she can do really well is serve the Nolan twist and turn type plot because she doesn't serve a side.

 

[Hamill-Joker]

If you need a past movie to show how the Riddler could be look to Die Hard with a Vengeance

You took the words right out of my mouth.

In fact, Jeremy Irons would be interesting in the role of The Riddler.

 

[MovieGeekFreak]

NO, no and NO to Catwoman. We've had enough Catwoman.

The Riddler is the best, most logical choice. Followed by Mr. Freeze. If we have a secondary minor villain, than either the Penguin or Bane.

Mr.Freeze!!!! NO NO NO!!!!!

catwoman would fit great into Nolan's batman universe and the riddler would too idk about the penguin but they mentioned the iceberg lounge in the Gotham Times

i think Talia al Ghul is the best choice

 

[Gamingboy]

By request, I bring to you (WITH SPOILER WARNING)

Black Mask

After the deaths or incarceration of most of Gotham's criminal underworld after TDK, several replacements came in. Some, like Oswald Cobblepot, had eccentricities that led to them getting colorful names befitting people like the Joker. Others, like Rupert Thorne, were more traditional mobsters. Roman Sionis was somewhere in between. His organization seemed to be much like the operations of Falcone and Maroni, only it had the sadistic daring that would make the Joker proud. Nobody was safe from the "Black Masks", especially those in Thorne's organization. Thorne's sister was murdered in front of her Kindergarten class, for example, and Thorne's brother (a doctor) saw his license be revoked. The GCPD was powerless to stop him, as he had several key business connections that allowed him to sneak through the system. Even the Batman could do little, as Sionis had a trump card: a former CSI from the GCPD who had examined several of the people who had apparently been murdered by Batman had proof, PROOF, that it was not Batman but Harvey Dent that killed them. Not wanting to plunge his city into a darkness beyond help, Batman had to instead wait for the true authorities to get him.

Thorne's gang, however, would have nothing like this. When Thorne's wife was kidnapped and tortured by Sionis (just for kicks), the gloves were off. Thorne sent his best men to get him, and get him they did: They took him and threw him into a vat of hot molasses. He survived, barely, but was grotesquely disfigured, especially his face, which had essentially become a bleached black and his skin had become hard, almost like bone. He also became even more sadistic. With this, he became the Black Mask, the most feared criminal mastermind in Gotham.

He would be roughly shown like the "War Games" Black Mask. That guy was a total creep. In my hypothetical "Riddler" storyline for B3, he would strike a deal with the Riddler: If Black Mask gets the ex-CSI to reveal the truth about the "Batman Murders" and thus restore the Batman to the infallible figure that the Riddler imagines him to be, the Riddler will kill Tony Zucco, the man who threw Black Mask into that vat of Molasses (this would lead to irony when Batman saves Zucco... thus also condemning the Flying Graysons to death in the future)

 

[Dark Sentinel]

The Riddler could be done Zodiac-style, and it could prove to be very scary. Catwoman or Selina Kyle, could be introduced as one of Bruce's old girlfriends from high school. She moved away to NY then back to Gotham..suddenly she's a wealthy socialite, and Bruce wonders how she gets her money

 

[StorminNorman]

The Riddler is NOT a main villain. The guy is a fairly pathetic villain. You can't go from complete anarchy in the form of the Joker to...the Riddler. There is no escalation there. Hell - The Riddler doesn't propose half the threat the Scarecrow does.

That being said - I want to see the Riddler. I also want to see Mad Hatter and Catwoman and Black Mask and Scarecrow and Ventriloquist.

Basically the way I see it - after TDK all the organized crime heads have been taken out, either by Dent/Gordon or Two Face or Joker.

Who fills this new and even larger void? The Freaks. Costumed crazies are the new face of crime, a movement inspired by the Joker.

Mad Hatter is a pedophile rapist.

Black Mask, the Penguin and the Ventriloquist are mob leaders.

Scarecrow has his gang.

The Riddler is a petty criminal that uses riddles to frustrate and befuddle the cops.

For a while they work alone, isolated. The Cops and Batman have success against them. Crime, in spite of the new growing wave of insane criminals, is falling.

But then things change. It becomes apparent that these small time freaks are being manipulated by a force. A force that has a personal vendetta against Batman.

Take the Hush story line - and I would replace Talia Al Ghul for Hush. Include Catwoman as well, weaving her in and out of the story playing both sides of the law. She steals one nights, plays informant for Batman the next.

This, IMO, is the best way to take this story.

 

[Microchip]

As for the Riddler, Gamingboy, I like your take on it. Personally, I'd probably have it more like...

A special unit lead by a shady cop in the Gotham PD hires the Edward Nigma to uncover the mystery of who Batman is, after hearing he can solve any riddle possible. From there, the Riddler becomes obessed over it, going to exteme lengths and testing his leader's patience until he eventually turns on the GPD, believing them to be hampering his efforts.

He could eventually realize the only way he could find out for sure is to begin kidnapping people, committing crimes and leaving riddles, and watching to see who responds, eventually zoning in on Bruce Wayne.

Just my two cents! It's pretty close to your idea, actually.

 

[scatterax]

salina kyle should def be in the next batman movie; whether she becomes catwoman or not. the ridller should be the main villain and 2face should come back near the end or sometime in the last half; but def not 2 early.

 

[MovieGeekFreak]

The Riddler could be done Zodiac-style, and it could prove to be very scary. Catwoman or Selina Kyle, could be introduced as one of Bruce's old girlfriends from high school. She moved away to NY then back to Gotham..suddenly she's a wealthy socialite, and Bruce wonders how she gets her money

i like your Riddler idea, but the Selina idea,is just wrong. Her being and old gf of Bruce...no but she can be the love interest in the movie

 

[OwlBoy]

Yea, Bruce was a rich kid raised around rich kids. No one he grew up wouldn't have had money.

 

[chaos123x]

I would like to see a team up of the Mad Hatter and Scare Crow.

Have the Mad Hatter make a Haallungenic Gas based on the fear toxin that makes people be in a suggestive state so they are easy to control.

It could be set in the realistic world of Nolan's universe and still keep some very strange trippy Alice in Wonderland visuals because they would be hallucinations (much like the scenes in Begins).

The Mad Hatter could obsessed with same love interest of Bruce Wayne stalking her.

OR

You could make the Mad Hatter a really demented pedophile and have him like Pied Piper that uses the gas to get children to come with him, while the Scare Crow gets to torment and scare people, but more so then in begins.

 

[BatJokerFace]

The only direction in which to take the third installment, at least thematically speaking, is by escalating what The Joker started.

The next installment should be called Gotham City. The costumed "freaks" and villains need to make more appearances. No more fake Batmans, but a lot more individualized personalities with their unique psycho-traumas and traits. Starting with:

Bane: The main villain for the next film, Bane should hearken to the challenge of Batman in single unarmed combat. He works in partnership with the new mafia elite to find and kill Batman, winning public favor in the process since Batman is widely discredited as a dangerous vigilante. He is also the secret beneficiary of a dangerous steroid with which the new mob floods the streets.

Whereas Ra's al-Ghul and The Joker wanted to destroy Gotham City, Bane only wants to rule it. Philosophically, his persona demonstrates the danger extralegal norms present when the public accepts them - in this case masked vigilantism and criminality - as normal. (Major Role)

The Riddler: A small-time would-be villain with as small a role, except when, obsessed with Batman's identity, he kidnaps Mr. Reese and uses him as the component to a dangerous riddle. Bane dashes his riddle-games when he tracks and beats The Riddler to learn Batman's identity. (Medium Role)

Catwoman: A prostitute-turned-thief originally from the Narrows, she serves as one of the less dangerous criminal elements and the only one upon whom Batman relies for information he needs. She uses the name "Catwoman" as a codename to share information with Batman, whom she admires. (Medium Role)

Black Mask: He would serve as one of the major crime bosses, recruiting from Sal Moroni's group of gang members to form a new syndicate. He uses his position to flood the streets of Gotham with an enhanced steroid called Venom, from which Bane benefits. (Major Role)

The Penguin: Oswald "The Penguin" Cobblepot is a major arms and drugs supplier from Britain. He sees opportunity in Gotham's chaos and uses his political leverage to supply the mafia elements, particularly Black Mask, with semiautomatics, narcotics, and Venom. (Small Role)

The Ventriloquist: One of the more absurd criminals who result from The Joker's chaos and someone who represents the extent to which Gotham has declined, he serves as one of the major crime lords next to Black Mask. (Small Role)

Harvey Two-Face: Will he be back in the third film? If he is, he should serve as a new major thematic element: the redeemer. He should be a major player behind the scenes - an unspoken force like Ra's al-Ghul - until he winds up shooting Bane and barely preventing him from killing Batman. Thus serving in the role of redeemer. (Potentially Major Role)

 

[StorminNorman]

I would prefer Deathstroke over Bane.

 

[CrAnE]

Hey Umm I dont know if anyone has already brung this up, but I dont think any remaning Batman villians can make the third film as awsome as TDK. So with that said what if the next villian was Superman?

Think about it, the Superman franchise is going downhill. Batman is now the flagship for Warners and DC and by the time watchmen comes out Supes with fall to #3.

So get kind of a TDK returns feel to the third one but make it a Batman movie not BvS.

That makes THE most sense, Batman is now wanted and Superman can come off as a complete dick. And it would be soooooo cool to see Bats beat the hell outta supes.

The Nolans and Goyer's Batman is already based loosely on Frank Miller's so why not do a loose version of The Dark Knight Returns? Hell that can even be the title?

Am I making sense?

 

[chaseter]

No Superman...get out of here.

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

I like BatJokerFace's idea. The key is for all these villains to blend into their role and take backseats to the major villians (sorta like Scarecrow in both movies, Falcone, Maroni, Mr. Zsasz, etc.). This can definitely work if you get unselfish actors like the ones they've already hired (Oldman, Eckhart, Freeman, Caine).

 

[cerealkiller182]

I think if Nolan can do cell phone sonar and memory cloth cape and fear toxin, then he should be able to do Bane (super steroid cocktail sorta thing) and Mr. Freeze (CO2 gun or something) with little re-interpretation.

 

[OwlBoy]

Bane's venom as a super-steroid that sends him into a beserker rage is completely within reason and his origin isn't too far fetched beyond that.

They could paint him as the vanguard of a South American drug cartel that wants to set up shop in Gotham now that the mob is done for and sees Batman as its only true obstacle.

Also why does everyone want Catwoman to be a prostitute? I understand her coming from the Narrows but making her a prostitute just smacks of oversexualization. Why can't she just be an amazing thief who worked her way up from nothing?

 

[cerealkiller182]

Bane's venom as a super-steroid that sends him into a beserker rage is completely within reason and his origin isn't too far fetched beyond that.

They could paint him as the vanguard of a South American drug cartel that wants to set up shop in Gotham now that the mob is done for and sees Batman as its only true obstacle.

Your first line is great. your second line is crap. Why even go there? Drug cartel? Why cant he just be a hitman after the Bat (like in the animated series) or a man who wants to challenge the Bat (like in the comics)?

If Im not mistaken. I believe Bane has been an enemy to South american drug lords.