The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[OwlBoy]

Your first line is great. your second line is crap. Why even go there? Drug cartel? Why cant he just be a hitman after the Bat (like in the animated series) or a man who wants to challenge the Bat (like in the comics)?

If Im not mistaken. I believe Bane has been an enemy to South american drug lords.

I'm trying top think logically, there's a huge power vacuum left after the second movie. The Joker sets up the freaks wanting to come in but originized crime is always going to want a cut.

 

[Gamingboy]

I reads somewhere that there is one gene that serves as something of a stop-plug of how much muscles can grow. A baby was born in Germany a few years ago with the gene deactivated and apparently already is starting to look like a Mini-Bane/Mini-Hulk. And cows and other livestock that have similar mutations are absolutely frigging huge. Gotta wonder if the "Venom Supersteroid" would just be deactivating that gene while pumping in regular steroids.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I'm trying top think logically, there's a huge power vacuum left after the second movie. The Joker sets up the freaks wanting to come in but originized crime is always going to want a cut.

Its not very logical though.

The power vaccuum isnt really there. Joker seems more like a cautionary story for anyone who wants to challenge Batman, while there is enough mobsters in Gotham to take most of the power.

Batman is turned villainous and sure to become a fixture in the media as a "menace to society" putting a target on his forehead for any would be hired gun or in Banes case a man who wants to prove hes better.

I dont see the logic in turning a man who takes down drug lords into a drug lord.

 

[DieSmiling]

I reads somewhere that there is one gene that serves as something of a stop-plug of how much muscles can grow. A baby was born in Germany a few years ago with the gene deactivated and apparently already is starting to look like a Mini-Bane/Mini-Hulk. And cows and other livestock that have similar mutations are absolutely frigging huge. Gotta wonder if the "Venom Supersteroid" would just be deactivating that gene while pumping in regular steroids.

Interesting idea. I like it, good application of Bane to the Nolanverse.

 

[OwlBoy]

Fine, I'll concede the point.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I reads somewhere that there is one gene that serves as something of a stop-plug of how much muscles can grow. A baby was born in Germany a few years ago with the gene deactivated and apparently already is starting to look like a Mini-Bane/Mini-Hulk. And cows and other livestock that have similar mutations are absolutely frigging huge. Gotta wonder if the "Venom Supersteroid" would just be deactivating that gene while pumping in regular steroids.

Interesting.

If this is what Nolan needs to use Bane i guess that works.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Fine, I'll concede the point.

Its just theres too many fanboys overthinking how these characters work when they work fine the way they are. Nolan just has to nip/tuck the things that need a more realistic grounded explanation for his own good (cause I could really care less)

 

[OwlBoy]

Which is why I hate the Prostitute!Catwoman idea. Why can't she just be a master thief who's made her way to Gotham? That doesn't make her boring it makes her a wildcard cause she's out for self not for a greater cause like "justice" or "righteousness" or even "chaos".

 

[BatJokerFace]

I like this gene deactivation theory a lot - perhaps it could be used to explain why Venom works so well?

In any case, I think Bane would function more realistically and better thematically than any other villain besides Ra's al-Ghul and The Joker. The perfect adversary for Batman, someone so intelligent he can at least partially determine Batman's identity and so strong he can overpower him physically. And he represents the culmination of escalation: acceptance by the public of power outside the law.

In response to an earlier post, Catwoman doesn't need to be a prostitute-turned-thief, but I think it would add to the realism. Anyway, it takes a page from Batman: Year One, since Selina Kyle is a prostitute in that graphic novel.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I dont see how Catwoman being a prostitute before a theif makes her anymore realistic. That makes no sense.

Id rather her be an average Joe (or Mary I guess) cause finally a character who is just a thrillseeker not some "bounce back" costumed character.

Batman: Why do it?
Catwoman: Why not?

Truly spunky and sassy

 

[BatJokerFace]

No matter how Selina Kyle is adapted, I think it would be fantastic if she came from The Narrows. I wish Nolan had reused The Narrows in TDK.

I think it would also add a few dimensions to the story and ease the tragedy in TDK by making Catwoman someone Batman relied upon for information. She's a wild-card, so Batman doesn't completely trust her, but she's not one of the costumed crazies blowing up half of Gotham or exploiting it criminally. That way, she could remain, if anything, a flirtation, and maybe she could play a major role in the end, like Gordon in BB?

On that note, how could she be dressed realistically? Batman's suit is functional, The Joker's face-paint is an improvement on the naturally dyed skin, and I could see Catwoman dressed in black, but the mask and ears, or the whip? A little less realistic in - to borrow this forum's phrase - Nolanverse.

Any ideas?

 

[Silver Souper]

it's gotta be bane. bats has yet to face a real physical enemy- one that can break, bleed and wear him down to zero. i want to write and direct a bats vs. bane movie- really get the camera close to batman and follow him on some slow, brewing and carefully unfolding encounters where he interacts more with his environments and there's a greater sense of atmosphere. the only place to go after TDK's rapid pace is to a slower, more atmospheric spy/mystery with bats vs bane and seperately- the riddler, who continues to turn the city against bats. i want to see bats bleeding out of his nose and mouth while in the batsuit- crawling back to alfred, just about beat beyond the point where he can even function to protect.

 

[Gamingboy]

BTW, I just remembered that the gene I was talking about controls the Myostatin proteins, which is sort of a reverse growth-hormone for muscles. And that cow I was talking about? It's called a Belgian Blue, a breed of cows that have been created through some selective breeding of cows that lack that don't have the Myostatin gene activated.

Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you a cow on Venom:

And, for further gawking, a "Bully Whippet", a whippet (normally just skin and bones) that doesn't have that gene turned on:

Now imagine a human like that (you are now either imagining Bane or the Hulk)! And scientists are actually trying to figure out how to make this happen in humans! (mainly to solve things like muscular dystrophy, but let's face it: It would totally become a steroid.)

Now, I'm not saying that Bane should be the next villain, but I am saying that if there is ever going to be a genuinely super-powered villain (i.e. not just a really good brain or some really spooky natural fear toxins) in the rather-real Nolanverse, Bane would probably be the way to go.

 

[cerealkiller182]

No matter how Selina Kyle is adapted, I think it would be fantastic if she came from The Narrows. I wish Nolan had reused The Narrows in TDK.

I think it would also add a few dimensions to the story and ease the tragedy in TDK by making Catwoman someone Batman relied upon for information. She's a wild-card, so Batman doesn't completely trust her, but she's not one of the costumed crazies blowing up half of Gotham or exploiting it criminally. That way, she could remain, if anything, a flirtation, and maybe she could play a major role in the end, like Gordon in BB?

On that note, how could she be dressed realistically? Batman's suit is functional, The Joker's face-paint is an improvement on the naturally dyed skin, and I could see Catwoman dressed in black, but the mask and ears, or the whip? A little less realistic in - to borrow this forum's phrase - Nolanverse.

Any ideas?

The fact that the mask and ears and whip would be a direct product of a run in with Batman. "If he can do it, why cant I?" mentality, then i see it being very realistic in the Nolanverse. It embodies the escalation theme which already explains so many odd rogues that could come into continuity. The whip could be very functional for someone who spends time on rooftops. The suit it self would be a functional cat burglar outfit similar to the most recent with the googles and tight fabric with a basic utility belt (more like a gun belt or tool belt) of course she could always break into Wayne Industries and steal some Bat tech but no body armor.

Catwoman would definitely fit the bill as the secondary villain just because shes not a mastermind or a threat. Her interactions with Batman would be widely different than Crane and Ras and Joker, especially since there will most likely be double duty as Selina Kyle, love interest.

I say put Bane at the top as the main villain. Nolan seems to not want to reuse characters except for Joker and Two Face (which are the most essential villains that have already been used IMO) but Banes appearance shouldnt even count.

 

[BatJokerFace]

I could agree with that.

I think, however, she deserves a better treatment. More than merely a secondary villain, Catwoman could easily be key to the third film, if she is an ally.

I think she could be a great informant for Batman and possible romantic interest.

 

[cerealkiller182]

I mean shes not the main threat. Her supporting role is not hindered by her not being the main villain. She probably do better without being the main villain since her character is liked for toeing the line and flirting with both Batman/Bruce Wayne and mixing it up with the GCPD and the mobsters alike.

 

[REDophile]

Goyer may have ruled out Catwoman and the Penguin, but that might not end up being the case. Remember he said #3 would involve Joker on trial and scarring Two-Face, which already happened in TDK. At this point they are just throwing out ideas. The likes Catwoman, Penguin and the Riddler are the blockbuster villains everyone knows about, and to top what Ledger did with the Joker and the success of TDK they would need one of them.

That being said, the Riddler ought to be the main villain of #3. They should also use a guy like Hush as a minor rogue like Maroni in TDK. Similar to Harvey Dent, the character of Selina Kyle should be the "backbone" of the story, as Bruce's romantic draw after the death of Rachel. Than she can become Catwoman later on.

 

[scatterax]

BTW, I just remembered that the gene I was talking about controls the Myostatin proteins, which is sort of a reverse growth-hormone for muscles. And that cow I was talking about? It's called a Belgian Blue, a breed of cows that have been created through some selective breeding of cows that lack that don't have the Myostatin gene activated.

Ladies and gentlemen, I bring you a cow on Venom:

And, for further gawking, a "Bully Whippet", a whippet (normally just skin and bones) that doesn't have that gene turned on:

Now imagine a human like that (you are now either imagining Bane or the Hulk)! And scientists are actually trying to figure out how to make this happen in humans! (mainly to solve things like muscular dystrophy, but let's face it: It would totally become a steroid.)

Now, I'm not saying that Bane should be the next villain, but I am saying that if there is ever going to be a genuinely super-powered villain (i.e. not just a really good brain or some really spooky natural fear toxins) in the rather-real Nolanverse, Bane would probably be the way to go.

those r the most disturbing pix i've seen in a while. but now that u mention genetically altered animals lets have farmer brown from the tv show as the next batman villain!!!!

 

[Hotwire]

Catwoman: A thief by nature, then scorned by Bruce. Falls for Batman, but overall, this would be more of a lvoe story than an action flick. She could really only be a second villian.

Riddler: Would be a hard one to pull off, because of how the Joker was done this time around. The only way he could be a major threat to the city would be for him to act as a terrorist, with each of his riddles becoming more and more deadly.

Penguin: Not really workable except as some sort of a crime boss. Would be interesting to see how far Nolan would take his bird-like appearence.

Bane: In my opinion, the most Nolan-able villian. Make him a muscleman for a mob boss who ends up forcing his way to the top. Also, the most impossing physical challange for Batman.

 

[CHEZ]

All these freakish photos on the previous page give plausibility to bring in a raging monster into the third film. It is life imitating art. It is science fiction becoming science fact.

The third Batman film has to out-do Dark Knight. That is an extremely difficult task, given the powerful performances and storyline.
Bringing in Riddler is fine but it really would end up being just another psychopath making Batman, Gordon and all of Gotham spin in circles.
They do another movie like that, then it will most certainly suffer from endless comparisons, resulting in the end of this franchise for a long time.

They need to go for broke and introduce a creature that will go on a mindless rampage.

Whether it be Man-Bat, or Killer Croc or an even crazier version of Bane, this threat needs to bring Gotham to its knees in a way far more horrifying than the Joker did in DK.

Right now Gotham hates Batman. But if there is an unstoppable creature loose in the city, then Batman would be their only hope.

Thus, Batman redeems himself.

 

[Brooklyn Zoo]

Maybe something like Bane terrorizing people like an animal and Riddler doing it with his head? Two different types of dilemmas for Batman.

 

[CHEZ]

Maybe something like Bane terrorizing people like an animal and Riddler doing it with his head? Two different types of dilemmas for Batman.

Interesting idea...

I would prefer not seeing Bane for the mere fact that he could end up suffering comparisons to the Incredible Hulk

 

[Gamingboy]

Interesting idea...

I would prefer not seeing Bane for the mere fact that he could end up suffering comparisons to the Incredible Hulk

Yes, but Bane is not the hulk. He's far smarter then the Hulk. He looks nothing like the Hulk other then the muscles.

 

[MovieGeekFreak]

yeah no Bane, i dont think he can fit into Nolans universe





TALIA AL GHULt:

 

[Gamingboy]

I've finally found a picture of a human who has a deactivated Myostatin gene.

Holy hell! It's Bane!