The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[WeaponXProject]

He could be a good character. Being an arms dealer, he can be as much of a technnology-freak as Batman is. Much of Batman's advantage is that he has always a superior tech... but that may not be the case with Cobblepot.

And it is important that he is regarded as an upstanding citizen in Gotham... a criminal that's blessed by society to contrast Batman's situation as an outcast from society.

The 'just glasses' thing is a good idea.

Falcone is insane, you know? And Maroni took his place, but most of the main gang member were killed in TDK (Gambol, Maroni, the Chechen). So there's a power void in Gotham's mob, and Cobblepot could step in.

I can imagine a mob members meeting in a storage facility during a rainy day... thughs outside check that no one brings guns to the meeting, and Cobblepot doesn't have any... he just enters with his umbrella

Next thing you know, that penguin-dressed guy doesn't like the deal he's being offered and every mob boss at the meeting is killed by machine-gun fire coming out of that umbrella.

that'd be cool

I like that mob meeting with him an arms dealer. I think that could work well.

 

[St. Sanity]

To continue my earlier post and after giving it some thought, here's my take on other villains:

Riddler: Instead of a simple "guy who likes riddles", I think Riddler should be some sort of psychologist, and his prime goal is to get into the psyche of The Batman, see what makes him do the things he does. To further study The Batman's mind, he attempts to lure the Batman into his "playing field" utilizing different codes and riddles, and maybe forms an alliance with the Joker.

Bane: A former bodyguard of Sal Maroni, Bane was beaten and left for dead by Maroni's men after trying to blackmail him. After he recovered, he vowed revenge on Sal and continued to work out and take various drugs in an attempt to reach his physical peak. After taking a near lethal dose of steroids and cocaine, he gained almost superhuman strength, at the cost of his sanity.

 

[Captain_BluTac]

Bane - This is more of my idea how he he should look than his character interpretation, but I think Bane should not wear a mask, instead, he should have a heavily tattoed face like this guy.

Poison Ivy - I was gonna go into some long explanation for this, but I decided I'd cut to the chase, I really want Ivy to be a cougar type character, despite the fact she is middle aged men drop to her feet because the whole plant pheromone thing.

 

[gwynplaine]

Heavily tatooed (on the face) villains make me think of Darth Maul, not a good thing.

 

[The Major]

Captain:

It's an inspired idea.

I can see it working.

 

[Franklin Richards]

But the Tattooed Man is already a character in the DC universe.

 

[HereToComment27]

Bane - This is more of my idea how he he should look than his character interpretation, but I think Bane should not wear a mask, instead, he should have a heavily tattoed face like this guy.

One of the distinctive features of Bane (besides his strength, size, and use of ‘venom’) is his mask. Every fan of Batman can look at a photo of his mask an instantly know that it is Bane. So, a tattooed man, instead of a mask, would not stay “true” to the comics and their adaptations. And as Franklin Richards said, there is already a Tattooed Man in the DC universe.

I say that they (if Bane is used) should stick to the comics. Bane’s original appearance is his best look.

 

[The Major]

One of the distinctive features of Bane (besides his strength, size, and use of ‘venom&#8217 is his mask. Every fan of Batman can look at a photo of his mask an instantly know that it is Bane.

Bane can still have a mask with tatoos on his face. The face tattoo would become his permanent mask. It makes him more unique as a character both visually and mentally.

It could make it more realistic since he would be in Nolan's universe rather then a balaclava or whatever he wears on his head.

So, a tattooed man, instead of a mask, would not stay “true” to the comics and their adaptations. And as Franklin Richards said, there is already a Tattooed Man in the DC universe.

The Tattooed Man doesn't have his face covered by a huge tattoo or mask that I remember.

His gimmick is that he can create tattoo's which come to life, similar to Tattoo in Elektra.

No-one's going to confuse the two characters. They look and act completely different.

I say that they (if Bane is used) should stick to the comics. Bane’s original appearance is his best look.

Can you give me an image of that?

 

[St. Sanity]

Bane can still have a mask with tatoos on his face. The face tattoo would become his permanent mask. It makes him more unique as a character both visually and mentally.

It could make it more realistic since he would be in Nolan's universe rather then a balaclava or whatever he wears on his head.



The Tattooed Man doesn't have his face covered by a huge tattoo or mask that I remember.

His gimmick is that he can create tattoo's which come to life, similar to Tattoo in Elektra.

No-one's going to confuse the two characters. They look and act completely different.



Can you give me an image of that?

Here's an image for you.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

You guys are all so innovative.

Not.

 

[David Rice]

You guys are all so innovative.

Not.

Yeah? Let's hear some of your ideas.

 

[The Major]

Here's an image for you.

Okay.

I wonder how Nolan would do the mask?

 

[Abadleon]

I think introducing Selina AND Talia would be a great idea, really... Have a three-way battle.

http://forums.superherohype.com/showpost.php?p=15548153&postcount=567

 

[CaptainGenerica]

Okay.

I wonder how Nolan would do the mask?

He could probably do it just like it is in that picture, just with normal eye-holes (like Batman's). It's not too outlandish IMO.

 

[The Senator]

There are a few villains whom I think can be easily adapted to fit Nolan's universe.

Hugo Strange would probably be one of the easiest villains to adapt, and I truly believe that he should be in consideration for the next film. He could be an award winning psychologist, perhaps along the lines of Sigmund Freud, who is obsessed with Batman's psyche. He draws a connection between Bruce Wayne and Batman, perhaps when Bruce seeks professional help from Strange, and tries to sell Batman's identity to the mob. He could have his office covered in newspaper clippings from the Batman's exploits, showing a clear obsession with Batman.

I also like the idea of making the Penguin an arms dealer, but instead of having him solely be an arms dealer, he should be a middle man for the mob. He is completely neutral in his dealings, he just wants to make some money off of the gangs which rule Gotham's streets. His role in the next film would be that of an informant. Batman and the MCU are aware that the Penguin is dealing these weapons, but they are willing to grant him immunity in any pending trials simply in exchange for information. Interrogation scenes are most interesting in Nolan's universe, so I can imagine a scene where Batman threatens to pummel the living daylights out of a snobbish, stubborn Penguin.

Instead of being a straightforward villain, Catwoman should be a "semi-vigilante" who is willing to help those she feels are in need, but is also willing to break the law for her own thrill. In the wake of the manhunt against Batman, Catwoman emerges, toying with the police and later Batman. She is her own person, not out for vengeance or havoc, but for excitement.

Black Mask should simply be an eccentric, though ruthless, mob boss who has taken Gotham's gang activity to the next level. While I am a fan of his backstory in the comics, I don't necessarily think it is essential in this franchise, and I would prefer that Black Mask is a mob boss who wears a rubber skull mask which has been spray painted black. It leaves out the need to explore his disfigurement, and it also stays away from any Two-Face comparisons which might emerge. Black Mask is out to do what no other mob boss before him could do, and that's rule Gotham City with an iron fist while eradicating Batman and the MCU.

Finally, Bane seems like a logical choice as well. His look from the comics should remain, and he should be a nameless assassin hired by the mob to kill the Batman. Tying into what I wrote for the Black Mask, Bane could be hired by him to kill Batman and Gordon. He still uses Venom, which I think should be described as a controversial steroid created by the U.S. government, with Bane being the result of a "Super Soldier" program gone wrong. His backstory is not necessary, either, and could easily emerge as a mercenary for hire, an unbeatable physical and mental foe who could put Batman in his place.

 

[GL1]

I'm still very much for the Pamela Isley "queen of gotham" type storyline, removing her as far from plant control as Joker was removed from his 'flag gun' and laughing fish. capitalizing on her more esoteric definition of justice, and testing that against Bruce/Bats' own motives and standards. Poison Ivy has the potential to be really, really epic, and I'd hate to see that wasted because of the cartoon-like incarnation she's had recently.

 

[TimidationGame]

To continue my earlier post and after giving it some thought, here's my take on other villains:

Riddler: Instead of a simple "guy who likes riddles", I think Riddler should be some sort of psychologist, and his prime goal is to get into the psyche of The Batman, see what makes him do the things he does. To further study The Batman's mind, he attempts to lure the Batman into his "playing field" utilizing different codes and riddles, and maybe forms an alliance with the Joker.

Bane: A former bodyguard of Sal Maroni, Bane was beaten and left for dead by Maroni's men after trying to blackmail him. After he recovered, he vowed revenge on Sal and continued to work out and take various drugs in an attempt to reach his physical peak. After taking a near lethal dose of steroids and cocaine, he gained almost superhuman strength, at the cost of his sanity.

Isn't the psychologist role Harleys?

 

[cerealkiller182]

If you make a Batman movie where Batman's rogues can't be used, you failed in adapting Batman

 

[TimidationGame]

If you make a Batman movie where Batman's rogues can't be used, you failed in adapting Batman

Lack of imagination is the only failure. Seeing how many real characters from the rogues gallery Nolan has used so far, I'm not the least bit concerned. If they do 3-4 trilogys in the Batman critical path on a gandt chart before a reboot they can use all the main rogues, some lesser known, and even have room for other. There is still a lot of real estate in stand alones and spin offs to consider as well.

If they can keep up with the quality story telling, we should not worry at all except for how those used are used properly so as not to poisen the well.

 

[Ziggyman]

I think The Riddler should start out as a struggling detective in the police/CSI force who's partner is Essen...Who Gotham police hire to find out who Batman is...Detective Nashton...Then like can interrogate Gordon...Gordon starts to like Essen...Grdon gets divorced...Essen leaves the field...Gordon tells Nashton that he has one more crack at figuring out who Batman is...Tries to pen Batman to Wayne...No evidence though...Nashton goes into a downward spiral into depression or something...Makes the persona...The Riddler...To continue his work on figuring who Batman is...Sends evidence or clues or riddles to Gordon and the police on Batman...In secret...

Basically...He's a crappy detective...Who loses his job and continues his work under a different persona...The Riddler...

I made this off the top of my head...Thought i could work...Thoughts?

...I would like to repost this because I would like to hear what you think...

 

[TimidationGame]

...I would like to repost this because I would like to hear what you think...

To be honest, I see Joker/Riddler/Hatter is interchangable in the non-comic fans eyes...not my opinion remember. They are all fairly frail compared to Bats and rely on staying ahead of him...most of the time.

I was thinking Riddler would be best served having some distance between him and Joker on the screen. I think Riddler would be best fit teaming up with Brainiac against Supes and Bats in a third trilogy directly after TDKR's. The third of that trilogy starting Justice League with the fallout of Riddler/Braniac chaos.

my .02

 

[David Rice]

I'm still very much for the Pamela Isley "queen of gotham" type storyline, removing her as far from plant control as Joker was removed from his 'flag gun' and laughing fish. capitalizing on her more esoteric definition of justice, and testing that against Bruce/Bats' own motives and standards. Poison Ivy has the potential to be really, really epic, and I'd hate to see that wasted because of the cartoon-like incarnation she's had recently.

What books is that story in?

 

[The Major]

To be honest, I see Joker/Riddler/Hatter is interchangable in the non-comic fans eyes...not my opinion remember. They are all fairly frail compared to Bats and rely on staying ahead of him...most of the time.

Depends on how Riddler is updated.

They can make him different from the Joker, which they really need to do to succeed IMO. Of course, Nolan could do anything with Riddler and I'd go along with it.

I was thinking Riddler would be best served having some distance between him and Joker on the screen. I think Riddler would be best fit teaming up with Brainiac against Supes and Bats in a third trilogy directly after TDKR's. The third of that trilogy starting Justice League with the fallout of Riddler/Braniac chaos.

my .02

Why would Brainiac need Riddler for? I could understand Luthor, but Riddler?

 

[TimidationGame]

Depends on how Riddler is updated.

They can make him different from the Joker, which they really need to do to succeed IMO. Of course, Nolan could do anything with Riddler and I'd go along with it.



Why would Brainiac need Riddler for? I could understand Luthor, but Riddler?

He doesn't really, just a way to balance and tie things together. I was thinking they are both intellectuals and are drawn to each other to assist ridding of each others foe. I was thinking they need a little more than just one to cause for the creation of the JL. Another reason is why not? Nolan has shown multi villians CAN work and work well.Just a thought on how to map out the road to the eventual Knightfall.

 

[The Major]

He doesn't really, just a way to balance and tie things together.

You can do that with Scarecrow or Joker.

They really need a villain which Nolan had already spent tme on setting up in his movies.

I was thinking they are both intellectuals and are drawn to each other to assist ridding of each others foe.

Good idea in theory. You're just going to need a better, organic reason that that.

Brainaic, depending on how powerful they make him in a film, wouldn't be worried about Nolan's Batman. He's beneath its notice. Brainiac wouldn't need help destroying Batman if he felt like it.

Brainiac would possibly kill someone like Ridler on sight unless he has a good reason not to.

I was thinking they need a little more than just one to cause for the creation of the JL.

Okay.

Another reason is why not? Nolan has shown multi villians CAN work and work well.

Multi-villains can work as long as the story works. Nolan knows how to set plots up which make sense for two villains to work in a film and which villains to use which would work well together. He didn't pick Joker or Two-Face at random.

Just a thought on how to map out the road to the eventual Knightfall.

How would Riddler joining Brainiac to fight the JL set up Knightfall?