The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[Melkay]

I don't think the "how" is really important nor difficult to handle. As long as the "why" can be justifiably expressed to the audience, then you've done an ample effort in translating Freeze.

It's integral that the audience understands his actions and motivations, but not necessarily feel sorry for him. He may stand for the most selfless act one can convey, but the means he goes about it is absolutely deplorable. I don't think anyone would really sympathize with him, given they know all the details into his crimes.

Agreed, but even Harvey's actions in TDK had some level of sympathy from the audience. And he was threatening cute, innocent kids.

To comment on your Lost example....EVERYONE hated Michael. Granted he was written as a whiney little girl, but you would find it difficult to really forgive someone that has betrayed everyone's trust and lives.

Strangely, Michael was my favourite character, until they ****ed him up in the foruth season. Why? I don't know, I felt true sympathy for him. Maybe I'd do the same thing for my son. The right thing? No.... perhaps. But I would do it.
And his first flashback episode really got to me.

 

[Ronny Shade]

Madd Hatter-
John Wayne Gacy meets Jim Jones with an obsession with Alice in Wonderland. Jervis Tech would abduct little girls that look like Alice from the childrens story by dressing up as The lovable Madd Hatter. He would hold tea parties and spike the Tea to drug the girls and keep them under his control.
This would be a completely differnt threat to Gotham City than anything done on film thus far, and could definately set the stage for an extremely dramatic film. Would it happen, probably not, why, difficult to avoid the R rating which wb will never allow.
but if....
cast Robin Williams as The Madd Hatter, he has already worked with Nolan on Insomnia, and I think he could portray the character brilliantly.

Pedophile Hatter FTL. Mind controlling neurologist Hatter FTW.

 

[Crook]

Agreed, but even Harvey's actions in TDK had some level of sympathy from the audience. And he was threatening cute, innocent kids.

Harvey gained sympathy as he was laying on that hospital bed, helpless and defeated. The moment he went on his revenge spree, I can guarantee you no one was going "ohhh poor Harv!".

Strangely, Michael was my favourite character, until they ****ed him up in the foruth season. Why? I don't know, I felt true sympathy for him. Maybe I'd do the same thing for my son. The right thing? No.... perhaps. But I would do it.
And his first flashback episode really got to me.

Like I said, the audience got where he came from. The flashback changed our views on him from a dad that cared a little too late, to a dad that cared the entire time and wasn't given the chance to show it. But man, he f**ked over so many people. Innocent people too, like Hurley and Libby. And he had no qualms in shooting Ana Lucia, someone that was very much on her way to redemption. God I hate Michael.

Pedophile Hatter FTL. Mind controlling neurologist Hatter FTW.

I don't see pedophilia in his posts. It's a great take on the character, and explains his obsession with the storybook. And yes, there is a subtext of interest in little girls, but that's all the more creepier for such a pathetic human being.

 

[sabetoonth]

crook nice avatar, and i think the hatter is a villian that might not be a good idea for the noplan films, it would leave the people confused by Blade's in trinrty think ing it was the worst thing to do.

 

[sabetoonth]

hello, its like empty in here, sorry if it offneds people i say that, but i think batzarro could rend a serious threat if treated rigth, dam even catman could be a threat

 

[sabetoonth]

i think batzarro and catman could work if turned into twisted or upside down versions of bats

 

[kid dropper]

isnt this thread kind of the same as the "interpretation" thread?

 

[sabetoonth]

so?
this breaks down te #of pages to look for something

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

crook nice avatar, and i think the hatter is a villian that might not be a good idea for the noplan films, it would leave the people confused by Blade's in trinrty think ing it was the worst thing to do.

I respectfully disagree. I think Mad Hatter would be perfect for Nolan's films, he's just creepy and realistic enough for it. I liked the idea about spiking the little girl's tea with drugs. However, while I like the idea of Mad Hatter being the villain, it would probably never happen, as there is that ever present R rating that would undoubtably come with the subject matter. Damn WB. What the hell does Blade Trinity have to do with this?

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

I think that's a big negative on Batzarro and Catman...hehe. I mean Catman? Really?

 

[sabetoonth]

it makes no sense to me to have robin williams play a ptophile and it maks no senswe blade telling a joke

 

[sabetoonth]

hey he could work its just the writing and the overal handling of the caracter

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

I just don't see alot of threat in the character, plus he's virtually unknown.

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

Yeah but you wouldn't have to have Robin Williams playing The Mad Hatter. It was just a suggestion, that doesn't mean it's set in stone.

 

[Mr. Earle]

The whole point of Robin/Nightwing is his connection to Batman. His surrogate son, his connection with the real world, the anchor that keeps him from losing himself in his crusade and the monster he created.

If Nolan and WB are scared to do Robin because of the Schumacher fiasco, then fine, but dont bring Nightwing into the next movie, only to change him in so many ways that he wont be Nightwing anymore.

Besides, we want to see a batman movie, not a batman + random superhero dont we?

And if Batman is ever gonna team up with another superhero in a movie, i pray to god its Superman (great comparison, establishing the respect and friendship of two very different men, etc). But yeah, when hell freezes over will Nolan do that.

 

[ScarecrowMan666]

The whole point of Robin/Nightwing is his connection to Batman. His surrogate son, his connection with the real world, the anchor that keeps him from losing himself in his crusade and the monster he created.

If Nolan and WB are scared to do Robin because of the Schumacher fiasco, then fine, but dont bring Nightwing into the next movie, only to change him in so many ways that he wont be Nightwing anymore.

Besides, we want to see a batman movie, not a batman + random superhero dont we?

And if Batman is ever gonna team up with another superhero in a movie, i pray to god its Superman (great comparison, establishing the respect and friendship of two very different men, etc). But yeah, when hell freezes over will Nolan do that.

I agree completely....I don't think we need Robin or Nightwing in the next Batman movie, but if you have Nightwing you have to have Robin. It would be ridiculous if they just tried to skip right to it.

 

[Artistsean]

But if you don't include Robin in the Batman films, wouldn't that mean you can never have a Robin/Nightwing film?
People go to see a Teen Titans, robin, or Nightwing, movie and see he is connected to Batman in that film. So does that mean he is connected to the Batman in the Batman films, I would imagine they would wonder. Or if he isn't connected then how would that work? How would that not confuse people, especially the non-comic reading audience?
I suppose that you could just have his origin not connected to Batman, but then you would loose that part of his character not to mention dissapoint the die hard fans, and the film could end up like the Steel movie.
But if you never have a Nightwing/robin film that would also upset them.
So how would you include Robin without hurting the Batman franchise?

 

[shadowdog]

I wouldn't.
Robin doesn't really fit into the Nolanverse in my opinion, just like the JL doesn't really fit.
If they ever made a Nightwing or a Robin movie, he wouldn't have had to been in a Batman movie for people to understand that at some point Batman's life he had a sidekick and they had lots of adventures and then he had a few more, blah blah blah.
Besides, it's not like Nolan is going to do a Robin/NW movie, so it will be in a world and continuity all its own

 

[Ronny Shade]

I think they way to do Robin would be have Batman get almost killed and realize there needs to be a Batman in Gotham and if he dies there should be a replacement. So he finds a kid with promise and trains him.

Then the kid goes out and fights crime even thought Bats wants him to wait.

 

[sabetoonth]

i think that robin should be kept as far away from a live action batman movie as ****maker i mean shumacher should.until after nolan though than i dont really have a prob robin shoulld wait till after nolan

 

[Ronny Shade]

cause we all know Joel Schumacher's never made a good film

 

[sabetoonth]

hehe, and some villains who aint that imposing could become a real threat under nolan like batzarro, did i already bring this up? or catman, who could be every thing bruce is but does it for the hell of it he never lost his parents, he never undertook globetrotting adventures to learn to fight,he just gets ****s and gigles

 

[Artistsean]

nice idea for Catman.

I wouldn't.
Robin doesn't really fit into the Nolanverse in my opinion, just like the JL doesn't really fit.
If they ever made a Nightwing or a Robin movie, he wouldn't have had to been in a Batman movie for people to understand that at some point Batman's life he had a sidekick and they had lots of adventures and then he had a few more, blah blah blah.
Besides, it's not like Nolan is going to do a Robin/NW movie, so it will be in a world and continuity all its own

What I mean is if a Robin movie is made, or if a Titans movie is made, or if a Nightwing movie is made, the origin should include Batman.
But since he doesn't fit in right now people will wonder when and why Batman got a sidekick, if he would never bring a child sidekick into his war on crime.
And I never thought that Nolan would make a Robin film or include him ever. I just think if Robin doesn't fit in with the current Bat films, how would you include him later (Or imply that in a Robin film)?
Its sort of like making a Robin film puts links Robin to the Nolan Batman films anyway (if Robin/Nightwing/Titans is made in close enough proximity to the Nolan Batman films)

 

[margon]

why are the all the ideas crap

 

[Melkay]

^ Wow... that was candid. And uninformed.