The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

I would love to see Zach Snyder do a trilogy. It seems you can't do a comic book movie without making at least 2, but they are probably(as charlie of always sunny would say) pounding nolan up ***(well you know), about doing the 3(and by they i mean WB and all others in the world).

How did this thread turn into a non interpretation thread, instead everyone is venting there thoughts about the sequel(that is not being made)
 
yeah I think Zac Snyder would be good with a Batman film.
 
I love his movies, but I can't wait for the DVD release of watchmen(which I refused to see, because I knew would not have the entire story, so i decided to wait and see if they made a directors cut, which I hope will have everything in it).

Why do I do this(this right here) so much? Man I guess for explaining things(ha).
 
Yeah I liked Watchmen not the most romantic film to take a girl to see but you know still a good film.
 
Ha lol, I would have skipped taking a girl to see it, what was a chick flick out at the time . . . I have no idea, but you should have watched sleepless in seattle(the cable guy reference)
 
hahahaha well i was with her at the time so she had to make do with it
 
yeah. ha. It's kinda hard to put your arm around her shoulder with blood, guts, rape, and big blue penis right? P.S. I haven't seen it, but I read a few reviews and read the comic a lot.
 
The graphic novel was better, but I liked the ending from the film much more. It was quite a bit more dramatic, you really felt like more was happening, and who they blamed for the bombings instead of the squid made much more sense, and put much more at stake in the movies. Awesome movie all around, though.
 
yeah I liked that part of the film but lets get back to the subject at hand. Wait, heres a question i haven't had answered what do you think the Riddler's master plan would be?
 
Maybe to become The Batman, by finding out his true identity, killing him or locking him away, then becoming/destroying everything Batman was about. Kind of a mixture of Riddler's and Hush's stories, but I think it could be a good motive.
 
Well, wants to be Batman, then destroy him, probably after Batman has redeemed himself, which would further push Gotham into hysteria.
 
I think he'd want to show the truth to Gordon and Batmans lies and then try to find Batman identity
 
I think he would like to villianize batman and become the hero. He is very vain, needing reasurance that he is smart and what not.
 
hw could hire out for someone to take out bats from were he could dress up like him and tarnish his goo.. his name
 
I think it might be best if the Joker himself was considered the new Batman. While in prison, the Joker has become a symbol for the down-trodden people of Gotham. With Batman considered a dangerous criminal, the people that used to look up to him as their defender have turned to the Joker, seeing him as a martyr in the fight against the corrupt Gotham officials. However, instead of having another actor play the role, just have him killed off-screen before the movie begins in prison. When he dies, hundreds of the people that believed the Joker a hero don his distinctive face paint and take to the streets, calling themselves "Jokers" (a nod to the gang in Batman Beyond). The lead Joker could be Harley Quinn. In fact, the movie could open with a riot started by the Jokers, and the scene ends with Harley and all the Jokers put back in Gotham.

This is where Bane enters the scene. In this movie, Bane could be the new head of the League of Shadows...or what's left of it, that is. This time, their plan in Gotham isn't to let the city destroy itself, but to save it from its oppressor - the Bat. Bane, like his comic book counterpart, could start a prison breakout to try and lure out Batman. During this breakout, Harley Quinn could escape.

After she escapes, she's quickly contacted by someone claiming to be the second Joker and asks to meet with her. Intrigued, she follows through and is greeted by a man dressed completely like the Joker (save the make-up) but in a green suit instead of a purple one. After hearing his plans, Harley is more or less unimpressed. She would say something along the lines of "You sound like him, but your jokes aren't as funny. They don't even make sense. They're more like riddles. You're not the Joker, you're the Riddler!" I think that would be a good way to include the character's otherwise cheesy moniker.

Throughout the film, the Riddler could be manipulating characters from behind the scenes, and is only actually seen maybe three times throughout. Besides manipulating Harley, he could also be an unknown informant to the head of the division of the Gotham Police put in charge to capture Batman, Harvey Bullock. In other words, the relationship between Bullock and the Riddler would be analogous to the relationship between Gordon and Batman.

Bullock could be portrayed as a foil to Commissioner Gordon. Unlike Gordon, Bullock fervently believes that Batman is a menace to the city. Furthermore, he holds a grudge against Batman, seeing him as the reason that not only have the criminals gotten worse, but also making the police seem obsolete. His desire to see the Batman taken down drives him to accepting the Riddler's help.

In the film, the Riddler's motivation would be to solve the toughest riddle in Gotham City, the riddle that the Joker couldn't even solve. "How do you bring down the Batman?" He figures he can do this by solving another riddle: "Who is the Batman?"

Something that must be incorporated into the film is Rachel's funeral. At this funeral, Bruce could run into one of his childhood friends, Thomas Elliot, who reveals that he, too, was in love with Rachel, even while he was in prison. The Hush persona would not appear, only the Elliot character. Elliot, like his comic counterpart would be recently released from prison, and as part of his parole must see an anger therapist three times a week. His therapist would be Hugo Strange. Strange could be a closeted Joker fanatic and also in contact with the Riddler. Under the Riddler's orders, Strange could slowly and surely make Elliot's anger grow and have it directed at the Batman, whom Strange would make to seem was responsible for Rachel's death. The Riddler plans on using Elliot as a weapon that could be used to kill the Batman once he has been unmasked.

In a bit of a minor change, Kirk Langstrom could be Fox's replacement at Wayne Enterprises. The Man-Bat character wouldn't appear as it would be too unrealistic for Nolan's universe.

The film would come to a climax with the Riddler telling Harley to do lure Batman into a fight under the pretenses that it's a trap. It is, but the fight with Harley is only to get Bane's attention. After beating Harley and her Jokers, Bane attacks a weary Batman. Although Batman eventually wins the fight, he's been greatly fatigued. The Riddler leaves a clue to Bullock to go where the fight with Harley and Bane are, and, unable to escape, Batman is arrested.

Seeing on the news that Batman has been captured and unmasked as Bruce Wayne, Elliot would go to the courthouse and attempt to kill the man he sees as responsible for Rachel's death. The point of the scene would be to mimic the scene from Batman Begins where Bruce goes to the courthouse to kill the man who killed his parents. Elliot's attempt ultimately fails.

And after that, I don't know what would happen. Sorry this is so long :(
 
I would rather it be along these lines. The Batman inspired the people. . . The Joker inspired the Insane
 
that would be best, like the Riddler wants to top the joker yet he thinks he's better than him but also outsmart the Batman.
 
No one would buy the Joker being a hero. He killed too many innocents...your idea is far fetched.
 
No one would buy the Joker being a hero. He killed too many innocents...your idea is far fetched.

Did he really? I mean he killed people and some were innocent but most of them were criminals and corrupt. Now i'm not saying he can be a hero but he could be a anti hero. Like Jason Todd like from the comics or The Punisher.
 
yeah but he threatened to kill people which would give some bad views to the people if Gotham and he did try to kill them all on a boat so.... no
 
Tookie Williams helped form one of the most dangerous gangs in the United States, yet he made a complete heel-face turn while he was in prison. The same could happen with the Joker.

And the number of people that would see the Joker as some form of hero wouldn't be the general populace. They would be the people desperate for some hero that previously looked to the Batman. But after the Batman is declared a dangerous criminal after he supposedly killed Harvey Dent, some of these desperate people would find some way to justify the Joker's actions and actually believe that his view of Gotham's officials was correct. Having the Joker killed by prison guards would have an almost Rodney King-like effect on these people.
 

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