The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[BicyclMan]

Pengiun?? Easy! Just make him a highly intelligent mob boss with a condition that makes him deformed and walk funny and mess up his voice a little. He carries an umbrella that disguises a gun.

If the Joker survives TDK (I'm not saying) pair him up with Penguin somehow.

Darn! They paired them up so many times in cartoons, why not in a BatMan Begins sequel????


I would have loved to see Jack Nicholson and Danny Devito pair up but that dummy Tim Burton killed them both off. Bummer!

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[BobJM]

Tell me how realistic Christopher Nolan is when I watch a movie with a man who's bones are visible through his cheek and jaw, yet still maintains a functioning mind (he may be crazy, but he should be in a vegetative state for life if he survives)?

I loved Two-Face in TDK and wouldn't change a thing, but don't try and say that because acid wasn't thrown in his face but was instead substituted for gasoline and fire, that he is "realistic". If fire burned through his face and allowed me to see his inner skin and even muscles, shouldn't his voice also be affected? Should he even be able to open his mouth?

Bottom line, it's a comic book adaptation. Let's see some villains who aren't the most realistic things in the world.

If Bruce Wayne can turn every cellphone into a sonar device in a city of 30 million (according to Fox), why can't a man like Victor Freeze create a suit to keep his body temperature low and why can't he create a gun that blasts concentrated bursts of liquid nitrogen or whatever the hell freezes quickly.

Why can't we see a Bane that actually takes a serum that allows rapid muscle growth instead of just making him an over-trained assassin that some are suggesting?

Why can't Catwoman just be a cat thief who uses a mask to conceal her identity and challenges Batman both physically and emotionally, instead of an brutal assassin that stalks her prey?

Nolan is a ridiculously good director and I'm not trying to knock him down, but Batman's rogue gallery is too good to dumb down or completely ignore.

 

[blknrdcllctv]

Perhaps this is wishful thinking, but what about Deadshot? I was also thinking about the Riddler, Zodiac-style as well (can't remember who mentioned that but you're a genius).

I'd like to see Deadshot taking out corrupt cops, lawyers, judges and their families. Deadshot would also have his sights on Gordon and the Batman. Batman would be redeemed because he saves Gordon and we come to find out that

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Two-Face is behind all of these hits, as he's using his own justice system.

I know, may sound kind of weak. I want

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Two-Face back though.

I think the Penguin is incredibly easy to interpret, as is the Riddler, and Catwoman. With all of the steroids craziness in sports, I think Bane would be sinch too. For some reason I keep thinking of biochemical warfare for Poison Ivy (don't know the practical application of that through plants). I could see Freeze weaponizing something that freezes and shatters all solid material, but it would be too far of a stretch to have him relegated to a sub-zero suit. There are people that have to wear space-man looking suits if they walk outside because they need to protect themselves from direct sunlight...is there a way that could be worked into the angle? I don't know.

 

[BobJM]

He won't be back.

 

[xero1186]

Bring on Dark Victory! That's what I say

 

[returntovoid]

There's a part 2 for the Batman villains feature at IGN, this time they have ideas for other Batman villains that can fit into Nolan's Batman films.

here's the link.

http://comics.ign.com/articles/891/891521p1.html

 

[comic_book_guy]

i like the idea of The riddler and Catwomen

 

[Microchip]

Atleast it wouldn't be just another Batman movie with the same old villains.

Ras al Ghul and Scarecrow weren't exactly the same old villains.

I actually kind of like Mr Freeze as an Albino. But I'd somewhat prefer them not to change the source material too much, and instead get a villain they can adapt easier. Riddler, Catwoman, Hush, Penguin, these are the people they can make work.

 

[Majic Walrus]

I would differentiate Riddler from Joker as much as possible. Whereas the Joker's voice is very creepy, very soft, the Riddler's voice should be louder and more arrogant sounding. Whereas Joker is often hunched over and movies jerkily, Riddler should stand tall and move swiftly. In my opinion Riddler should be all about control, maintaining control over whatever he is doing. Whereas the Joker was all about causing chaos, the Riddler should be all about him maintaining complete control.
Since TDK ends with Batman sort of on the run, I would use Edward Nygma as a guy who makes a pact with the cops and the people in power in gotham in order to catch the Batman. He fashions himself as the Riddler in order to make it seem like a new costumed psychopath is threatening Gotham. He attempts to lure Batman in. However this ruse becomes more of an obsession for Nygma and he breaks away from the police and his affiliations to pursue a more personal game with Batman.

Thank you! If Nolan makes the riddler well it won't be so awful (Batman Forever). The Riddler is arrogant and and pompous and absolutely brilliant. He doesn't run around screaming like a freaking loon.

I like your plot idea too but I wonder if they haven't already set up for a Riddler with Reese (Reese Edward Nygma maybe?). Someone who knows who Batman is. Someone who seeks to destory Batman both as Batman and as Bruce Wayne.

Why does he seek to destory him? We'll he lost his job and spent the next day getting shot at by half of Gotham, that'd make me angry.

 

[timfalletti]

If you haven't seen TDK yet do not read my post!!!!!

YOU'VE BEEN WARNED!!!!

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So at the end of TDK, you have Batman taking the blame for the deaths of cops, mob bosses, and Harvey Dent himself. All the police force is after him. This movie is all about redemption.

No one can catch Batman, so the city goes a little crazy wanting justice and hires some outside help (The new DA perhaps does the hiring)

So, they hire a female assassin/great cat burglar...ie Catwoman.


Meanwhile, with the Joker behind bars, Millionaire Oswald Cobblepot takes the reigns. He wears tuxedo's everywhere he goes, and is given the moniker Penguin. He looks like the short stocky guy with a tophat from the comics. Also uses umbrellas as weapons. With all the mob money burned from TDK, he is the only one who can afford the luxury of being the boss. Other people want the title, so the Penguin starts killing mob bosses, and blames it on Batman.


Reese, (aka Mr. Reese, aka Mysteries?) knowing who Bruce Wayne is from TDK, goes a little crazy and starts dropping hints about who Batman is. Gotham doesn't believe him, and this makes him angry. (Also getting shot at in TDK doesn't help.) He sends a package to Wayne Manor with a riddle. The riddle leads to the television station getting blown up. Bruce keeps receiving riddles, and must stop the Riddler, Catwoman, and the Penguin.

Catwoman realizes Batman is trying to help, they make out, and she wants to feel redeemed for all the bad people that may have been good that she has assassinated. She then helps Batman solve a riddle that unintentionally backfires and kills the Riddler.

The final showdown is at a gala at the circus, Penguin kills the flying Graysons whose son (a young young young boy. Like 10 years old) is the only survivor.

It is revealed to Gotham that all this is happening to Batman, and they feel guilty for wanting his head on a platter. Batman wins, Penguin gets tossed in Arkam, and Bruce takes the young Dick Grayson under his wing, and Gotham loves its hero once again. Bruce feels redeemed.

Roll Credits. End of series. No more movies ever after this.

 

[FaT_tONle]

Let the mastermind villain hire some muscle. Mercs from around the world. The best of the best.

1) Bane
Big Brazillian guy, talented merc and bounty hunter, raised on south american geurilla warfare, a little accent and utterly badass. Wears standard Paramilitary uniform type stuff. Face is more Ghost Recon than spandex mask. For the film's climax, let him take some drugged adrenaline he acquires for a pumped up fight against the Bat. He doesn't have to carry the show or be a huge part, but having him try to doublecross the mastermind in the end would be a nice touch... especially if he's slick and successful.

2) Deadshot
Pretty easy. A Gentleman sniper, English sort, very much Gotham Knight, give him fine clothing (in his comic costume colors) accented by slick briefcases with gloriously disturbing looking customized weapons. Add to this a infrared/telescopic monocular, and you have deadshot, but realistic and easily used for film.

3) Lady Shiva
Michelle Yeoh, please. Unrelenting, unforgiving, unremoseful and utterly untouchable in hand to hand combat. Former League of Shadows. Keep her pretty simple in her quest for a combatant worthy, but stay away from that stupid 'giving them a chance and getting killed for it' trope.

4) Ventriloquist
This would be the most fun to update. Instead of trying to emulate the cartoon, let Ventriloquist be a skilled hitman, one that seems entirely mute. Couple this with his 'Scarface' doll which actually does do the talking, and can actually be pretty comical, and you've got a pretty interesting character, that doesn't demand a lot of screen time and can have a really REALLY cool death scene.

Get these four together and you've got four really cool fight scenes, with four classic batman villains, without having to delve too deep into their psyches or go out of your way to explain something inhuman because everything they do is completely normal.

See... this is what I am talking about... Gotham needs to bring the Batman in... so let's hire every single possible thug/hitman to get the job done and capitalize on the bounty. If could be a three way war. Wouldn't make much of a arc other than the conclusion of Batman's arc. But I don't think Riddler needs to be a given. He isn't that type of villain. Catwoman I want but I don't think she'll be in it either. I don't think they want to repeat villains. And don't get me started on Bane in B & R which was a joke. The thing is I think WB will want an iconic villain in there so one of those two if not both will ultimately make the cut.

 

[The Batman]

this is exactly what i mean when i say people dont understand what nolan is going for in this franchise

the villains...dont really need changing whatsoever, neither do they need origins shown. scarecrows origin wasnt shown, neither was ras, neither was jokers.

 

[Cunning Stunts]

I really think that Freeze is the only villain who can "up the ante" from the Joker.His backstory and his origin (if done right ) would make him a very powerful character on screen. Riddler and Penguin are too dull, IMO, and are lacking that factor.

Thanks, dude. I feel like the tones from Begins to TDK changed drastically, so I would do that yet again here. Batman was much more fear-based, obviously. Dark and scary, yes, but not psychologically wracking the way TDK was. Now, instead of being more of a psychological thriller, we should bring in the threat of an armageddon-type scenario. True, the chaos that Joker created in TDK was very apocalyptic, but I'm talking real, destruction-of-nature, end-of-the-world type situation.

 

[scatterax]

i think that no villain w/ powers would be in 1 of nolans batman movies. ras wuz the exception, but it seems lyk they juz took his powers away anyway so...

 

[GoldGoblin]

The Reaper who helps the police hunt down Batman.

 

[psylockolussus]

I want Poison Ivy!

I want her to be a badass!

 

[CrypticOne]

Ideas for villains in the third movie, huh? Well after seeing TDK, the only villian I see....

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....is Batman.

Look at it like this, who did we know was going to be the villian in TDK at the end of Begins? The Joker.

Now, at the end of TDK, who was the "villain?" Batman.

Him against the city of Gotham. We don't need a villain like The Riddler, Catwoman, Clayface, or any other to headline the third movie. Nolan can make it interesting enough with just Batman in the movie, with the city of Gotham.

 

[GoldGoblin]

They need a villain to clear Batman's name.That's why if you get someone like the Reaper to hunt Batman down and to also have the Reaper killing bad cops,then everyone will see that Batman and even Harvey Dent didn't kill those people,they could blame it all on the Reaper.

 

[Psycho_Sith]

Bane - just as he was written in the comics.
Venom is just a hyper-steriod.

 

[psylockolussus]

I want Poison Ivy!

I want her to be a badass!

 

[Gamingboy]

Harley Quinn:
Like how Batman inspired several cheap knock-off Bat-Vigilantes, the Joker inspired similar amongst villains. The most interesting was Harleen Quinzel, an out of work shrink who fell in love with the Joker through his GCN broadcasts and demands. Quinzel seemed to have missed the whole "psychotic murderer thing", and despite never having met the guy decided that he would have wanted her to avenge him... so she took some stage makeup and a old halloween costume and became Harley Quinn, swearing to kill Batman for locking up her true love. Batman, needless to say, quickly stopped her and sent her to Arkham.

 

[Timstuff]

The three villains that ATM I think are the most plausible for Batman 3 are Riddler, Catwoman, and Poison Ivy. I would love to see what kind of bizzare twisty story Nolan could write around Riddler, so I won't even try to speculate how he'd be interpereted. There's already plenty of talk about Catwoman on this forum, so I think most people already know what to expect from her (rich socialite / philanthropist by day, leather-clad catburglar by night).

As for Poison Ivy, I think that she should be as follows: officially, she's Pamela Isely, a smokin' hot botanist who is very well versed in natural poisons. Unofficially, she's an evil nut who poisons people who have been targeted by her employers (either the mob, the riddler, or both methinks). She would have no actual powers other than her knowledge of plants and poisons, so she'd probably fill a similar role to Jonathan Crane from the first film in many respects.

Also, I was thinking there could be a scene in there where she goes into a hospital, and after having an unpleasant talk with a target, she slips some potent poison into the man's intravenous drip... So he ends up dying from a Poison IV, LOL. She could also poison someone with a kiss at some point, but she'd have to have silicone glued to her lips or something as a blocker. It'd probably only paralyze the victim, too (she wouldn't be dumb enough to put lethal poison near her mouth), and then she'd probably finish them off with something more deadly from a syringe.

Oh yeah, and she'd get *****-slapped by Catwoman. Totally.

 

[blackbyrd]

Hush would be great.

Black Mask would be great. He could head up a new mob ring and employ Firefly. Catwoman would be great too....

Doesn't anyone really want to see Poison Ivy, Riddler or Penguin.....please...

 

[Starscreamer]

I think Oswald Cobblepot should be the new Mayor of Gotham or maybe the new District Attorney....

 

[TLH]

I would love Clayface, but he's unrealistic under the Nolanverse.

Nolan could own the Riddler. I suspect he would also be a crazy, maniacal killer, but there would be some plot twist on the level with The Prestige. Nolan loves challenging the audience. The Riddler gives him that opportunity.