The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[GL1]

I thought about it some more and perhaps this better explains how the Nolan brothers are structuring the Villians:



Antagonist 1: (ScareCrow/Crane, Joker)
- Is the symbol of the main theme (Fear/Escalation)
- Is main antagonist and mortal threat to Bruce Waynes love interest
- Provides conflict with Batman until #2 puts on villian clothes
- Villain part of character is stronger symbolically, than by motivations

Antagonist 2: (Ducard/Ras, Dent/TwoFace)
- Is the main driver of the story not theme
- Is main antagonist and mortal threat for Batman
- Gives Bruce character depth, when not Batman
- Is a character Bruce and the audience invests in
- Villian has a non-villain side to them and is stronger through motivations
- Someone Bruce learns to give faith and trust to
- Any involvement with antagonist #1 is never good for Gotham
- Antagonist 3's actions is what ultimately drives their involvement in Gotham
- Character turns from Bruce friend, to Batman enemy
- Final showdown for Batman, after #1 is dealt with

Antagonist 3: (Mob figureheads so far)
- Is main antagonist to Gotham, keeps everyone busy and distracted
- Gotham gives them money/power, they don't want to destroy that
- Actions cause Bruce and #2 to act on them and Gotham
- Has dealings/altercations with antagonist #1
- Gives Waynes love interest something to do until #1 acts on her

Antagonist 4:
- Is main antagonist to Wayne Enterprise, and threatens Lucious
- So far, no dealings with any other antagonist

I just really sat and read this and these are some EXCEPTIONAL observations. Very nice.

My picks for #3:
Antagonist 1: Riddler
Themes of "Questions" and "Doubt" or "Mystery"
Is untouchable mystery-generating Gentleman criminal and public figure from outset.
Tries to kill Poison Ivy
Is motivated simply to teach others to ask the right questions.

Antagonist 2: Poison Ivy
Pamela Isley as a competitor for the hearts of Gotham, including Bruce's drives the story.
Is behind the string of plant-related disease-caused killings.
Has a very compassionate side, and is torn on the 'necessary deaths'
Partners with Ed Nashton to control Gotham, but is doublecrossed and almost killed.
Is the final showdown and just like the other #2s, gets killed.

Antagonist 3: "Colorful mercenaries"
The likes of "bane" "deadshot" "lady shiva" and "ventriloquist" cause more than a few problems for all of Gotham.
Originally hired by Riddler, turn on him later as Bane tries to take over.

Antagonist 4 I would use Ed Nashton here again, as opposed to getting a lowbie. Perhaps using a mob guy like Roman Sionis to mess with Wayne Enterprises could be a great set up for Black Mask. Maybe not.

Maybe too many villains, but that's what's in my head.

 

[MegaGeek]

I would love to see Catwoman and Bane together. Bane needs a re-do in the worst way. Hes such a great character. If they could get a huge columbian with the same accent as Bane has in BTAS that would sell me right there.

I would love to see Bane set Arkham free and rule gotham's underworld while Batman and Bruce are both too tied up by a cat and mouse game with Celina Kyle and Catwoman to do anything about it.

You could have Catwoman and Bane team up in the 3rd act. Using Bane's brains as a criminal mastermind and Catwomans romantic hold on Batman, they could really eff with Bats. I would love to see a scene where Celina Kyle lures Bruce back to his penthouse only to have his back turned to glowing red eyes standing a good 2 feet over him. In a thick columbian accent "ahhh, Batman I presume".

Also with Arkham's patients on the loose, there is potential for the Joker to end up in another film. **** maybe even Two-face if hes not really dead.

 

[cerealkiller182]

If it came to stopping a cat burglar or a criminal mastermind breaking everyone out of Arkham I doubt Batman would choose the car burglar.

 

[MegaGeek]

If it came to stopping a cat burglar or a criminal mastermind breaking everyone out of Arkham I doubt Batman would choose the car burglar.

Thats so true.
But maybe you could have Celina Kyle as Bruces love interest, and then have Batman as Catwomans love interest. Celina Kyle is not interested in Bruce and it drives him crazy, Batman is not interested in Catwoman and it drives her crazy. The only difference is Catwoman gets uber pissed and messes up every attempt Batman makes to catch Bane and Arkhams patients.

The dynamic of Catwoman loves batman (but he hates her) and Bruce loves Celina (but she hates him) could really eff with everyones head, especially if they both find out who eachother really is.... think about it.

 

[OwlBoy]

I don't know if anyone else is watching Eureka on the Sci-Fi channel but (with some leaps and bounds) they're kinda coming up with a pretty solid scientific explanation for Killer Croc's appearance.

 

[thedanmachine]

I really dont think that Riddler trying to find out who Batman is can really work now. In The Dark Knight Reese found out who Batman was by going over some financial stuff, finding a few drawings and putting two and two together. He did this all in a very short time. If Riddler is made to be a genius villain then it shouldnt be that hard for him at all to find out Batman's identity.

 

[DieSmiling]

It's Selina. With an "S".

 

[TimidationGame]

I just really sat and read this and these are some EXCEPTIONAL observations. Very nice.

Thank you.

I found I have more work to do on it as I have made at least one mistake, and missed a few very key things...I will get to it.

What I have listed as antagonist #2 is actually the anti-hero.

They have a formula for cause/effect in the themes and lessons. I know how they work once they are rolling, but have to unravel the origin backstory. BB breaks the formula somewhat since it has no lead in, but rather duplicates portions in the same movie.

 

[MegaGeek]

It's Selina. With an "S".

whoops

 

[Malone]

I thought about it some more and perhaps this better explains how the Nolan brothers are structuring the Villians:



Antagonist 1: (ScareCrow/Crane, Joker)
- Is the symbol of the main theme (Fear/Escalation)
- Is main antagonist and mortal threat to Bruce Waynes love interest
- Provides conflict with Batman until #2 puts on villian clothes
- Villain part of character is stronger symbolically, than by motivations

Antagonist 2: (Ducard/Ras, Dent/TwoFace)
- Is the main driver of the story not theme
- Is main antagonist and mortal threat for Batman
- Gives Bruce character depth, when not Batman
- Is a character Bruce and the audience invests in
- Villian has a non-villain side to them and is stronger through motivations
- Someone Bruce learns to give faith and trust to
- Any involvement with antagonist #1 is never good for Gotham
- Antagonist 3's actions is what ultimately drives their involvement in Gotham
- Character turns from Bruce friend, to Batman enemy
- Final showdown for Batman, after #1 is dealt with

Antagonist 3: (Mob figureheads so far)
- Is main antagonist to Gotham, keeps everyone busy and distracted
- Gotham gives them money/power, they don't want to destroy that
- Actions cause Bruce and #2 to act on them and Gotham
- Has dealings/altercations with antagonist #1
- Gives Waynes love interest something to do until #1 acts on her

Antagonist 4:
- Is main antagonist to Wayne Enterprise, and threatens Lucious
- So far, no dealings with any other antagonist

Cool, bud; I enjoy reading your posts.

 

[TheKnight]

This is my idea for The Riddler

The Riddler: I don't think he should be a serial killer who leaves clue, thats just dumb, i think he should be a sort of Cyber Terrorist, kind of like the villain out of Die Hard 4, but that just my idea.

 

[scatterax]

This is my idea for The Riddler

The Riddler: I don't think he should be a serial killer who leaves clue, thats just dumb, i think he should be a sort of Cyber Terrorist, kind of like the villain out of Die Hard 4, but that just my idea.

but leaving clues is what makes him the riddler. if u don't like that part of him than you don't really like the riddler, and ur prolly juz lyin to urself if u think u do. and what does being a cyber terrorist have to do w/ the riddler? out bein a killer who leaves clues or a cyber terorist, ill take... what are clues, for 400!

 

[GL1]

Serial Killers are small time. For Riddler to be an epic villain, he has to be beyond going around killing random folk for some inspid little reason. Plus, having a well dressed elite Riddler sounds much cooler than some wannabe gangster in a bowler hat. Mobster Riddler? No thanks.

If that means he has to be a cyber terrorist that leaves clues, so be it.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I take it no wants a return from Joker? I just think with all the build up in TDK Mr J HAS to be involved somehow. Like i've said before Joker is as important to the mythos as batman himself. If the Riddler was involved i'd like to see him like he was in the long halloween, a sorta adviser to whoever the main antaganist is, maybe helping them finding out who batman really is.

 

[thePan]

I take it no wants a return from Joker? I just think with all the build up in TDK Mr J HAS to be involved somehow. Like i've said before Joker is as important to the mythos as batman himself. If the Riddler was involved i'd like to see him like he was in the long halloween, a sorta adviser to whoever the main antaganist is, maybe helping them finding out who batman really is.

I'm up for it, as long as he's played by a great actor like Johnny Depp. I don't think Depp is too big of a name for the franchise... and it really shouldn't matter because he's a great, great actor.

I guess I wouldn't mind some sort of ending like Batman Begins... just to let us know that he's always going to pop up again... Even if there isn't a fourth movie.

 

[Gilpesh]

For some reason, I just want Nolan to do The Dark Knight Returns as the third film.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

i think a good title for the next film will simply be "The Batman"

 

[TimidationGame]

For some reason, I just want Nolan to do The Dark Knight Returns as the third film.

While it may seem tempting to have that it is really not a good idea. The current series is about realism and mystery...Nolans expertise.

TDKR is gonna take lots of CGI action...not really Nolans cup of tea. So, be careful what you ask for, you may get it and not be happy. It's kind of like ordering some food that looks awesome in the picture, only to find it's...well, you know.

 

[steve454]

I think aswell that johnny depp would make a good joker.
does anyone know how to make this photo large on screen?

http://www.mediafire.com/imageview.php?quickkey=te7vu9zvkgz&thumb=5

Also what about thefor a name of the movie although probably too long, Batman:The Fall Of Gotham?

 

[MovieGeekFreak]

that photo looks okay, but i rather see Depp as Riddler

 

[TimidationGame]

I'm going from the premise that Nolan already knows where he is going, so I'm looking for what has already been setup. I was thinking, and I most certainly could be wrong, that Batman abducted Maroni in the IceBerg Lounge nightclub. It is known that Batman goes there to get information, this could be just a nod to the comics. If it's not, if they depict Penguin like they did Falcone/Maroni, he would be sitting most of the time anyways, so I guess he would not really need the umbrella. If he is always shown as the proprietor of the club, that could explain his attire and proper mannerisms. He would by no means have to be a major story/theme player.

 

[TimidationGame]

Cool, bud; I enjoy reading your posts.

Thank you, it's nice others appreciate my labors thinking about this movie.

 

[javphonic]

Harley quinn-Meets Joker at Arkham, helps him escape, and runs off with him, thus becoming his sidekick (this would be an interesting contrast for Batman and Batgirl, if ever included)


Jason Woodrue-I think Dr. Jason Woodrue (with assistant Pamela Isley/Poison Ivy) should be introduced as behind the scene villain, whose creating super thugs for Gotham’s mob, maybe Penguin and some of his cronies could be Victor Zsasz, Bane or the Kabuki twins.

Then when Pamela finds out and threatens to go to the authorities he hits her, which results in her falling on the table, spilling chemicals on her hand, and gettting cut on her arm (nothing catastrophic, simple) being very self conscious and shy Pamela doesn't retaliate, but continues to bottle up everything

Poison Ivy-I think her plant powers should be mind control based and increasing plant communication. For the first time in her life Pamela would have control over her life and others, herincreasing insanity will be because of her reserved and self-supressing persona, maybe shoe flashbacks of her turbulent childhood, in which she always endured, but never released anything.

-I think she should be edged up and as the film progresses she should loose grip of her sanity, pushing away from humanity and confiding in plants. Eventually her purpose would be to rid Gotham of it's human population, as mankind has supressed and beaten her down for too long, but will not do the same to the earth.

The writers should really research her past and give her depth.

 

[That-Guy]

I have a feeling we'll see Two-Face come back in part 3... we'll find out he's in Arkham and then he escapes and makes it known to the public that he was the real killer and that Gordon lied to everyone, thus turning the tables on things... Batman's name will be cleared but Gordon's career will be in ruins.

 

[DunDun]

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