The Dark Knight Rises Ideas For Incorporating Characters Into the Nolanverse

[Ace of Knaves]

i think a even more dissilusioned joker who has broken apart even more from his stay in arkham could be good.

 

[Nepenthes]

^ yeah it make more sense than going to the Joker for advice. that was always a wtf idea to me

 

[Landfill]

Ledger Joker? Serial killer? Predictable and boring. Why do you want to repeat the formula. It's better if he is a federal agent who gets obssesed with catching the Batman and goes rogue on it, setting complicated traps that are more dangerous each time, and leaving clues as a fake criminal called the Riddler to make him fall on them. A man obssesed about the power of the mind and who maybe has repeated talks with Johnatan Crane to discuss ideas about how to get inside the mind of the Bat and lure him into a trap.

But not a serial killer just for the sake of it?
Why? What would be his message?
It's not about the killings, it's about sending a message. Every single villain Nolan has presented us with had an idea behind him, even Scarecrow and Falcone. Your Riddler doesn't seem to have any.

You want a compelling villain, and with Riddler is very easy to make him look pathetic, not compelling.

its not message that type of riddler would be sending, he would be taunting the law just like real life serial killers do. well zodiac for one and btk for two but that idiot got caught. serial killers dont have a grand scheme of things, they kill cause they want to and then try to taunt the law because they think they can outsmart the justice system. ted bundy was like this too.

 

[Bads316]

Well the argument I put forward was that (if this did happen - I personally think J should be left out till the next director) it wouldnt be Bats and Gordon going to Joker for advice and psychological insight but suited up beauraucrats and politicians who would see Joker as a prize asset - much like the guy who runs Lectors prison in SOTL. They would treat Joker like a trophy on the mantle - leverage for public acceptance, evidence that there law and rule works.
Joker of course would just completely f%^& with them.

 

[Nepenthes]

Bats and Gordon going to Joker for advice and psychological insight b

yeah I'm sorry but on what planet is this ever a good idea? going to the Joker for psychological insight, geesus christ that's bananas lol

 

[Bads316]

Rise of the freaks - Joker directly leading to this. Its not above and beyond to see him being used by the authorities in some way as insight into the criminally insane. In exchange maybe theyll give him a purple straight jacket hehehe

 

[Nepenthes]

The Jokers too clever for anyone who comes near him, he'll lie and cause misery without even having to leave his cell. This is the way I'd want him treated in BatmanIII. Maybe they think he knows something and Gordon contacts Batman because apparantly Joker has already made one doctor leave the job already and another slash her wrists. So Batman has to break into Arkham without being noticed, or be snuck in as patient, and then leave by assaulting several guards. The implication will be obvious. That's the benefit of visiting the Joker in Arkham for me

 

[Bads316]

The Jokers too clever for anyone who comes near him, he'll lie and cause misery without even having to leave his cell. This is the way I'd want him treated in BatmanIII. Maybe they think he knows something and Gordon contacts Batman because apparantly Joker has already made one doctor leave the job already and another slash her wrists. So Batman has to break into Arkham without being noticed, or be snuck in as patient, and then leave by assaulting several guards. The implication will be obvious. That's the benefit of visiting the Joker in Arkham for me

Very nice!

 

[Wesley Dodds]

I think the best way to take the riddler is to make him into that Wayne Enterprises employee who discovered Batmans identity in DK, I found that subplot a little bit unnecessary and random but if the next movie took the riddler in this direction i think it'd kind've retroactively validate it... They even had that little look after Wayne crashed his car into him and Gordon.. That weird sorta "This aint over" look... This tells me that the best way to do Riddler is basically to make him a very personal villain to Bales Batman, A villain who knows his secret identity, who teases him (and the cops) with riddles about it left at crime scenes etc.
Also, am i alone here in thinking that as great as Ledger was (and he WAS truly great), that the joker could quite easily be recast.. Ledger was not the only young and talented actor waiting to live up to his potential... I read an interview with Gary Oldman a few weeks ago and he agrees with me.. Personally, i think Ryan Gosling or Michael Pitt would be great... And it helps that the make up is so thick and messy, it hides the actor playing the character, anyway...

 

[Melkay]

its not message that type of riddler would be sending, he would be taunting the law just like real life serial killers do. well zodiac for one and btk for two but that idiot got caught. serial killers dont have a grand scheme of things, they kill cause they want to and then try to taunt the law because they think they can outsmart the justice system. ted bundy was like this too.

Exactly? Why oh why do you want one of those? They're predictable, flat and uninsteresting. If this is the only way Riddler can be done (and it isn't) then I don't want to see the Riddler.

Personal question: Are you a serial killer fan or what? Are you Robert Graysmith?

I think the best way to take the riddler is to make him into that Wayne Enterprises employee who discovered Batmans identity in DK, I found that subplot a little bit unnecessary and random but if the next movie took the riddler in this direction i think it'd kind've retroactively validate it... They even had that little look after Wayne crashed his car into him and Gordon.. That weird sorta "This aint over" look... This tells me that the best way to do Riddler is basically to make him a very personal villain to Bales Batman, A villain who knows his secret identity, who teases him (and the cops) with riddles about it left at crime scenes etc. ...

There are soooo many things wrong with that idea that I don't even know where to start.
1. That guy can't make no remotely decent villain (I mean the character, not the actor).
2. Unnecessary and random? The guy was used to many things, including but not only... showing the logistics of nobody figuring our EVER who Batman was, and what to do about it.... Joker changing his mind about revealing Batman (true terrorist random thinking) and punishing Reese.... Wayne risking his life to save Reese's, showing the audience that he is going to protect the innocent, even when the innocent intends to stop his crusade. (the weird look was: "I f****d my f****ng Lamborghini for you, even when you tried to scr** me... I'm watching you. You owe me a Lamborghini.")
3. The Riddler's name is EDWARD NYGMA... not Coleman Reese. Nolan understands there's a difference between Zealous Purism and respect for the material... to change the Riddler's name is as gratituous as it gets.

Sorry, cheap idea. You can do better.

i think a even more dissilusioned joker who has broken apart even more from his stay in arkham could be good.

Dissilusioned? What Joker did you see on TDK?

^ yeah it make more sense than going to the Joker for advice. that was always a wtf idea to me

The Jokers too clever for anyone who comes near him, he'll lie and cause misery without even having to leave his cell. This is the way I'd want him treated in BatmanIII. Maybe they think he knows something and Gordon contacts Batman because apparantly Joker has already made one doctor leave the job already and another slash her wrists. So Batman has to break into Arkham without being noticed, or be snuck in as patient, and then leave by assaulting several guards. The implication will be obvious. That's the benefit of visiting the Joker in Arkham for me

Poor idea, forced upon the viewer. What's up with you, people?! LEDGER WAS THE JOKER. At least THAT PARTICULAR Joker. You CAN'T RECAST IT... IT'S WRONG.

Stop living in the past and omce up with some good ides to make other villains justice. They deserve it.

Rise of the freaks - Joker directly leading to this. Its not above and beyond to see him being used by the authorities in some way as insight into the criminally insane. In exchange maybe theyll give him a purple straight jacket hehehe

Actually, that's exactly what it is... Above and beyond. See TDK one more time before you go to the mountains to meditate.

Also, am i alone here in thinking that as great as Ledger was (and he WAS truly great), that the joker could quite easily be recast...

Unfortunately, you're not.

Ledger was not the only young and talented actor waiting to live up to his potential...

Of course not, but to recast is completely unnecessary (more villains, please) and very easy to f**k up. You are not looking for an actor to unveil his potential, you are waiting for an actor who can BE Ledger's Joker. A hair from being impossible.

I read an interview with Gary Oldman a few weeks ago and he agrees with me...

Link, please.

 

[COMPO]

Three words...

Get
Some
Rehab

and he said "no, no, no!"
t:
sorry, had to be said lmao

 

[Bat-Mite]

I think that Riddler needs to be played like a cross between the Ledger Joker and the Zodiac Killer. He needs to be a psycho, a serial killer, who uses riddles in his crimes as his signature. He needs to be a different breed of such, though. He wants to taunt people and, especially, Batman. He wants to show his own superiority without being swept up in it. He has to be more grunge and real, like the Ledger Joker. His killings have to be more inspired, more intelligent. Traps laid, rather than knives and guns. I also think it would be crucial for Riddler to escape in the end, rather than be killed or captured. Perhaps faked death, that is revealed as such. He has to be Batmans intellectual equal, rather than a wannabe like he's usually portrayed.

I'd rather just not have the Riddler if they're going to turn him into something he's not. Even in those rare instances he has tried to kill someone, it's been a person who's directly wronged him or Batman himself. The Riddler, at his core, is not about killing people. To make him into a serial killer would cheapen him immensely. It almost sounds like you want him to be a cross between Ledger's Joker and the guy from Saw. That's not Riddler and never has been.

 

[ThePoisonPuppet]

If anything, I would exaggerate the Riddler in the other direction to make him unique. Not grungy at all. I would make him an Incredibly OCD, passive-aggressive, manic-depressive fellow. he repeats words and phrases dozens of times, he is a complete germ-a-phobe, and despite the fact he is probably one of the most intelligent people on the planet and he knows this, he has a very odd love-hate relationship with himself and is near suicidal. I would make him someone who almost WANTS to be caught and killed by Batman as he sees it as very worthy way to go and thats why he leaves the riddles.

 

[Wesley Dodds]

Theres no chance whatsoever Christopher Nolan would ever do it but if, somehow circumstances changed and they Poison Ivy as the next villain are we all agreed that Aicia Witt's the only actress for the role?

http://www.myclassiclyrics.com/artist_biographies/Alicia_Witt_Biography.jpg

 

[TheFamilyGuy]

Really? That's funny, because lots of people couldn't see Ledger as a Joker that wasn't permawhite, or the Scarecrow as only doning mask. I know the same thing can be said to every villain but, if someone can do Freeze justice, those are the Nolans.

Except that I was one of the ones that loved the idea of TDK having a joker that wasn't permawhite.

My idea is Black Mask as the main villain for the third film (or at least as a secondary villain). I'm writing up a plot summary of what I would do for a third Batman film soon and i'll see what you guys think of it.

 

[PyroChamber]

Why does Riddler have to be a serial killer. Couldn't he just be an a-hole who's so cocky and egotistical that he figures no one is smart enough to stop him so he leaves riddles behind to mock Gordon and the police?

Or is that too cliche for Nolan's batverse?

 

[cerealkiller182]

Agreed, Riddler does not have to be a serial killer

 

[hopefule]

Commission Gordon has formed a task force to catch a cop killer called the “Hangman” who turns out to be Boss Maroni’s wife out for revenge after Harvey Dent killed her husband. Batman is still on the run from the cops and the very vigilantes he inspired and is now being hunted by hitmen hired by the “Hangman”.

Meanwhile, the Board of Directors at Wayne Enterprises is secretly questioning Fox’s capacity to run the company. The Board has become increasing suspicious of Fox after he promote Reese to run the weapons department. However this was actually Bruce’s decision which causes a rift between Bruce and Fox. Fox advises Bruce that Reese isn’t to be trusted and that putting him in this position is dangerous for the both of them. Bruce calms Fox by telling him that it would be better to keep Reese close so they can keep an eye on him.

Meanwhile, Reese is enjoying his new position of power even though his reputation has been destroyed after he refused to give up Batman’s identity. Reese while loyal to Bruce comes to resent Batman because of the risks to his own self interest. He knows that if something should happen to Bruce he would lose everything.

Batman and Gordon meet for the first time in months when a group of Joker copycats lead by Harley Quinn ambush Gordon and his men. Batman swoops in and captures Quinn. Gordon and Batman discuss the past few months. Gordon tells Batman that cyber-crime has jumped suggesting criminals are still scared to walk the streets. Batman agrees telling him the powerful criminal left in Gotham is a mere two bit drug dealer (the Scarecrow). Gordon admits that it is getting better but he worries that outsiders may move in to fill the void left by the Joker.

Meanwhile, Scarecrow meets with an arms dealer to buy knock-off bat weapons and is quickly overpowered by the Penguin’s men. Scarecrow nearly faints when he learns from the goons that the Penguin is in Gotham. Penguin then enters the room and wants to know who is supplying Scarecrow with the weapons being sold on the black market. Scarecrow swears they aren’t Penguin’s weapons and explains that his weapons are blown up bat toys and that his only reason to sell is because weapons are the new drugs in Gotham since everyone is buying them to hunt the Batman. Penguin explains the art of war to Scarecrow and that Batman is nothing without his superior weapons. Penguin explains his plan deal with Batman. First they need to level the playing field so they’ll arm all of Gotham with Penguins weapons to keep Batman off balance. Then they move in and steal Batman’s weapons. And then sell him more weapons. Penguin laughs as we understand that he is using Batman to boost his sales.

Meanwhile at Wayne Enterprises, Reese becomes even more desperate after Fox threatens to fire him when an entire weapons shipment coming up missing (which was actually stolen by the Penguin). Reese investigates online posing as a weapons dealer selling blue prints for some of the bat toys using the Alias Mr. E. The Penguin contacts him and makes him an offer he can’t refuse when Penguin offers him enough money to buy enough shares in Wayne Enterprise to stage a hostile takeover.
However, Penguin is secretly using Reese to find the source of the Bat Toys and has already hired a spy without a name and armed her with his own weapons. Her mission is to discover the identity of Mr. E at Wayne Enterprises and to steal his Bat toys. She becomes known on the streets as the Catwoman after torturing thugs for info by scratching their faces to shreds with her claws. She goes undercover at Wayne Enterprises using the name Selina Kyle and becomes Fox's new assistant believing that he is Mr. E. She begins to fill Bruce in on the day to day operations at Wayne Enterprises as Bruce’s relationship with Fox falls apart. She then begins dating Bruce while secretly stealing his bat toys without actually knowing he’s Batman.

Meanwhile, the Penguin lets Reese know that he's out of the loop. Reese puts things together and realizes that Penguin hired a corporate spy to steal the weapons under his nose to set him up as the fall guy. Reese comes up with a plan to cover up his deeds as he installs a weapons grade computer virus under his control at Wayne Enterprises and uses it to shut down critical points of Gotham’s infrastructure. However, Reese isn’t a killer so he uses puzzle that only Batman can solve in order to divert Bruce's attention away from focusing on the stolen bat toys on the streets. Gordon dubs the man behind this as “the Riddler.” While Batman is kept busy solving puzzles before the program shuts down another section of the city Reese begins covering up his crimes by wiping files and shredding documents.

However, Selina finds Reese’s files stored on her flash drive and learns that Bruce is Batman and Reese is the Riddler. Reese catches her using his computer and alerts the police that there is corporate spy at Wayne Enterprises. Bruce arrives and is shocked to find the spy is Selina as she begs him to forgive her. When the police arrive, Reese shocks everyone when he points the finger at Bruce knowing that Bruce will be unable to account for his nights out as Batman and will have to take a plea deal which should force the board to force Bruce out as majority stockholder making Reese the new majority owner of Wayne Enterprises. As Bruce is lead away in handcuffs, Reese cancels the virus program as the City regains power.

Selina leaves Wayne Enterprises to meet with the Penguin. She tells him that Bruce is the Batman. The Penguin wants the rest of his bat toys and names of his suppliers. Scarecrow wants revenge. So they all hatch a plan to break Bruce out of Jail. During the escape, Catwoman double crosses Scarecrow and Penguin as she and Bruce escape. She then tasks off her masks revealing herself to Bruce.

The city goes black again when the Penguin restarts the virus program. Penguin then sends Bruce a text message to meet nearby. They arrive and Penguin reveals Reese as the Riddler who used one of the Penguin’s viral program to commit cyber crimes which lead him to Gotham and to Wayne Enterprise and finally to Bruce. Bruce realizes that the Penguin was one of the original suppliers for Bruce’s bat suit and Bruce has made this arms dealer rich and powerful in the process of becoming Batman. Penguin offers a truce to the man that made all of this possible. He offers to let Bruce go free if he gives up all of the weapons and his suppliers and being Batman. He explains that Gotham will always have a Batman because this Batman is the greatest marketing tool for his weapons business. Bruce realizes that Penguin’s goal is to keep the war going and it will tear Gotham apart. Penguin is in fact bringing in his own Batmen armed with his weapons for Gotham to hunt them down forever in an endless cycle.

In the end, Batman catches Scarecrow and Reese. However, Reese escapes when Batman unsuccessfully stops Catwoman from killing the Penguin. Reese then makes a call to a CEO in a huge office wearing a top hat (Mad Hatter).

Meanwhile, Batman meets Catwoman on the roof of Wayne Enterprises. She wants to put everything behind them and start a new life. He tells her he doesn’t even know her real name. She says, “It doesn’t really matter what they call us Bruce.” Bruce feels that she has crossed the line killing Penguin in cold blood and is wanted for murder. She replies, “They want both of us for doing things for the greater good. The world thinks Bruce Wayne dead. We can start a new life any where in the world, Bruce.” Batman replies, “Bruce Wayne is died a long time ago.” Catwoman lifts up his mask and touches his face. She says touching his face, “This is your mask.” She then puts down his mask as Gordon arrives. Then while touching his mask she says, “This is the man I love” as Gordon’s cops drag her away.

GORDAN: Assassins. She’s definitely wanted all over the world.

BATMAN: What about the boy (Dick Grayson)?

GORDAN: Somebody just picked him up. Apparently Wayne is taking him in. I guess he feels responsible or maybe its just good PR. What about this Riddler character?

BATMAN: (watching Catwoman escape swinging from rooftop to rooftop)
He’ll turn up.

GORDAN: She’s good. (Pointing down at the missing grappling gun on Batman’s belt).

BATMAN: (Looks down and smirks)

FLASH FORWARD: [Gordon at home talking to Jimmy on the stoop]
JIMMY: (crying) Why?
GORDAN: Because we don’t need him anymore, son. (Picking up and hugging Jimmy)
JIMMY: Will he ever come back?
GORDAN: It’s the darkness. It calls to him. If it should ever take hold of Gotham again …that will be the day… (looks up into skyline) the Dark Knight Returns.

FLASHBACK TO ROOF TOP:
GORDAN: When does this end?
BATMAN: (Looks back at Gordon). It never ends. (and then jumps off the roof).

 

[Melkay]

Except that I was one of the ones that loved the idea of TDK having a joker that wasn't permawhite.

What do you mean? You were right once so you will be right once again?

My idea is Black Mask as the main villain for the third film (or at least as a secondary villain). I'm writing up a plot summary of what I would do for a third Batman film soon and i'll see what you guys think of it.

I have no doubt that Black Mask can make a fine villain, but the "ruthless bussiness man soon to become criminal boss"?... it has been done already.

I want a Batman villain, not Lex Luthor with black skull face and the some anger management issues.

If anything, I would exaggerate the Riddler in the other direction to make him unique. Not grungy at all. I would make him an Incredibly OCD, passive-aggressive, manic-depressive fellow. he repeats words and phrases dozens of times, he is a complete germ-a-phobe, and despite the fact he is probably one of the most intelligent people on the planet and he knows this, he has a very odd love-hate relationship with himself and is near suicidal. I would make him someone who almost WANTS to be caught and killed by Batman as he sees it as very worthy way to go and thats why he leaves the riddles.

Well, you were NOT kidding when you said "exaggerate".
That would be another travesty to the character. Riddler is all about arrogance and intellectual prepotency, not about lack of self-esteem.
Besides, what would a villain like that ADD to the Batman character and its world? You want him to be an obstacle for the batman, because at the end of the day these movies are about Batman... the villains are not the main characters. Nolan is not Burton, thank God.

There's no chance whatsoever Christopher Nolan would ever do it but if, somehow circumstances changed and they Poison Ivy as the next villain are we all agreed that Alicia Witt's the only actress for the role?

http://www.myclassiclyrics.com/artist_biographies/Alicia_Witt_Biography.jpg[/quote]

No, she's not. There is not ONLY ONE actor/actress for one character (Ledger taught us that) and just because someone is a sexy redhead celeb doesn’t make her apt for being Poison Ivy. Think outside the box (and start that by acknowledging that hair Can Be Dyed).

Why does Riddler have to be a serial killer. Couldn't he just be an a-hole who's so cocky and egotistical that he figures no one is smart enough to stop him so he leaves riddles behind to mock Gordon and the police?

Or is that too cliche for Nolan's batverse?

Not at all. Not cliché at all. You want a spin for it? (the following idea is not mine Make him a Federal Agent (a cocky, a-hole federal agent) who is given the task of catching the Batman and gets obsessed about it. He sets traps for him that are too dangerous, and keeps doing it until he becomes rogue and still tries to catch the Batman, but with most of the law supporting him, which should put some real pressure on Batman. Gordon should do everything to hinder his success, of course.

For me, is the best Riddler idea I've read. Riddler is no serial killer. He is intellectually obsessed with Batman, nothing more.

Not too cliché for Nolan. In fact, he can handle obsession pretty well… al his previous movies deal with it (Following, Memento, The Prestige).

 

[Katsuro]

If anything, I would exaggerate the Riddler in the other direction to make him unique. Not grungy at all. I would make him an Incredibly OCD, passive-aggressive, manic-depressive fellow. he repeats words and phrases dozens of times, he is a complete germ-a-phobe, and despite the fact he is probably one of the most intelligent people on the planet and he knows this, he has a very odd love-hate relationship with himself and is near suicidal. I would make him someone who almost WANTS to be caught and killed by Batman as he sees it as very worthy way to go and thats why he leaves the riddles.

Tony Shaloub for Riddler!

 

[twt]

Ledger Joker? Serial killer? Predictable and boring. Why do you want to repeat the formula. It's better if he is a federal agent who gets obssesed with catching the Batman and goes rogue on it, setting complicated traps that are more dangerous each time, and leaving clues as a fake criminal called the Riddler to make him fall on them. A man obssesed about the power of the mind and who maybe has repeated talks with Johnatan Crane to discuss ideas about how to get inside the mind of the Bat and lure him into a trap.

But not a serial killer just for the sake of it?
Why? What would be his message?
It's not about the killings, it's about sending a message. Every single villain Nolan has presented us with had an idea behind him, even Scarecrow and Falcone. Your Riddler doesn't seem to have any.

You want a compelling villain, and with Riddler is very easy to make him look pathetic, not compelling.

That's an interesting idea, the agent thing. I wanna see Scarecrow again too but the two of them having talks reminds me too much of Agent Starling and Hannibal Lecter. What if the agent was an FBI profiler? He might not need Scarecrow then but oh, I do want to see him again. How would that work without sounding obviously like Silence of the Lambs? Maybe this Riddler's message could be obsession. Please no Calvin Klein jokes....

 

[ThePoisonPuppet]

Well, you were NOT kidding when you said "exaggerate".
That would be another travesty to the character. Riddler is all about arrogance and intellectual prepotency, not about lack of self-esteem.
Besides, what would a villain like that ADD to the Batman character and its world? You want him to be an obstacle for the batman, because at the end of the day these movies are about Batman... the villains are not the main characters. Nolan is not Burton, thank God.

The Riddler could very much be about a lack of self-esteem and still be true to the character if the reason he seems to have such an inflated ego is because he is so unsure of himself when he is using his real identity. In this version the Riddler I am describing, his super villain identity is his way to
cope with being what he himself sees as a weak person, yet his inability to lie (about his true nature to some extent) due to his various psychological disorders is what causes him to leave riddles.

And again I state, he would have a very complex love-hate relationship with himself. He does think he is very smart and surely deserving of something better, but his social awkwardness constantly forces him to doubt himself as a person in private. If you look at Bi-Polarism, a very unfortunate disorder, A lot of the time it does manifest itself in this way. I think the Riddler with a problem like this has a lot of potential.

What I think it adds is a someone who has the potential to be dangerous (like the Joker, the kind of villain with nothing to lose) but is just as unique and unpredictable and in many ways still the opposite of the Joker.

I also really like Melkey's idea for the Riddler, especially about him using the persona to lure Batman out. If you wanted to give him talks with someone about catching Batman, someone a bit more grounded who would make a nice foil to him would be introducing the character of Jason Bard.

Oh and to Hopeful. Welcome to the boards. I really enjoyed your plot summary and I think with a little work has potential to be really good.

 

[Pyro Man]

I think most people have agreed that the next logical step is to have the freaks taking over the mob, so with that in mind:

Primary villains:

Black Mask: He could pretty much just be a villain that wears a black mask and is the head of a mob family. Find a nice way to write in his history with Bruce and walah. I feel he's a character that could be done different enough from Joker and be really great. I'm partially borrowing from what someone else said Riddler could be so forgive me for this. Basically he'd be all about wanting to control Gotham's underworld where as the Joker was all about chaos. Basically a villain in an entirely different direction. Don't know who I'd cast. But if this character is done right he would be a well remembered Batman movie character and finally take his place along side all the other famous rogues.

Ventriloquist: Basically have him in control of another faction of the mob and be at war with Black Mask.

Secondary villains:

Penguin: Simple, have him be somebody that sells arms and whatnot to all the mobsters in Gotham and he's called Penguin behind his back. Not too major a role but I was thinking maybe Bob Hoskins. I don't know why put Phillip Seymour Hoffman never really seemed right for this role. Especially since it wouldn't be a very big one. There'd also be a scene late in the film where Batman comes to him demanding information.

Hugo Strange: He's a villain that's been around longer than Joker, Two-Face or Catwoman and he's never received any real recognition. Have him as a psychologist brought in to sort of study the Batman and help bring him in and he becomes obsessed. Have him find out Bruce's identity eventually. I'd also have him be Bruce's psychologist and I feel like this would bring an interesting psychological element of him battling Bruce and Batman both psychologically. I think these could be some really great scenes. Not sure who I'd cast. Maybe John Malkovich or maybe somebody less famous I'm not thinking of.

Reese: Have no idea how but they'll work him in somehow whether it be as a cameo or a major role. Maybe he'd be somebody Hugo Strange or Gordon interviews.

Minor villains (almost cameos):

Deadshot: I think it would be cool to have him appear in an opening action sequence fighting Batman. Kinda like Scarecrow's appearance in TDK. If not that then have him be a main henchman for one of the two main villains.

You could have any number of lesser known villains show up as henchmen of Black Mask or the Ventriloquist.

Of course there would be the obligatory Scarecrow appearance but perhaps it could have a tad more bearing on the plot.

Well those are my ideas. I think Nolan could balance all those characters and make fans happy and make a great movie. Best of all other than Penguin none of these villains have appeared on the big screen before.

 

[Nepenthes]

Poor idea, forced upon the viewer. What's up with you, people?! LEDGER WAS THE JOKER. At least THAT PARTICULAR Joker. You CAN'T RECAST IT... IT'S WRONG.

Stop living in the past and omce up with some good ides to make other villains justice. They deserve it.

ha ha looks like you went on a bit of a rant last night child, hacking into people like a lecturer on the subject of creativity or something. Sorry but I've yet to see anything worthwhile come from yourself and you seem to have missed the entire point of a few peoples posts as well. You're also using subjective logic. For instance you use capitals on me to point out your view that Joker should not be recast, which is trivial, because I was offering a view on how the Joker IN ARKHAM should be used if the location is gonna be used at all, hypothetically. So the subject is Arkham, not the Joker, so critique that. "What is up with us people" is we're simply of a different idea than you, probably because we're more intelligent and less arrogant than you.

 

[ThePoisonPuppet]

Lets keep this civil. Its very doubtful any of our ideas will actually make it into a movie and most of the things people write in here I think are more along the lines of brainstorming then anything they are adamant about. Pointing out major holes in someone's thoughts in a respectful way is fine but this is still really nothing more then just throwing out some possibilities for fun. I mean to be honest this isn't much more then a little game we are playing....